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  1. I also think the island of Mata Nui was original going to be Bohrokked, and Mata Nui himself would have awakened and stood up... However this would have been a midway point, and the rest of the story would have been restoring the “paradise.” (But in 2004, “paradise” was unsubtlely shifted from Mata Nui to Metru Nui, and then finally to Spherus Magna in 2009.) Elements of this can be seen in the last panels of the final comic, when Mata Nui turns Bara Magna into a planet with many biomed like the island of Mata Nui. So in the final story, there ended up being a much more complete restoration of the universe than was intended from the beginning. Spherus Magna was always a concept, but the original ending, it seems, had a more pessimistic modern sci-fi thing going on, where the Great Beings restarted their civilization on Mata Nui, whereas in the 2010 ending, it drew from the Christian apocalyptic imagery of a new earth that restores/replaces the old broken one.
  2. This is a great point. It proves that Bionicle was NOT as all planned out as they made it sound in 2010. In the early years, even in MOL, Mata Nui island is called paradise. Hahli even says something like “we’re blessed that Mata Nui gave us the best home ever” (this line belongs an earlier lore, perhaps from the beginning of the movie’s creation). Doesn’t seem like its getting Bohrokked and broken by a face was to be considered a happy thing or even a necessary evil. Then we moved to Metru Nui, which now was billed as the new homeworld for the Matoran. Having them leave Metru was definitely not intended back in 2006, but by 2009 we abandoned it too.
  3. I can read Latin fairly well, and Japanese with the help of a dictionary. You should drop your prejudice toward Latin. Just because it is old and no longer spoken as a mother tongue does not make it unworthy of study. A very high density of the records of western civilization is recorded in Latin, as well as much of our classical poetry, to say nothing of its religious primacy. And the Bible was not originally written in Latin. Latin won’t get you a girlfriend, but it can be used for much nobler causes than that. Or maybe it could get you a really cool girlfriend!
  4. He said the Latin alphabet, not the Latin language. What's with your aversion to the Latin language, by the way?
  5. That Tohunga appears to be Jala when you first load the game, but if you reload, it’s someone else. I don’t think it’s supposed to be Jala. Why would Jala be there? Later in the game he acts like he does not really know Takua. The “training” section of the game might contain some non-canon elements, namely the diversity of Tohunga present on a beach of Onu-Wahi. There’s no clear reason why Tohunga from every village are there, besides as a sort of demo.
  6. Unfortunately BS01 can be wrong, which is a doom they brought upon themselves by not requiring extensive citations from the beginning. Besides this, the wiki is built on the the premise that there is one true canon for Bionicle, and that everything can be documented as though there were no contradictions. That’s very wishful thinking! If there’s nothing in that one comic about Iruini quitting, then you can assume it’s fake news. It’s a shame how easy it is for fake stuff like this to be propagated everywhere. BS01 is overdue for a complete rewrite, and a complete change in philosophy. It reads like an in-universe history textbook (or worse, a reference for fanficcers) but this is silly, because Bionicle’s canon is full of errors, contradictions, and retcons which ought to be documented extensively instead of relegated to “trivia” (a subsection that serious wikis phased out over ten years ago).
  7. I don’t think that’s “canon” per se. The story of Bionicle is presented in English for our convenience, but I don’t think in-universe they’re actually speaking English, or that Latin letters would exist.
  8. Wasn’t Krakua time travel? Krakua/Time Trap was like everyone’s top favorite piece of content back in 07 and 08 and we kept waiting for him to show up in the present. He kind of showed up in a serial but I don’t recall that his warning from the future was ever explored. And for that reason, it does not make sense.
  9. That's a very interesting theory. But I doubt it, since it would only apply to 2006-2008, and in each case it doesn't really seem to apply. The Nuva were obviously powerups of the Mata, and the Hordika were obviously "powerups" of the Metru, and the 2009 toys have some radical differences. So only 2006-2008 are relevant. During '04 and '05 they were certainly planning out how the story would pick back up in the present. There were going to be six new Toa toys which would have to be given the focus for each story year to come: that was a given. They had the option to use the Toa Nuva again, or to use some other characters. I don't think introducing totally new characters for Toa was ever really on the table. I heard that bringing the Nuva bring in '06 was on the table, as was waiting even longer (until like '09) to bring them back. For whatever reason they decided to make Jaller and co. the new Toa. What I suspect happened with the Inika is that the set designers knew full well what characters they were working on, but they just made the decision to not recycle Kanohi, and not to incorporate the oddball colors found on these characters' old sets. I'm partial to the Inika line, by the way. The Mahri are still obviously meant to be the same as the Inika. The '08 Nuva's Kanohi are similar to the Mata Kanohi, and this seems to have been intentional.
  10. Those are some insane bionicle brains
  11. Oh, that's perfect! Thank you. It was actually your project that made me want to finish mine, which is basically identical to yours, but I had a few minor nitpicks, heh, mostly in 2001. The main one being that you cut out Lewa getting his golden Kanohi at the Suva in MNOG. I understand why you did it, but in my version I haven't ruled on questions of canon, so contradictory accounts both get put in, including stuff like the golden masks, Tohunga, and Papu and Rangi. Since I'm the only one who would read it, it doesn't really need an explanation!
  12. A while ago (seven years ago actually) I made the thing in my signature. Since then, there are several groups who have gone above and beyond my simple listing and have actually made all the material available for free for download. (2013 BZPower would not have tolerated linking to whole copies of the copyrighted novels for free, heh). Recently I donated my copies of the novels because I assumed if I ever wanted to read them again I could probably just find them on the internet (correct). However, for whatever reason, when I did the project that is in my signature, I used page number instead of chapter numbers. I'm putting together a personal version of what the people at Wall of History and Biological Chronicle have put together, but lacking physical copies of the novels, I would have to guess at the location of the page numbers throughout the paper copies. This is only really a problem for 2007 and 2008's novels, which my old guide says to split up very frequently to splice in those years' expansive multimedia content. I remember it took a lot of work to work out the divisions in the text way back then, and I could easily avoid doing it again with a little help from people with paper copies. I would like the following page divisions to be identified by their chapters. It may be that I split some parts within a chapter, in which case please say so. Legends 6: p1-36, p37-64, p65-78, p78-87, p88-122 Legends 7: p1-112, p113-122 Legends 8: p1-10, p10-18, p19-50, p50-83, p84-110, p111-120 Legends 9: p1-8, p9-47, p48-61, p62-125 Legends 10: nothing Legends 11: p1-29, p30-33, p34-39, p40-61, p62-73, p73-117, p118-124
  13. Material from 2001 to 2003, even MoL, consistently called the island of Mata-Nui “paradise.” In the original plan there were only like 75 Tohunga in existence, and this is evident in pre-MoL material. It would be an absurdity to have 75 persons inhabit and operate a complex City like Metru-Nui so it follows that the original conception for Metru-Nui was not that of a Matoran homeworld. Internal concept art from Faber shows that it was more like an underworld or Limbo. Not a nice place. Mata-Nui was the nice place. Lego changed their mind about various things in order to carry out the “not the first Toa” retcon. However, this very awkwardly forced them to dump the island of Mata Nui, even though they had been selling it as an island paradise in every piece of media for three years. What they should have done is let the Bohrok and the Rahkshi actually start trashing the island and making it near uninhabitable, that way Metru-Nui would become a necessary refuge.
  14. It’s been a while but the first two legends novels are about the Nuva getting beaten by the Piraka and then Jaller and co. + Takanuva trying to go get them. Honestly the Nuva part isn’t that great, but the latter part is.
  15. Hahli, Jala, and Huki would reprise from MoL. Hahli and Jala would need to adjust their voices to sound older. Everything that happens pre-Inika was quite a departure from the formula, and it was good.I wonder, if they had made another Miramax movie, they should have covered only the first half of 2006 minus the Voyatoran who are filler. It would play very much like a sequel to MoL because it would heavily feature the Nuva, Taka, Jala, and Hahli; Matoran on a quest, Toa mostly fail.
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