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I will be sure to note that. By the way, just to reiterate, by saying you vote to have any two or all four merged, I'm going to assume you also agree to the supporting ideas along the way. Like if you think Ancient and Tyrant should be merged, ultimately Ancient left and found an island of his own, harboring thoughts to conquer more later. Or if you support TSO and Conjurer merging, Conjurer did the same thing as Tyrant, and he later on had his tail cut off as punishment by TSO--those sorts of things. Seriously though, the whole reason I got all of this rolling is because I have seen plenty of complaints about how many races and species there are in the MU. As it is, I think these are the easiest creatures to merge physically, biographically, and characteristically, as many of the others would require far more of gymnastics.

1. Yes 2. Yes 3. No See here https://community.lego.com/t5/LEGO-General/Chat-with-Greg-Farshtey/td-p/6605180/page/715 and here for Greg https://community.lego.com/t5/LEGO-General/Chat-with-Greg-Farshtey/td-p/6605180/page/735 plus some conversation farther back. *panting* And about one thing I know people will say The Shadowed One is no stranger to cutting off limbs/extremities/other body parts. In Time Trap on page 24 he said “I believe enough hands have been removed this year.” Given Conjurer’s characteristics, it would make sense that TSO cut off his tail as punishment, so the whole tail thing is not an issue. Had it been TSO who had his tail gone, it would require more hurtles, but as it is, it's not a problem. Yes, I directly quoted myself from the other topic. As always, I encourage everyone to please read through all arguments for and against this both here and in the other topic before making a decision. Thanks again SPIRIT for starting this poll.

Thanks for getting that rolling, SPIRIT.

Just think of it like Star Wars. Emporer killed. Rebels win. Everyone's happy until Kylo Ren comes along. The End.

A few things I think I need to say… The Shadowed One is no stranger to cutting off limbs/extremities/general body parts. In Time Trap on page 24 he said “I believe enough hands have been removed this year.” Given Conjurer’s characteristics, it would make sense that TSO cut off his tail as punishment, so the whole tail thing is not an issue. Had it been TSO who had his tail gone, it would require more hurtles, but as it is, it's not a problem. Nothing canon says Ancient and TSO are the same species. They definitely were from the same island, but I have found says they’re the same species. I’ve looked through the guides, read the books, and examined Biosector01 and nothing specifies they belong to the same race. And while I’m all for consolidating races, I don’t see Ancient and TSO as the same species. That said, if the fandom outweighs me, I won’t object. There are way too many species, and one race is better than four. I just think we can’t make decisions that aren’t logical. I do think that the whole notion that TSO is the same race as Ancient is a misunderstanding solidified by the agreement of others. That is said, I will respect and gladly listen to opinions why Ancient is the same race as TSO and I will let myself be swayed if there are solid arguments. Can someone please set up a poll for this? As one can tell by the title of this topic, I was trying to make a poll, but wasn’t able to. Since there seems to be some consensus, I think there could be a poll set up. It doesn’t have to be now, but I think it should happen once this topics gone as far as it will go. If someone does that, please reference this topic. I’m sorry if I seem a little pushy in this post; this week has been pretty long. As always, I support constructive criticism because it allows me to strengthen my idea.

Hey, even better. Make all four of them the same species. Gen 1 had way too many anyway. But I saw this in some other topic and I looked through several books and ran through BS01. I've seen nothing that says Ancient and TSO are part of the same species. That was why I distiguished them in my post. However, if they actually are part of the same species already, then yes, why not make all four the same. Hey, even better. Make all four of them the same species. Gen 1 had way too many anyway. Really??? I know it would be dead easy to make them all one species, but there are some very clear physical differences between them. You forget, this is war and this is also Bionicle and dozens of mutations and transformations seem to happen whenever the two are in close proximity. That is a good point, though. Perhaps TSO used his disintegration eyebeams to remove his tail for disobedience, or just cut it off (he does make a reference to how many arms he's cut off this year in Time Trap). Or maybe when Conjurer first found his staff of disintegration, he accidentally removed his own tail. Knowing him. Now that I think about it, they both either claim to have or actually do have some power of disintegration. I'm going to add that above.

This is a poll concerning consolidating four species into two. Before you decide your opinion on this proposal, I encourage you to read all the way through the idea. This sort of retconning is the sort that has been called for frequently. However, for those of you who think these sorts of retcons are silly anyway as Generation One ended five years ago, please be polite to those of us for whom Bionicle’s first generation lives on. A short while back, I was scrolling through the “Simplifying the Species List” topic which got me thinking along those lines. (I’ve always been supportive of the idea of less species, especially when I look at BS01’s unnamed species list, but this made me more serious about the idea.) Not long afterwards, I came up with a theory of my own. Various parts of my idea were discussed in the “Simplifying the Species List (again)” topic later on, although none of them reached the full extent of my idea, yada-yada-yada. So without further ado… Behold!! Here’s my theory: Conjurer is part of the same species as The Shadowed One. Tyrant is part of the same species as Ancient. Both of these races are based on the same island. At some point during the war on Ancient’s home island (which I will refer to as the Ancient War), Tyrant gave up trying to make something of the war. He left the island, found another southern island that he conquered, and harbored plans to add to his kingdom and power. At some point during the Ancient War, Conjurer gave up trying to make something of the war. He left the island, found another southern island that he conquered, and harbored plans to add to his kingdom and power. (These, of course, were frustrated as Matoran make notoriously poor conquering armies.)Points Four and Five are not in the order they happened; they are interchangeable. Here’s the evidence: TSO and Conjurer both have similar heads and builds. Their race is related to, but not necessarily the same as Krekka’s species. Ancient and Tyrant both have similar heads, tails, and claw hands (but not Claw Hands J). The fact that all of them might have been rivals on their island may provide additional reasons why Conjurer and Tyrant are so insolent to The Shadowed One and Ancient. The fact that powers (and to some extent, anatomy too) vary is of no consequence: anyone in the war may have been experimented on or modified, and that says nothing of the possible accidents that happen in Bionicle. Both TSO and Conjurer either claims to have or actually have powers of disintegration. Additionally, Tyrant is impervious to extreme cold and Ancient’s home island is one of “shadows and ice.” Just a thought.Here are the benefits: It would consolidate four species into two. It would increase the significance of both races and also show multiple occurrences of them. As someone else said when I pitched the idea to Greg Farshtey, it would increase the significance of the war, not leaving it as little more than an insignificant conflict with no effects outside of the one island. Expanding on our knowledge of this war would add depth to the events that would result in the birth of the Dark Hunters. Even the Skakdi civil war had its effects on the rest of the universe—why wouldn’t this?I’ve run this theory by Greg and he says he’d be fine with it if the community is. Tell me if there’s anything you need clarified. I may edit this proposal to add new information and evidence. Please do not vote until you’re absolutely certain nothing can change your mind. I only recently became a member, but yesterday I was reading through one or two pages of the What’s up w/ the rampant canonization topic, so I’m well aware of the ideas of both sides. I obviously support canonization to a point, but I do see very good arguments against the LMB activity of late. I will try to make a good effort to sway you in support of this. If this actually does work, I have another theory to consolidate races further, but only if this works. Edit: Okay, I'm sorry. Either only Premier members can make polls or something went wrong. Whatever. Consider this not a poll but a proposal. How embarrassing...