Wamsutta Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) Hello all! I'm going to start by saying what this topic is not: this is not a topic about who would win a brawl. As Greg has mentioned, fights are very hard to determine because of the numerous factors involved. I wanted to rank the Toa based on how much raw Toa Power they have. The people to focus on are: Helryx, Lesovikk, the six Toa Metru, the six Toa Mahri, the five Toa Nuva, Tahu with Golden Armor, Lhikan, Nidhiki, and Tuyet with the Nui Stone. You can rank teams together or as separate Toa, if necessary. So, here's my list: Tahu with Golden ArmorTuyet with Nui StoneToa NuvaHelryxToa MahriMatoroLhikanLesovikkToa MetruNidhiki Feel free to discuss your reasoning as well. Edited July 18, 2016 by Wamsutta Quote For the first time in four years ... the Bionicle story comes to a closewith the Bionicle Disunity trilogy Were you as shocked as I was upon learning the Bionicle serials "The Yesterday Quest" and "The Powers That Be" would never be finished?Did you know that Lego won't allow Greg Farshtey to complete the story because they want to focus on marketing G2? My close friend The Mad Great Being has been working tirelessly on completing the Bionicle story ... and now it is finally finished. His writing style staystrue to the integrity of the characters that we know and love. His plot ideas are something only comparable to Greg Farshtey's. Trust me, I'm hard to please with fan-fiction. If you liked reading Bionicle Chronicles/Adventures/Legends ... then you won'twant to miss the next best thing since learning Mata Nui was a 40-million-foot-tall robot. BZP User The Mad Great Being presents ... Bionicle: Malevolencehttp://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/19970-the-great-being-civil-war/ Sponsored by Wamsutta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Light Gunhaver Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 I believe that the Toa Nuva were once said to be the strongest Toa in the universe (source needed, this is off the top of my head). After that, it was once said in one of the early guidebooks that Pohatu was physically the strongest of the Toa Nuva (not Onua, surprisingly). That's why I think Pohatu Nuva is the strongest Toa, at base stats anyway. No Golden Armor, just pure Po-Toa muscle. This could be completely wrong, though. *Braces for inevitable "Canon Fire" of why my headcanon is wrong* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta Luroka Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 No, I think you're right. The Toa Nuva were supposedly well beyond other toa, in terms of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailli Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Why is Matoro not included in the Toa Mahri? I believe that the Toa Nuva were once said to be the strongest Toa in the universe (source needed, this is off the top of my head). After that, it was once said in one of the early guidebooks that Pohatu was physically the strongest of the Toa Nuva (not Onua, surprisingly). That's why I think Pohatu Nuva is the strongest Toa, at base stats anyway. No Golden Armor, just pure Po-Toa muscle. This could be completely wrong, though. *Braces for inevitable "Canon Fire" of why my headcanon is wrong* You're right, but muscle ≠ Toa power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahkshi Lalonde Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 there's an issue here cuz like... what is "raw toa power?" like, if we're talking raw, then Tahu (golden) doesn't qualify cuz that's not his power, it is specifically the armor? (the armor also apparently gives him rahkshi powers but again i think that's the armor, and taking it off reverts him to Tahu vanilla?) so what qualifies as "toa power"? and yeah i am confused why Matoro is beneath the other mahri, is it cuz he's dead or....? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsutta Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 I personally believe that Matoro didn't have as much power as the other Toa Mahri. I believe he's weaker, and he stood out to me so I placed him below. I put Tahu with Golden Armor there just because of the power level he would be at now. Whatever you want to think raw Toa Power is, I guess -- how much power each Toa has. What lists would you guys create? I was hoping to see some of your lists. Quote For the first time in four years ... the Bionicle story comes to a closewith the Bionicle Disunity trilogy Were you as shocked as I was upon learning the Bionicle serials "The Yesterday Quest" and "The Powers That Be" would never be finished?Did you know that Lego won't allow Greg Farshtey to complete the story because they want to focus on marketing G2? My close friend The Mad Great Being has been working tirelessly on completing the Bionicle story ... and now it is finally finished. His writing style staystrue to the integrity of the characters that we know and love. His plot ideas are something only comparable to Greg Farshtey's. Trust me, I'm hard to please with fan-fiction. If you liked reading Bionicle Chronicles/Adventures/Legends ... then you won'twant to miss the next best thing since learning Mata Nui was a 40-million-foot-tall robot. BZP User The Mad Great Being presents ... Bionicle: Malevolencehttp://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/19970-the-great-being-civil-war/ Sponsored by Wamsutta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta Luroka Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Golden armor doesnt count, Kopaka nuva at top, rest of the scrubs don't even matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Light Gunhaver Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Does Tuyet count? She did absorb the energies of different and multiple Toa. That's not her power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Inika Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I personally believe that Matoro didn't have as much power as the other Toa Mahri. I believe he's weaker, and he stood out to me so I placed him below.That seems kind of arbitrary. I was about to ask why Matoro wasn't part of the Toa Mahri before, until I saw someone else already did. If anything, he should be higher than the other Mahri. If we are going by Toa Power (as opposed to Elemental Power), there really doesn't need to be a list. All of the things we have seen Toa Power do (revive Matoran from stasis, create Toa Stones, become Turaga, etc.) could be performed equally by all Toa, except maybe Toa Hordika. Making a list of how powerful individual Toa are would have the Nuva at the top, for being biologically superior to the other Toa, followed basically by everyone else equally. Going by just how well any Toa could handle themselves in a fight, it really can't be said, and it is doubtful the distinction could be made by team. I'm discounting both the Golden Armor and Nui Stone from my thought process, because they could hypothetically be used by any Toa. Quote "You are an absolute in these uncertain times. Your past is forgotten, and your future is an empty book. You must find your own destiny, my brave adventurer." -- Turaga Nokama Click here to visit my library! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I personally believe that Matoro didn't have as much power as the other Toa Mahri. I believe he's weaker, and he stood out to me so I placed him below.That seems kind of arbitrary. I was about to ask why Matoro wasn't part of the Toa Mahri before, until I saw someone else already did. If anything, he should be higher than the other Mahri. If we are going by Toa Power (as opposed to Elemental Power), there really doesn't need to be a list. All of the things we have seen Toa Power do (revive Matoran from stasis, create Toa Stones, become Turaga, etc.) could be performed equally by all Toa, except maybe Toa Hordika. Making a list of how powerful individual Toa are would have the Nuva at the top, for being biologically superior to the other Toa, followed basically by everyone else equally. Going by just how well any Toa could handle themselves in a fight, it really can't be said, and it is doubtful the distinction could be made by team. I'm discounting both the Golden Armor and Nui Stone from my thought process, because they could hypothetically be used by any Toa. Wasn't the Golden Armor made specifically for Tahu? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Inika Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I personally believe that Matoro didn't have as much power as the other Toa Mahri. I believe he's weaker, and he stood out to me so I placed him below.That seems kind of arbitrary. I was about to ask why Matoro wasn't part of the Toa Mahri before, until I saw someone else already did. If anything, he should be higher than the other Mahri. If we are going by Toa Power (as opposed to Elemental Power), there really doesn't need to be a list. All of the things we have seen Toa Power do (revive Matoran from stasis, create Toa Stones, become Turaga, etc.) could be performed equally by all Toa, except maybe Toa Hordika. Making a list of how powerful individual Toa are would have the Nuva at the top, for being biologically superior to the other Toa, followed basically by everyone else equally. Going by just how well any Toa could handle themselves in a fight, it really can't be said, and it is doubtful the distinction could be made by team. I'm discounting both the Golden Armor and Nui Stone from my thought process, because they could hypothetically be used by any Toa. Wasn't the Golden Armor made specifically for Tahu? Technically; yes, but someone else could wear and use it. Quote "You are an absolute in these uncertain times. Your past is forgotten, and your future is an empty book. You must find your own destiny, my brave adventurer." -- Turaga Nokama Click here to visit my library! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Light Gunhaver Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 The Golden Armor was dumb. I honestly believe that the strength hierarchy is going to be up to how one views the characters, as there is no real scale that can measure Toa power, much like Dragon Ball Z's "Power Levels" are, quite frankly, arbitrary. Matoro may seem weak, when he could actually be a secret powerhouse because he's too gentle and kind to really use it unless he really needs to. However, Matoro could be seen as strong, due to his courageousness and willingness to sacrifice himself for the entire universe. The Toa Nuva are the strongest, the rest are ambiguously strong. I'm content with that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbert Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 To be honest, Helryx could defeat any other Toa, including the Nuva, with her experience alone. As we see with the Toa Metru, they temporarily ran out of power because they didn't knew how to properly control it. Meanwhile, she summoned a tidal wave big enough to sink a fleet with barely any effort. It would have been interesting to see a duel between Helryx and Tuyet, though. Quote My epic "Volver a comenzar": http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/21137-volver-a-comenzar/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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