Wordmeister Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Ok, we know they live for millenia, maybe even eons. However, they can't just live forever. They are part biological, after all. So I'm basically asking if there has been a set lifespan for the Matoran species. However, there would be little proof in the BIONICLE story of this, due to the fact that the main story took place over the course of a year (or two) if I remember correctly (which I probably don't). Even if it was more than a year, it would still not be enough time to give us a clear lifespan. So the info would probably come from a serial or GregF answers thingy. So this is my question: What is the average lifespan of a Matoran? Quote Rock Bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 (edited) I would say infinite since they can regenerate the organic partsOh and Takua lived more than a 100 thousand years without a problem Edited December 14, 2012 by Dual Matrix Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wordmeister Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 I would say infinite since they can regenerate the organic partsOh and Takua lived more than a 100 thousand years without a problem That;s what I thought. It's the best answer we can come up with without more info, right? Quote Rock Bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taipu1 Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Potentially infinite, I don't think Takua is a good example, as he became a Toa, and we don't know what affect that has on how organic he is, and his life span. I tend to think of Helryx, who has really shown no sign of deterioration in physical strength or power, compared to other Toa. Death results from deterioration of health, if they're constantly at the same level, there should be no reason to die, unless there's some death phenomenon where they suddenly weaken rapidly. A healthy being wouldn't just drop dead afterall. Quote - Taipu1.HighFly MatoranShowdownBZPRPG ProfilesHave you seen my Blog? I understand if you haven't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constructelf Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Yeah, it seems that MU sapient species don't have a Hayflick limit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 As long as the red star works, infinite.Keep in mind Lewa getting aged by the ignika, though that wasn't well defined. Quote No such thing as destiny. BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 As long as the red star works, infinite.But that isn't part of their lifespan- revival means new life after death. So if they die and are revived on the Star, that doesn't show anything about their lifespan. Quote save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorikSigma Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) Potentially infinite is good, but death can result from battle or disease. There are germs in the MU, right? Edited December 15, 2012 by Norik Astartes Quote BZPRPG ARC 3 / Breaking Point Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Toa Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Well there are protodites, which are like their equivalent of bacteria I guess. Maybe certain Makuta viruses can spread like real life viruses, too. I was going to speculate if the MU inhabitants were actually designed to die out after about 100,000 years, once Mata Nui's mission was done. But we know that's not the case, because the Kingdom took place 10,000 years later (in its own universe due to time passing faster there) and Helyrx, Takanuva, and the Toa Mata haven't died of old age. Quote My BlogLatest Update: RPG: Character Creation and StatsMy Story CollectionStory Currently in Progress:End of Yrenta (Review Topic) (Currently at 55 Chapters)I realize I haven't updated my stories or posted much for quite a while. I will get back it it sometime, and I am still checking the site daily for any interesting topics.Brickshelf Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BULiK Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 From what I remember, this was answered on the original Bioniclestory.com website (The Mahri one) in the Greg Q&A thing. I'm just not sure how to find it, though. Quote Visit www.BZPRPG.com to view my project of archiving BZPower's RPGs, and also access the BZPower Roleplaying Wiki BZPRPG Profiles - Ghosts Of Bara Magna Profiles Exo-Force RPG Profiles - Six Kingdoms: Apocalypse (Knichou, Berys, Arnex, The Taku, Exuze) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toa kopaka4372 Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Incredibly long. They could possibly live to a million years or more. If Helryx could live for over 100,000 years full of battle and still be as agile and fit as any other Toa than they must have extremely strong bodies and health. Quote Credit goes to Linus Van Pelt (Formerly known as Cherixon) and Spectral Avohkii EnterprisesMy Memoirs of the Dead entry, Reflectons:http://www.bzpower.com/board/index.php?showtopic=7351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podu Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 And, if the Red Star revival thing was functional, they could live pretty much eternally... Quote 99.9% of BIONICLE fans forgot about Podu. If you happen to be the 0.1% that still remember him, copy and paste this into your sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Just to be clear, Greg confirmed they do have maximum lifespans. So it's not just infinite. Podu, that's an interesting point to consider. Would they normally, after living out their lifespan, be revived? Does the "clock" start over at zero at any revival? Actually, if so, then it's possible Takua is NOT an example of the longest naturally lived guy, if there's any chance he was killed and revived long ago before the Sendback teleporter broke. (Probably not though.) And, since Greg confirmed he did die in MOL (and revived by a local system doing the same job as the RS) he may be nowhere near death now. Fascinating... Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Also we must not forget that the Agori and Glatiorian -who are fully organic- can live for more than 100 thousand years so the lifespan of a matoran must be waay bigger Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wordmeister Posted December 15, 2012 Author Share Posted December 15, 2012 Also we must not forget that the Agori and Glatiorian -who are fully organic- can live for more than 100 thousand years so the lifespan of a matoran must be waay biggerTrue, Ackar has been alive since before the Matoran, before Mata Nui. He's pretty old. However, since Glatorian are completely organic, they can't really be used as an example.The Mata were technically alive from the beginning, though they spent most of there time in a comatose state. Since we have no idea if this would stop the clock, it probably can't be used as proof of anything. Quote Rock Bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mersery Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) I believe Greg was asked this question once, at least in the regards to lifespan of a Matoran. It was posed to him on the "Ask Greg" section of BIONICLEstory.com back in 2007. Here's the quote: Question: On average, what is the approximate natural lifespan of a Matoran?Greg's Answer: Hasn't been revealed, but we know there are some who are close to 100,000 years old if not older. So unless Greg's given a definitive answer since then, I guess we don't really know the answer yet. I'm sure the new information regarding the Red Star could play a part in explaining their lifespans. If you think about it, their lifespans could effectively be doubled, should a Matoran live their entire natural life (baring injuries and harmful strain) and die of natural causes, then be revived by the Star and have that lifespan 'restarted,' in a manner of speaking. As bonesii said earlier, fascinating.... Edited December 15, 2012 by Fezmaster Quote "The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Also we must not forget that the Agori and Glatiorian -who are fully organic- can live for more than 100 thousand years so the lifespan of a matoran must be waay biggerDo we know that's their natural minimum lifespan, though? What if the implants are partly responsible for that? Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zidonaro Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 (edited) I believe they have infinite lifespan since they were made to keep Mata Nui alive and things like that. Edited December 15, 2012 by jalar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I believe they have infinite lifespan since they were made to keep Mata Nui alive and things like that.But, besides the fact that Greg confirmed they do have maximum lifespans, Mata Nui can be kept maintained by new Matoran replacing old ones, similar to the current real-life system for humans. (And since the Red Star stopped teleporting people back, that's what's been in place in the cases of accidents and murders and the like.) Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wordmeister Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 I believe they have infinite lifespan since they were made to keep Mata Nui alive and things like that.But, besides the fact that Greg confirmed they do have maximum lifespans, Mata Nui can be kept maintained by new Matoran replacing old ones, similar to the current real-life system for humans. (And since the Red Star stopped teleporting people back, that's what's been in place in the cases of accidents and murders and the like.) Murderer wouldn't figure into the picture. The Matoran weren't supposed to be sentient Quote Rock Bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I believe they have infinite lifespan since they were made to keep Mata Nui alive and things like that.But, besides the fact that Greg confirmed they do have maximum lifespans, Mata Nui can be kept maintained by new Matoran replacing old ones, similar to the current real-life system for humans. (And since the Red Star stopped teleporting people back, that's what's been in place in the cases of accidents and murders and the like.)Murderer wouldn't figure into the picture. The Matoran weren't supposed to be sentientThere are certain sometimes-hostile species such as certain Rahi which could kill Matoran. Not technically murder, but you get the gist. Also, as currently being discussed in the "Ramifications of Velika Being a GB" topic, it's possible that he knew they'd become self-aware, or that he tampered with the system to cause that. Quote save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeCee Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Some animals can live forever on Earth I believe. No reason my a Bionicle might not be able to Quote Signature Guidelines: Avatar and signature total file size may not exceed 250 KB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Some animals can live forever on Earth I believe. No reason my a Bionicle might not be able to No animals but the trees sequoya sempervirens and the taxus can. Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaksDudekVA Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 It has been stated by Greg that matoran do have set life spans, it's just that they are very VERY long. I thing he said it was about 10000000000000 years or so. Quote Need a voice over done? PM me or reach me at mikolajdudek@gmail.com! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 We're missing a very inportant key element here, we don't know how long a year in the Bionicle universe is. Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaksDudekVA Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I was talking in earth years. Quote Need a voice over done? PM me or reach me at mikolajdudek@gmail.com! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 No greg always spoke in bio year, I could be wrong tough; Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I believe they have infinite lifespan since they were made to keep Mata Nui alive and things like that.But, besides the fact that Greg confirmed they do have maximum lifespans, Mata Nui can be kept maintained by new Matoran replacing old ones, similar to the current real-life system for humans. (And since the Red Star stopped teleporting people back, that's what's been in place in the cases of accidents and murders and the like.)Murderer wouldn't figure into the picture. The Matoran weren't supposed to be sentientNot sure what you mean; what picture? I only mentioned murders because they do happen and that's part of what new Matoran replace now that the RS is broken. Even if they didn't, there are still deadly accidents, so it doesn't matter. But since you bring it up; "murder" would be possible even without sentience if a unit glitched to start "demolishing" fellow units. In fact IMO nearly anything bad that a sapient evil being can do, the GBs could also consider as a possibility for a glitching AI. Some animals can live forever on Earth I believe. No reason my a Bionicle might not be able toNo animals but the trees sequoya sempervirens and the taxus can.No lifeform at all lives forever in the current system. Even communal organisms like coral (not sure if that's accurate that it applies to any trees BTW) will eventually die out due to accumulating mutations. They live beyond individuals because the individuals are relatively small. Technically communities of animals, and humans, live similarly, so it's really just a play on words. Individuals die of old age mainly because (as far as we know right now) the "bookends" if you will on our DNA strands wears down over time, and when those disappear completely our DNA itself starts to unravel. New individuals get full-length bookends. So, if there was a biological repair system for the bookends (as we may technologically accomplish in the future), our lifespans could be extended much longer. Just making longer bookends at the beginning would also lengthen them, but constant repair could enable us to live liflespans more similar to Agori. So my guess is that Agori have such a biological system. What would, then, kill off an individual Agori, if so, would be other deleterious mutations to their DNA (equivalent, if they don't use DNA), but other repair mechanisms could extend even this, until finally the wear and tear on the repair mechanisms themselves would spell the end. We're missing a very inportant key element here, we don't know how long a year in the Bionicle universe is.No, Greg confirmed a long time ago it's Earth years. What we don't know is how long the days are compared to us and thus how many of them there are in a year. But it's probably essentially the same IMO, with each day split up into more and shorter hours. Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I believe they have infinite lifespan since they were made to keep Mata Nui alive and things like that.But, besides the fact that Greg confirmed they do have maximum lifespans, Mata Nui can be kept maintained by new Matoran replacing old ones, similar to the current real-life system for humans. (And since the Red Star stopped teleporting people back, that's what's been in place in the cases of accidents and murders and the like.)Murderer wouldn't figure into the picture. The Matoran weren't supposed to be sentientNot sure what you mean; what picture? I only mentioned murders because they do happen and that's part of what new Matoran replace now that the RS is broken. Even if they didn't, there are still deadly accidents, so it doesn't matter. But since you bring it up; "murder" would be possible even without sentience if a unit glitched to start "demolishing" fellow units. In fact IMO nearly anything bad that a sapient evil being can do, the GBs could also consider as a possibility for a glitching AI. Some animals can live forever on Earth I believe. No reason my a Bionicle might not be able toNo animals but the trees sequoya sempervirens and the taxus can.No lifeform at all lives forever in the current system. Even communal organisms like coral (not sure if that's accurate that it applies to any trees BTW) will eventually die out due to accumulating mutations. They live beyond individuals because the individuals are relatively small. Technically communities of animals, and humans, live similarly, so it's really just a play on words. Individuals die of old age mainly because (as far as we know right now) the "bookends" if you will on our DNA strands wears down over time, and when those disappear completely our DNA itself starts to unravel. New individuals get full-length bookends. So, if there was a biological repair system for the bookends (as we may technologically accomplish in the future), our lifespans could be extended much longer. Just making longer bookends at the beginning would also lengthen them, but constant repair could enable us to live liflespans more similar to Agori. So my guess is that Agori have such a biological system. What would, then, kill off an individual Agori, if so, would be other deleterious mutations to their DNA (equivalent, if they don't use DNA), but other repair mechanisms could extend even this, until finally the wear and tear on the repair mechanisms themselves would spell the end. We're missing a very inportant key element here, we don't know how long a year in the Bionicle universe is.No, Greg confirmed a long time ago it's Earth years. What we don't know is how long the days are compared to us and thus how many of them there are in a year. But it's probably essentially the same IMO, with each day split up into more and shorter hours. The trees can regrow themselves when the are close to dieing(not counet cutting or lightning or forestfires) and the year stuff I remembered reading something in the first ask Greg stuff he wasn't shure how long a Bio year took but that could've changed over the years Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constructelf Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_nutriculaHAIL THE IMMORTAL JELLYFISH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Toa Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Maybe the implants give Agori some sort of nanobot or miracle medicine that repairs the damage aging causes. As for the length of years, we know that the days are 36 hours long. If the years are the same length as Earth years, that could mean hours are shorter, but I thought it's more likely less days per year. Quote My BlogLatest Update: RPG: Character Creation and StatsMy Story CollectionStory Currently in Progress:End of Yrenta (Review Topic) (Currently at 55 Chapters)I realize I haven't updated my stories or posted much for quite a while. I will get back it it sometime, and I am still checking the site daily for any interesting topics.Brickshelf Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 They can recreate organic parts and if you can do this you are technically immortal but maybe after time the energy that is the spirit just faints away.Hail all the other immortal beings: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_immortality#section_2 Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Nui Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I don't know if Matoran would have an infinite life span, but they do live for a pretty long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Being Velika Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I remember reading that a matoran can live as long as 100000 years, and that is a long time! Quote I like BZP so much, I named my Minecraft account Dimensioneer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voxumo Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Hmm i believe that matoran could potentially live for a long time but i also like to think that there has to be a deadline (no pun intended) i would assume they would not live longer than like 500,000 years given anything longer than that would be unreasonable. think about it could your sanity really hold up for longer than that? so basically what i'm trying to say is i believe that if they lived past a certain time that they would die of mental degredation. Quote Banner made by Onaku BZPRPG CHARACTERS Syvra-Tivanu If you interact with one of my characters and I don't respond or acknowledge the interaction within a day, send me a PM. Odds are I missed or did not see the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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