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yeah dude youre all forgetting about the red star
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I don't quite get why everyone even wants a G1-G2 connection. G2 was really bad story-wise and I can't conceive of what G1 would have to benefit from being connected to G2. G2 would be more interesting from a connection but in the process would create a whole slew of continuity problems for both generations.
I wish G2 were better too but connecting it to G1 wouldn't really make it better. It would make it more significant, but not particularly more entertaining or meaningful. It would just invite fruitless debate about how it even fits into the canon. Even those debates would never be satisfying considering I doubt the story-tellers would have put that much thought in the connection if they had gone that route. G1 already has enough problems with its own canon, I have no desire to see it further confused.
i mean youre right honestly
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There were story contests that had winners declared but Greg never was able to canonize them, so they're not on BS01. Where can they be found?
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I think Bionicle should do what power rangers did by creating a more mature movie for older fans while keeping a kid friendly show for the kids.
I actually had plans to create a topic on this idea and probably will create it sometime this week.
aah i hate that fad of r-rated kid's show reboots it's so trashy
I don't know what Bionicle would stand to gain from that, it was aimed at kids but it never felt censored or anything, it had moments that were as dark and mature as it could ever need to be.
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I loved Voyage of Fear as a kid, I thought it was underrated. I thought Mavrah was misunderstood, and I was sad when he died, and then I was super happy when he got brought back in Bionicle's unresolved cliffhanger. I haven't read it in a long time though.
Tales of the Masks, Maze of Shadows, Time Trap, Legacy of Evil, Inferno, and City of the Lost are some other ones I remember really liking. I haven't read any Bionicle books in a really long time, I should go back and refresh my memory.
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Hmm, I distinctly remember Greg saying Velika can’t become a Toa. Time for some digging.
Edit: https://greg.thegreatarchives.com/2013-2017/page898
In the second post here, he says that Velika can’t become a Toa, but he doesn’t explain why. Time for more digging.
Later down on that page he does say that Matoran are predestined to become Toa via predetermined programming, and since Velika's conciousness isnt a true Matoran AI he couldnt have that destiny.
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I've thought about this too, but I had no idea Greg said Velika couldn't become a Toa.
maybe Velika being a different person in the Kingdom universe than he was in the main one somehow affected the 2006-07 arc and caused Matoro to hesitate?
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The thing about the Vahi (in G1) is that the other two Legendary Masks, the Mask of Life and the Mask of Creation, were created by the Great Beings at the dawn of the Matoran Universe, but the Mask of Time was created 99,000 years after the fact. The Legendary Masks are tied to fundemental aspects of reality, so what I had always figured is that part of the nature of the Vahi, as part of the Great Beings' design, was that it didn't exist yet, but it would one day be created in the future, because it's the Mask of Time.Except that the G1 Vahi was totally created from scratch, not from modifying an already existing mask.
Exactly. Or more specifically that he created the planet that Okoto is on, and sent the Toa to it, which would be why the G2 Toa fall from the stars and return to them at the end of Journey to One.So maybe the Golden-Skinned Being created Okoto because someone "wished" for it, is that another idea you're getting at?
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Well, I would go with G2 being another universe because that’s how reboots happen. I mean, look at the Spider-Man movies TV shows and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles TV shows and movies, for example. They’re like that, though I wish the Spider-Man shows could make crossovers to the others, like the TMNT ones.
Yeah, I mean obviously that's what the creators of G2 were doing. I'm just saying, if you wanted to connect them, these ways make the most sense to me.
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I thought the Toa Mata put the masks they collected on their Suvas and that they kept teleporting their masks back and forth to and from the Suvas, but regular Toa in the Matoran Universe didn't have Suvas and stuck to one mask. Could be wrong though.
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Not necessarily that he is Velika, just that his Mask of Control is Velika's Komau, transformed somehow. It's just an idea, like, if the story were to ever be continued whoever was writing it could link those two plot points, if they were concerned with that.I never really followed the G2 story (I’ll have to put that on my to-do list) but I always had the idea that either:
A) Okoto was an island on Spherus Magna really, really far into the future and that the Masters were either the Toa Nuva transformed and given amnesia (again!) or simply named after them.
Or B) The G2 reality was a really different alternate universe/pocket dimension, and any connection to G1 would be through the Olmak (either the one inside Vezon or one from yet another alternate universe).
Oh, and are you proposing that G2 Makuta is really Velika?
And having G2 be an alternate universe, thats also an idea a lot of people say, but the thing is alternate universes were always timelines that branched off of the main continuity, where different decisions were made that led to different outcomes, not just other realities where the whole thing was different for no reason, so I personally never liked that idea
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I guess that makes sense considering destinies are “pre-programmed” into a being’s mind. So they were less “Vakama is literally seeing the future” and more “Vakama is receiving hints as to what is supposed to happen.
My theory would be that it had something to do with the fact that he was destined to create the Mask of Time.
I remember. But why were they prophetic visions and not random nonsense?
That question was already answered, in the worst possible way. To quote Greg, they were "a glitch."- Where do Vakama's visions come from? Why do they always come true?
...but why did he keep having visions after becoming a Turaga? On that note, were his visions made up by the screenwriters rather than the proper story team? That’s the same way we got the Mask of Illusion=literal shapeshifting nonsense.
I guess the condition is permanent.
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The G1 story completed.
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People have done a ton of G1-G2 continuation theories, when they get really specific it just ends up being fanfiction; I have some ideas about potential plotpoints that could be used to connect the two if BIONICLE were ever to be revived again (unlikely I know, but we can imagine) that I haven't heard from anybody else, so I'm gonna put them out there:
1) The big one. Many people have speculated about Okoto being on Spherus Magna in the future. But with the description of the G2 Mask of Time, which was definitely the single solitary thing in G2 that was actually intended to be a G1 connection, it's said that the mask is "older than the world of Okoto and the stars in its sky", and I doubt the top half of the Vahi existed throughout G1 and we just didn't know about it. Plus the Temple of Time was said to be a bridge to other worlds, so it's clear that G2 is meant to take place on/in a different world than G1. But one thing that everybody I've seen theorize on connections overlooks, that really makes this very easy, is the Golden-Skinned Being. He was clearly being set up for a major role in the contimuing story before it was cut short, and he had incredible power. In Sahmad's Tale, he creates a world far away from Spherus Magna full of beings like Annona, and then sends her to it. So we know he has the power to create distant planets, determine what's on them, and teleport people from Spherus Magna to them. Given the metaphysical descriptions of the formation of Okoto, and the fact that the Toa fell to Okoto from the stars, I think that's something to keep in mind.
2) The G2 Toa have no elemental powers; their power comes from their masks. In The Yesterday Quest, Kabura, who also was clearly being set up for a major role, had a launcher that could deactivate a Toa's elemental powers that was given to him by Velika, who was being groomed as the new main antagonist. Plus we know that there is a Kanohi mask for each element, but of the we've only seen the Avohkii, Kraahkan, and Garai. Maybe the Toa Nuva got their elemental powers deactivated and then get new masks corresponding to the Spherus Magna elements (for whatever reason) to compensate?
3) There was a big party of characters that Velika tried to kill in the Great Being fortress that escaped; of the group, the two most powerful were Artakha, bearer of the Mask of Creation, and Miserix, the last of the Makuta. These two could have some connection to G2's Ekimu and Makuta, though I'd stop short of saying they're the same characters.
4) Biggest longshot - Velika wears a powerless Komau, the Mask of Mind Control. Maybe he picked out that mask because he had some kind of Great Being trick up his sleeve to use that mask power to aid in his world domination schemes? And then you could connect that to G2's Mask of Control. Somehow.
What do you guys think of these ideas?
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when the toa ascend to the stars at the end they go back to G1
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- Where do Vakama's visions come from? Why do they always come true?
That question was already answered, in the worst possible way. To quote Greg, they were "a glitch."
I remember. But why were they prophetic visions and not random nonsense?
My theory would be that it had something to do with the fact that he was destined to create the Mask of Time.
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my headcanon is that Krakua's mask is shaped like a Hau because he's a member of the Order of Mata Nui and the Hau is a symbol of Mata Nui
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Ever since the new BIONICLE was announced, I've mostly ignored it, as I thought it was an insult to G1 to reboot a story that had been worked on so hard. However, now it seems to be that some kind of canon connection was being established between the two generations, with the Mask of Time.
Here's what I've gathered:
-The Mask of Time is called "Vahi", making it the only G2 mask with a name
-It is the top part of two halves, suggesting that the G1 mask that Vakama made is the bottom half
-It is said to be older than the stars above Okoto, suggesting that the stars are artificial
So, I haven't been following the story at all, but, having stumbled upon this, I now want to know as much as I can, so can anyone explain to me what's going on and how likely it is that some sort of connection exists?
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Piracy discussion removed. -Tufi
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Kotu, Jovan, Vastus, Tarix, Kirbraz, and Scodonius had barely any role whatsoever, so much so that nobody has mentioned them yet.
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Mavrah. I always loved that character, ever since he was first introduced. I was really sad when he died, and my mind was blown when he returned. It's a real shame that that cliffhanger was never resolved.
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G3 could work now?
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