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I'm sure that someone has probably picked up on this already, but the fact that the Masks of Creation, Control, and Ultimate Power have little pedestals dedicated to them sparked my interest. Why do they have pedestals? Who built them? I have a theory.

 

The Protectors Hid Them Away

 

The Protectors are obviously Turaga figures in the Generation 2 story, and they seem like the kinds of elders that know pretty much everything. So, I propose that the Protectors found two masks in Ekimu and Makuta's abandoned forge, and found Ekimu's body and the Mask of Ultimate Power nearby. They later kept their location secret to protect the villagers. If the Protectors are so loyal to the Prophecy of Heroes (which details the threat of the Skull Spiders), they would have hidden the immensely powerful masks away from anyone who isn't a destined hero. I have potential evidence from the Prophecy of Heroes story episode:

 

"On the mythical island of Okoto, ancient masks were hidden away, for only the strongest to find and claim."

 

Notice how the sentence states that the masks were hidden away, not lost. Another thing of note would be that only the strongest are to claim them, which is definitely referring to the Toa. The Turaga of G1 even did this. They scattered the Toa Stones all over the island of Mata Nui for Takua to find and summon the Toa with. 

 

Let me know what you think of this. Sure, this isn't groundbreaking news, but it's a little something.

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Of course, locking away the nuclear waste after a reactor meltdown is smart, but I doubt that the MoUP and MoCr were that easy to find, considering they were at the center of a blast that shook the entire island and reshaped the coastline. The Masks were probably flung miles away, so the Protectors didn't need to hide them so much as make their locations more secure. Solid theory, though.


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I liken his theory I've generally thought of this as them finding old shrines in decrepit temples (like if a person found a sarcophagus in Egypt or something), but this theory holds true, and would be a good throwback to the Turaga.

 

That, or they just won't admit to losing them :P "Um.... Yes, the masks, were, uh... Hidden! Yeah, that sounds good, hidden away"

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This sounds like it makes sense to me. The Protectors probably created the shrines to keep the masks safe, unaware that those sanctuaries would not remain safe from the oncoming horde of Skull Spiders.


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I want to agree that the Protectors hid them away. They are clearly leading the Toa to them.

Unfortunately, that doesn't rule out the idea that they were lost/scattered. The Protectors could have found a few of the masks over the time since the scattering/loss and reserved those for the Toa, keeping Skull Spiders and greedy villagers away. 

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How about the fact that the lost masks have pedestals? How did the pedestals get there? If the masks were truly lost, then someone had to have found them in order to make the pedestals. I sure hope that was just for promotional ads, but if that is not the case, then there will be major plot holes.

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Ok, so where are these pedestals you keep talking about? If you are referring to the displays of the 3 masks together in one of the clips? One could call that artistic license or maybe a future scene where the masks are in fact found. Or it could be what it is, a depiction of all three masks together for the sake of showing all 3 masks together... Nothing more, nothing less.


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I'm trying to figure out where people are getting the term "lost". In the videos, it states that they were skattered and hidden away. It doesn't imply how they were skattered, so we can assume by visual cues that they were placed on these hidden structures and the Protectors are actings as guides for the Toa via memory.

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How about the fact that the lost masks have pedestals? How did the pedestals get there? If the masks were truly lost, then someone had to have found them in order to make the pedestals. I sure hope that was just for promotional ads, but if that is not the case, then there will be major plot holes.

I agree. It makes sense that in the thousands of years after the MoUP disaster, the villagers should have managed to find three scattered masks lying around the island on which they live.

Since the Protectors know that the masks are sought after by evil forces, they would want to hide them somewhere harder to find than wherever the original explosion threw them. (They certainly wouldn't want to keep them in or near the villages, attracting Skull Spiders and other nasties... ;))


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You see, the masks flew across the island and conveniently landed on some random pedestals scattered across the island. Pretty self-explanatory, I think.

 

Seriously though, it probably was just for plot convenience.

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Well I can see this being true to an extent. I mean how long had the Protectors been searching for said masks? I mean we know or otherwise believe that Makuta's Mask was perhaps on his person as he was instead wearing the MoUP. That in turn got forcibly removed by Ekimu. Though who said it wasn't cast into the sea when this happened? I mean if the explosion in the Stone area is any inkling the mask could have been cast out to sea? Anyway, the current Protectors are not necessarily the same ones who found Ekimu and learned of the Toa as described in the myth. First there are other Protectors than the single ones we have sets of. I believe it mentions multiple Earth Protectors in that Magazine posted somewhere in site. Anyway Due to the Legend being past down from generation to generation it could be believed the exact location could have been lost to the myth. So while it is possible the current Protectors have an idea where the Toa Masks of Power are located, they did not have their exact locations. Thus why it took weeks to retrieve.

 

The Original Protectors could have hidden both the Toa Masks and the 3 legendary ones. Who knows....


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Makes sense that the Protectors would hide the Masks for the strongest (The Toa) to find. But what doesn't resonate with me is the practicality of it. Why would they bury Ekimu without his original Mask if they knew where the mask was the whole time? Why wouldn't they try destroying the Mask of Ultimate Power if it really is that evil? I feel like the Masks were indeed scattered and if they were hidden, it wasn't by the Protectors.

 

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While I don't know about the Mask of Creation and Makuta could have possession of his Mask of control, the Mask of UP may be too powerful to destroy. At least by the Protectors it seems. So in order to keep the mask(s) out of the wrong hands they hid them in different corners of the Island.


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How about the fact that the lost masks have pedestals? How did the pedestals get there? If the masks were truly lost, then someone had to have found them in order to make the pedestals. I sure hope that was just for promotional ads, but if that is not the case, then there will be major plot holes.

I agree. It makes sense that in the thousands of years after the MoUP disaster, the villagers should have managed to find three scattered masks lying around the island on which they live.

I think you've mixed G1 into the G2 story again, Xelf. Nowhere has it been said how long the time was between the Duel of the Mask Makers and the Toa being summoned. Was likely much less than a thousand years, given that the protectors are confirmed to be organic and would therefore not have ridiculously long lives. Edited by Regitnui

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On one hand I'd like the Masks to be on shrines because someone placed them there / built shrines 'around' them, but I kinda like the idea that it could have been someone(s) else we haven't encountered yet... (but with a better [delivered] explanation than Artakha/OoMN etc, though that sorta thing could work methinks)

 

If the Protectors did hide them then I'm curious to see if they take the deceptive-to-the-Toa line again... (leaning towards hoping not)

 

 

 

given that the protectors are confirmed to be organic and would therefore not have ridiculously long lives.

 

 

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While I don't know about the Mask of Creation and Makuta could have possession of his Mask of control, the Mask of UP may be too powerful to destroy. At least by the Protectors it seems. So in order to keep the mask(s) out of the wrong hands they hid them in different corners of the Island.

 

Yeah, the Mask of Ultimate Power would be very hard to destroy, since it's... y'know, powerful. The Mask of Creation's hiding place being the jungle wouldn't be too bad, as the jungle around it looks denser than what we've seen from the Region of Jungle so far. The Mask of Ultimate Power is probably hidden under a volcano that's above a maze that's above a tomb. 


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How about the fact that the lost masks have pedestals? How did the pedestals get there? If the masks were truly lost, then someone had to have found them in order to make the pedestals. I sure hope that was just for promotional ads, but if that is not the case, then there will be major plot holes.

I agree. It makes sense that in the thousands of years after the MoUP disaster, the villagers should have managed to find three scattered masks lying around the island on which they live.
I think you've mixed G1 into the G2 story again, Xelf. Nowhere has it been said how long the time was between the Duel of the Mask Makers and the Toa being summoned. Was likely much less than a thousand years, given that the protectors are confirmed to be organic and would therefore not have ridiculously long lives.
Nope, you mustn't have read the LEGO Club BIONICLE insert.

On page 2, it starts "Many thousands of years ago..." and then recounts the legend of Ekimu and Makuta.

On page 3 it continues "Now..." and talks of the arrival of the Toa.

 

So the Protectors have had plenty of time to find the masks and hide them.

RE: The Protectors' age, I think it is implied that the Protectors that summoned the Toa are descendants of the ones who heard the Prophesy from Ekimu. They just look the same because the masks and weapons are passed down the generations.

 

To whoever suggested it, they wouldn't want to bury Ekimu with the MoCr because that location probably wasn't very secret and they didn't want people digging up Ekimu to get his mask. Also, they probably weren't powerful enough to destroy the MoUP, and even if they were, destroying powerful masks may have negative consequences (like in G1). Therefore they hide the masks away from the villages, so that the evil forces seeking them have no reason to attack the villagers.

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See this is what I am thinking. We know several generations have passed while not knowing exactly how long a Protector/villager general lifespan is. Even being Organic they could have an infinite lifespan only dying when either they are killed in battle or willingly pass on. Like a right of passage type deal where when they give their mask to the next generation. Effectively ending their life and dying.

 

So it is quite plausible and safe to say the Protectors that summoned the Toa and the ones that found Ekimu and possibly Makuta (as the myth claims both brothers fell into a lifeless sleep), are not the same individuals. So the exact location may have been lost or misplaced over the generations that have passed since these two events. Still it is agreed that to prevent any common villager to seek the power for themselves as we all know absolute power corrupts absolutely. The Protectors hid away the most powerful masks in hopes they would not fall into the wrong hands. So some event has caused the current Protectors to feel they needed some more help and looked to the Prophecy of Heroes to where they cast the Ritual to summon the Toa to their aid. Now we believe this threat is the LoSS and the encroaching army of Skull spiders, though maybe that is not the whole truth. Maybe the Protectors knew about where Ekimu is buried and learned of this Skull army and knew they needed help to save their precious Ekimu...

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What I was saying before may have come out wrong. I'm saying that if the masks of creation, control, and ultimate power have pedestals, then how did they get there. Someone had to build them!

Of course, if the masks are awaiting to be claimed, then why didn't that person just take the masks and run!? Why build stands for them and leave the power just laying there!?

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We don't know the true scope of the story just yet, but if Gen1 is any indication there is much more at stake than just the island of Okoto, while at the same time Okoto is a crucial place in the grand scheme. I'd like to think there is some secret force on the island, similar to the OOMN, responsible for sublty guiding history by building the pedestals, hiding away the masks, maybe even sending the Toa, because of how crucial the island is for the whole [planet? giant robot? universe?].

 

However, this is probably just wistful thinking. The story has been simplified significantly, and any grand twist like that might just be too much to hope for.

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