Sir Kohran

It would be interesting if there were a Metru Nui Online Game, Mahri Nui Online Game, Karda Nui Online Game, Spherus Magna Online Game/Bara Magna Online Game, and Okoto Online Game, which would do the same as either Mata Nui Online Game 1 or 2, too. It would be enjoyable to explore about these places.

I've always thought it was a huge shame there weren't more games like MNOLG for the later years.

I agree with a lot of what has been said, but the sad truth is there's often more profit in a story people already know than in one they don't. If there wasn't there wouldn't be as many licenses as there are.

I do wonder whether another Bionicle or Ninjago will or would happen again.

My point was that they would've started to work on 2005 content way before the end of 2004, since that's how they prepare all their releases. They couldn't have prepared an entire year's worth of sets, a movie and everything in a few months.

Let's assume the LOMN script was written by December 2003, then the filmmaking finished by June 2004 for its late 2004 release. The decision to do another Metru Nui year was made around April 2004, giving them about eight months to prepare the stuff for it, but it was a little too late for the film to be majorly changed.

I don't know if that's exactly how it happened, but I think it was something like that.

True, Bionicle was cancelled twice in 2010 and 2016, but there are always many fans who want to make Bionicle look better. These fan games make Bionicle look cooler.

I don't see how fan stuff changes or would change how people view the official line.

Okay, I actually remember Greg being asked about the film ending and him answering that the second Metru Nui year wasn't planned in advance, then by the time it was, the second film was too far into production to have the ending completely rewritten and reanimated. There was also a topic around 2010 where he made clear that most of Bionicle was 'planned from the beginning' but added that 2005 wasn't, "which is why it always felt a bit forced" or something like that.

I'm sorry I can't prove this with the old board long gone, but I'm pretty sure that's what was said.

On ‎4‎/‎24‎/‎2020 at 4:58 AM, Toatapio Nuva said:

I doubt 2005 was planned that late, Lego always planned their story years well in advance. 2005 would've had to be planned in 2003 at the latest.

So why does the end of the 2004 film wrap up the Metru Nui story? Why doesn't it lead into the 2005 story in any way?

(plus the Coliseum was needed in the 2005 storyline, which was probably already planned out)

It wasn't actually, a second Metru Nui year was only decided on some way into 2004, which is why the 2004 film doesn't lead into the 2005 story and simply ends with the Toa Metru becoming Turaga on Mata Nui instead.

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure if that was explicitly the reason. Perhaps it was worked on up until that point and it occurred to someone higher up to change it?

Maybe for quite a lot of the making, the Coliseum would be destroyed during Makuta's rise, then it was decided that it wouldn't be and Vakama's vision had to be changed to reflect that?

I doubt it would've succeeded, because its success relied so much on the internet, with both the official site to provide story and sites like this to allow fans to keep up with it all...and there wasn't that much internet around in the 80s.

3 hours ago, That Matoran with a Vahi said:

I mean, it kinda surprises me that no-one's mentioned "Free the Band" yet; because to me that thing was THE SINGLE most bizarre piece of Bionicle media xD Perhaps it would have made more sense had I had any interest in the popular music scene, but as it was I knew nothing of the band in question, so any significance was entirely lost on me.

I never got the point of it. It wasn't canon so it didn't do or add anything for Bionicle fans, and the band weren't so big that their fans would've added much to Bionicle's success, and how many rock fans were going to be interested in a Lego line anyway?

Uh...it can't? And I never said it could? And my entire point was that it doesn't have to be?

So are you saying Bionicle could or should become a book series or web story or something different to what it used to be?

I dunno, how does any movie/TV/vidya franchise make bank?

With Bionicle, the main money was always in the sets, the other stuff was only made to help with that.

Greg's also not a good writer, and he kinda gave up on the serials entirely, so that didn't help.

Whatever you think of him, I think the basic point is that a story that isn't part of or connected to something else (the sets in this case) doesn't seem to do too well.

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Nothing about Bionicle requires it to be for selling toys; in fact, the narrative can be freed up without having to shove in new characters and concepts all the time to shoehorn the toys into the story.

Bionicle has always been a toyline, how can it be that without sets? And how will the makers get any money if there's no sold products involved?

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No toys means more creative freedom, which almost always means a better story.

That's what Greg said when he said he'd continue Bionicle through the serials, and look how that turned out.

But they got to know each other again, perhaps much better than they did on Metru Nui.

1 hour ago, TheZOMBIEJ said:

honestly, and i'm probably in the minority, i don't have a least favorite set! i love them all! you are not a true Bionicle fan unless you love and enjoy every set in the entire Bionicle catalog! we all, as Bionicle fans, must appreciate everything Lego created for the Bionicle Community and if you can't accept that well you are an idiot (in my opinion! sorry!)!  

just ask yourself... what would Mata Nui say?  

He'd probably say you're more of an idiot if you can accept that you 'must' do anything than if you can't.

"And speaking of 2011, isn't it odd that he stopped coming online AND writing the serials altogether? Personal issues and official TLC age restrictions could be the explanation, but I can also imagine an end-of-contract situation being an additional factor.

Here's what happened in late 2010 and 2011: Bionicle ended, Greg stopped coming online and writing serials, the ban on mentioning other Bionicle fan sites and YouTube was lifted, and there was also a prolonged downtime. Most, if not all of these things, could have something to do with an official contract involving BZP, TLC, and Greg."

I think you're getting a little carried away with this. And most of the stuff you mentioned didn't happen at the exact same time, so it's not that much of a coincidence.

I've always disliked the Rahaga and 2006 Matoran for not having any new pieces. It comes across as a pretty cheap way to use up pieces left over from previous years and meet the requirement for the 'small sets' at the same time.

Does anybody know why Makuta is shown with a Vahi? Was it meant to be his in an early version of the story?

And if this video was meant to announce Bionicle, why did it use what I guess were prototypes of the Toa?

2 hours ago, Sir Keksalot said:

Which is why I called it the eve of its anniversary.

But it can't even be the eve when we still have ten months of this year to go.

it started in 2000 in Europe and 2001 in America (i think)! 

No, it was all in 2001. I think you're mistaking the fact that the NA release of sets was further into the year than it was in Europe.

In 2000, Slizer/Throwbot sets were still being released, in case you don't know.

On the eve of Bionicle's 20th anniversary

I'm not sure how 2020 can be the 20th anniversary of a line that started in 2001.

In-universe the change to Matoran was because "the Tohunga realized they were one people."

A slightly weak reason for it given that 'Tohunga' was already the term for them as one people.

Before Matoran became the standard word, villagers were referred to as Onu-Koran, Le-Koran, etc., (later changed to Koronan, probably because it's not a good idea to have the name of the Islamic holy book in Bionicle)

I can't check right now, but I think Koran and Koronan are used a bit interchangeably throughout the MNOLG, I'm not sure if a big *change* happened with that.

So did the word "matoran" have anything to do with the pre-existing name "matoro" or were both words simply derived from "mata" (maori for spirit, I believe)  like in the Toa Mata or Mata Nui?

Probably the second and the similarity to Matoro is just coincidence.

I'm currently working on a screenplay for what I hope will someday become a series of BIONICLE films.

Just as a fan project or as actual films?

And don't we already have a series of Bionicle films?

On ‎1‎/‎4‎/‎2020 at 2:56 AM, The Shadow Imperator said:

It wouldn't have been. It's pretty clear from the Makuta dialogue in the beta that the "fight" was little more than him tasking the Toa with clearing the six final challenge rooms. Peri emailed Templar about the image in question last year, and they confirmed that it was created by them for the Wall of History using LoMN assets as there was no existing imagery of the Makuta fight outside of MNOG itself. Also, we have Templar's recent blog posts to put to rest any doubts that they were the ones who created the Vortex Makuta concept.

Thanks for this. Do you know much about the challenge rooms?

Takanuva: Possibly a mix between Maori taka- "sense of revolution" and Ido nuva "new"

• Takutanuva: A mix between Maori tākuta "doctor" and Ido nuva "new"

I think these characters' names derive from the names of the characters they came from: Takanuva = Takua + Nuva (Takua became a Toa who looked like a Nuva) and Takutanuva = Takanuva + Makuta (the characters who fused to form him).

Plus Maori wasn't being used by 2003.

Sorry for the big image, but this basically confirms that Faber WANTS to bring Bionicle back.

At the same time, calling Bionicle 'a worldwide IP own(ed) by a global company' seems to mean he doesn't have much control over whether that happens, and 'reaching for the impossible' doesn't make it sound like it's exactly going to be easy.