Can Toa of Plasma Control Lightning and Other Things?

[Arzaki]

Well, something many science teachers neglected to mention was that there are 4 states of matter. That fourth one is plasma, as you may know, which is basically super-heated gas. Lightning is plasma, and despite you being told the sun is a ball of gas, it's actually a ball of plasma. If our sun is made of plasma, that means every other star is plasma, right? Which means there's quite a bit of plasma in the universe.

 

Can Toa of Plasma control the universe itself? Are they more powerful than the bearer of the Mask of Creation? Are they the ultimate and superior Toa? Do they have a terrible color scheme?

 

Thoughts?

[Naota Takizawa]

Most likely not, the elements tend to function by behavior and not use real world physics, otherwise we'd have toa like Gali controlling ice or Kopaka creating water because they are technically controlling the same thing.

[Mailli]

Yes, plasma is gas heated to the extent which it no longer acts as a gas, and is therefore a new state of matter.

Lightning is NOT plasma, it is a discharge of electricity that has the potential to heat up the air to the extent which it becomes plasma.

Yes, stars are made of plasma, but they are so massive, I doubt any number of Su-Toa would be able to control a star. Even if they could, most of the universe (by volume) is vacuum, so a Toa of plasma would not be able to "control" the universe.

BS01 says plasma is represented by orange and white, which I think is pretty cool as long as you have some dark grey in there.

Otherwise, plasma is one of the cooler (as in hotter) elements.

[Xeo]

I doubt they could control the universe. Even if they weren't inside a giant robot, like after arriving at Spherus Magna, I think the sun, and any star, would be too far away. He might be able to draw power from the sun slightly, but I doubt it would do much.
And no, he couldn't control lightning. At least, I don't believe he would. We already have a Toa of Lightning/Electricity. And just like the Toa of Water can't control ice, and vice versa, I don't think a plasma Toa could control lightning.

[Petewa]

Well, something many science teachers neglected to mention was that there are 4 states of matter. That fourth one is plasma, as you may know, which is basically super-heated gas. Lightning is plasma, and despite you being told the sun is a ball of gas, it's actually a ball of plasma. If our sun is made of plasma, that means every other star is plasma, right? Which means there's quite a bit of plasma in the universe.

 

Can Toa of Plasma control the universe itself? Are they more powerful than the bearer of the Mask of Creation? Are they the ultimate and superior Toa? Do they have a terrible color scheme?

 

Thoughts?

Fire is also plasma.

 

They do have a terrible colour scheme.

 

I guess if they were that powerful, it would explain their rarity.

[Votuko]

Well, something many science teachers neglected to mention was that there are 4 states of matter.

There are far more states of matter than four, but that is something that forum members often neglect to mention.

 

I'd imagine that a Toa of Plasma wouldn't be able to get close enough to a star for its plasma to come into range of control before they melted from the star's heat. Even if they could, they would only be able to control a small portion of it at a time.

 

Creation is still better than a Toa of Plasma, because you can use it to create two Toa of Plasma.

[Makuta Luroka]

Just gonna throw this out here:

 

 

the flame of a combustion reaction is, technically, composed of plasma.

[Unit#phntk#1]

I was reading through the Chat with Greg topic yesterday and someone asked him specifically if Plasma could control Lightning, and he said no. It was buried somewhere in the middle of the topic though, so I can't really provide a source on it. :/

 

 

~Unit#phntk#1

[Rahkshi Lalonde]

since everyone else is covering all the obvious bases i guess i'm gonna be the one who says:

 

Plasma's colorscheme is cool (well, hot) and the orange and white is a nice set of unique colors that convey the feeling of superheated gas rather well, i'm honestly not sure what other colorscheme could do that without overstepping fire. :0

[Makuta Luroka]

since everyone else is covering all the obvious bases i guess i'm gonna be the one who says:

 

Plasma's colorscheme is cool (well, hot) and the orange and white is a nice set of unique colors that convey the feeling of superheated gas rather well, i'm honestly not sure what other colorscheme could do that without overstepping fire. :0

white and purple?

[Arzaki]

 

Well, something many science teachers neglected to mention was that there are 4 states of matter.

There are far more states of matter than four, but that is something that forum members often neglect to mention.

 

I'd imagine that a Toa of Plasma wouldn't be able to get close enough to a star for its plasma to come into range of control before they melted from the star's heat. Even if they could, they would only be able to control a small portion of it at a time.

 

Creation is still better than a Toa of Plasma, because you can use it to create two Toa of Plasma.

 

I know that there's more than 4. There's like 30 more or something like that.

 

And to everyone else, I was kidding about the color scheme thing. I actually do like the combination of orange and white.

[Petewa]

 

 since everyone else is covering all the obvious bases i guess i'm gonna be the one who says:

 

Plasma's colorscheme is cool (well, hot) and the orange and white is a nice set of unique colors that convey the feeling of superheated gas rather well, i'm honestly not sure what other colorscheme could do that without overstepping fire. :0

white and purple?

 

Orange, White, and Blue.

 

Broncos FTW!!!

[Guardian Legend]

I'm going to go with no, not because it logically makes sense, but actually because it's already happened with Toa of Stone not being able to control sand. Also, a lightning element already exists, thus adding to much overlap. 

Edited August 25, 2015 by Guardian Legend

[Cyrix]

I remember asking Greg a loooong time ago about whether Toa of Plasma could control lightning or fire and the answer was basically "No, thats not how the physics in the BIONICLE universe work." Which is a pretty typical Greg answer but it makes sense that they wouldn't be OP.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Cyrix

[Jobber]

A single Toa of Plasma would be overwhelmed if he(?) attempted to manipulate a star. It's the same reason Toa of Water can't control the entire ocean on Aqua Magna. Though, Toa of Plasma can create miniature stars and manipulate that.

 

Funny enough, Toa of Magnetism should, in theory, be about to manipulate plasma as well. 

Edited August 25, 2015 by Dunkleosteus-San

[fishers64]

Using their elemental power, no.

 

I'm not going to rule out the inventive Plasma Toa who made a machine with ten lightning rods on it to control lightning. Or other things.

[The 1st Shadow]

As I said in the Earth vs Stone debate, it's all about the behavior of the individual elements. While they are scientifically categorized that way by us, there's no reason the GB's have to follow our rules, and rather determined that Plasma would be too powerful if it included those other elements, so they split up the abilities of Plasma as a whole and put two into their own category and gave what was left to the Su-Toa.

[FallenCor]

Though, Toa of Plasma can create miniature stars and manipulate that.

 

Though if Spider-Man 2 has taught us anything, this would be a really bad idea. 8I

[Cheesy Mac n Cheese]

Toa of Lightning exist and Toa of Fire exist, so Toa of Plasma can control neither, due to rules set by the story team preventing Toa from becoming more powerful.

 

As for color scheme, according to BS01:

 

Physical attributes of Su-Matoran include orange and white armor and Kanohi.

 

This also applies to Toa and Turaga of Plasma.

[Akavakaku]

Although a Toa of Lightning and Toa of Plasma could work together to extreme effect, with the Lightning powers creating an electric current and the Plasma powers creating a superconductive channel for that current.

[The Editor]

About the colour scheme though, how many people are there who dislike it? I'm one of them. Maybe it's because I've never been able to work with the scheme (or find decent examples of it when I decide to google plasma-element people).

[Petewa]

About the colour scheme though, how many people are there who dislike it? I'm one of them. Maybe it's because I've never been able to work with the scheme (or find decent examples of it when I decide to google plasma-element people).

I dislike it.

[Arzaki]

I didn't think it looked good at first, but after MOCing a Toa of Plasma, the color scheme grew on me. Some white, orange, and trans orange actually look fairly decent.

[FallenCor]

About the colour scheme though, how many people are there who dislike it? I'm one of them. Maybe it's because I've never been able to work with the scheme (or find decent examples of it when I decide to google plasma-element people).

 

Awww, but I love our orange-cream sherbet-colored Toa! *brick'd*

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

 

About the colour scheme though, how many people are there who dislike it? I'm one of them. Maybe it's because I've never been able to work with the scheme (or find decent examples of it when I decide to google plasma-element people).

Awww, but I love our orange-cream sherbet-colored Toa! *brick'd*

 

 

Same here, it's not bad. I also think purple would look good with it (maybe a light shade).

[Roki]

I don't mind the color scheme, I feel it represents the element effectively and differentiates it from the other elements quite well.

 

 

 

- Roki

Edited September 13, 2015 by Roki

[Daughter of Irnakk]

Lightning is not plasma.
Fire is not plasma.

Fire is electrons "jumping ouf of orbit" and lightning is electrons falling, this is of course simplified. But my point is that fire and lighning are basically electric phenomenons and have nothing to do with plasma. Plasma is IONIZED GAS. So no, they wouldn't be able to do anything the other ones can do.

[Toa Imrukii]

In bionicle, Fire, Plasma, and Lightning are all different things, but IRL they are all plasmas.

[Zox Tomana]

The weakly ionized plasma we call Fire is a sustained combustion reaction. One might think of Fire Toa and other Fire Elementals as being able to control that combustion reaction at will, even willfully causing it in situations which would normally make it highly difficult (see Jaller Mahri making flame underwater), when it comes to the manifestation of flame. The plasma created is a by product of the combustion and heat these beings control.

 

Lightning is a massive discharge of electrical energy which causes the air to heat into a plasma from the sheer amount of charge being shot through it. The plasma is very short lived. Toa of Lightning don't control Lightning per se, though they can cause it to manifest. They control the electric charge behind the lightning strike.

 

Toa of Plasma simply create super-heated, ionized gas at a whim. They don't control the electrical manifestation or the heat it gives off, nor the combustion that heat/charge might cause. Huh, that makes me wonder: if a Toa creates a sufficiently ionized plasma, would that plasma accidentally give off random, non-user controllable electric arcs?

 

Oh, and all three powers will give off light, but that's as a side effect of the nature of their powers. Light itself is for Toa of Light, as you might imagine =D

[Axilus Prime]

There's no elemental overlap whatsoever with Toa powers. Just as Water is exclusively liquid water and Ice is exclusively frozen water, just as Earth is exclusively dirt and Stone is exclusively rock, Plasma has no power over typical fire, lightning, stars, or anything of the like. It's basically the stuff fired from your typical sci-fi Plasma Cannon/Rifle/Pistol/Blaster. Just that, and nothing else.

[Akavakaku]

I like to think Toa of Plasma also have power over the energy flowing through biomechanical beings' bodies, which could be a kind of cool plasma (those really exist). They could use that power to make beings more tired or more energetic.

[Makuta Luroka]

How about this: Plasma is, by definition, composed of ionized particles, which are magnetic. Wouldn't, by extension, toa of magnetism be able to control existing plasma?

[Toa Jaxus]

Okay, this is how it boils down to, again:

Fire is not plasma. It is oxidation in an exo-thermic and light giving reaction that can create small amounts of plasma, but it is not totally plasma.

Lightning is not plasma. Lightning is electricity on a massive scale that produces sound, heat and light via it's interaction with atoms in the atmosphere, some of which become plasma for several seconds.

Neither of them are plasma, but both produce it on a small scale.

[Bold Clone]

Well, something many science teachers neglected to mention was that there are 4 states of matter. That fourth one is plasma, as you may know, which is basically super-heated gas. Lightning is plasma, and despite you being told the sun is a ball of gas, it's actually a ball of plasma. If our sun is made of plasma, that means every other star is plasma, right? Which means there's quite a bit of plasma in the universe.

 

Can Toa of Plasma control the universe itself? Are they more powerful than the bearer of the Mask of Creation? Are they the ultimate and superior Toa? Do they have a terrible color scheme?

 

Thoughts?

 

Well, I doubt Toa of Plasma can actually control stars. That strikes me as a bit past their power range. Not to mention that the star would be completely inaccessible to them millions of miles away on a planet's surface.

[The Editor]

How about this: Plasma is, by definition, composed of ionized particles, which are magnetic. Wouldn't, by extension, toa of magnetism be able to control existing plasma?

 

Technically, maybe. Including the fact that plasmoids are little bits of plasma wrapped in magnetic fields, if I'm not remembering things wrong, I'm sure they would be able to.

 

... But Bionicle physics, which states that ice is a conductor of electricity, would probably nullify this.

[Arzaki]

 

How about this: Plasma is, by definition, composed of ionized particles, which are magnetic. Wouldn't, by extension, toa of magnetism be able to control existing plasma?

 

Technically, maybe. Including the fact that plasmoids are little bits of plasma wrapped in magnetic fields, if I'm not remembering things wrong, I'm sure they would be able to.

 

... But Bionicle physics, which states that ice is a conductor of electricity, would probably nullify this.

 

Couldn't impure ice theoretically be a conductor?

[The Editor]

 

 

How about this: Plasma is, by definition, composed of ionized particles, which are magnetic. Wouldn't, by extension, toa of magnetism be able to control existing plasma?

 

 

Technically, maybe. Including the fact that plasmoids are little bits of plasma wrapped in magnetic fields, if I'm not remembering things wrong, I'm sure they would be able to.

 

... But Bionicle physics, which states that ice is a conductor of electricity, would probably nullify this.

Couldn't impure ice theoretically be a conductor?

That's impure water you're thinking of. Water conducts electricity when impure because ions are present in it, and can allow electrons to flow through it (sorta). In the case of impure ice, no ions are formed because the ice is, well, solid. And salts can't really dissolve in solids to form ions.

[Arzaki]

 

 

 

How about this: Plasma is, by definition, composed of ionized particles, which are magnetic. Wouldn't, by extension, toa of magnetism be able to control existing plasma?

 

Technically, maybe. Including the fact that plasmoids are little bits of plasma wrapped in magnetic fields, if I'm not remembering things wrong, I'm sure they would be able to.

 

... But Bionicle physics, which states that ice is a conductor of electricity, would probably nullify this.

Couldn't impure ice theoretically be a conductor?

That's impure water you're thinking of. Water conducts electricity when impure because ions are present in it, and can allow electrons to flow through it (sorta). In the case of impure ice, no ions are formed because the ice is, well, solid. And salts can't really dissolve in solids to form ions.

 

Ah, that makes sense.