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A recent quote from Greg on the "Chat with Greg Farshtey" thread has caused something of a stir. In the quote, Greg says, "I don't really believe in redeeming characters, Orion. I believe a good villain is a villain for a reason, and they are not just going to suddenly turn good. They may do good things, but it will be out of their own self-interest, not because they have suddenly become virtuous." This discussion is already starting to fill up the Official Greg Compendium, but there are a lot of interesting things to say about it, so I think we should move it over here into its own topic. The most obvious point of discussion would be, is Greg right? Are redemption stories inherently "unrealistic", or do people have the potential for drastic change? I disagree. I don't think anyone is too far gone for a moral epiphany. It takes a serious push to change a person's outlook, even by a small degree, but it's still possible. I know this just from my (comparatively short) experience. I've made slow but steady progress over the past four years, but it took a near-fatal tragedy to spur my development of empathy and emotional bonds with my friends. Enough about me. The point I'm interested in discussing is one raised by the person who asked Greg this ill-fated question: what would it take to redeem some of BIONICLE's villains? The OP cited the Barraki and Makuta Miserix as potential candidates for redemption, but I'm interested in hearing about any and all villains' possibilities. What would it take to redeem Ahkmou? Vezok? And if anyone's really ambitious: what would it take to redeem Makuta Teridax? Both of the above discussion points, and any additional ones related to the subject, are welcome here. I think this is a very interesting discussion to have.