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1. It's a bit premature to directly compare the two generations, given G2 hasn't made it through the first storyline yet. 2. The first post comes across a little passive-aggressive: "Stop clogging up my g2 discussion with your g1 comparisons", essentially. 3. Little pigs got chased by the big bad wolf 4. G1 canon even now fluctuates depending on the individual and what sources they use. 5. Can you call a topic official when the staff weren't involved?

So did umarak, and I'm pretty sure he's alive.

Hey that's actually pretty interesting and can be expanded to maybe TIME TRAVEL? you have to admit that's a cool idea.No, bad Tahu3.0. Put down the Continuation Theory ball and step away from it slowly. /jokes Also, time travel has the potential to be more of a mess than anything else in the story so far. I think they'll leave it out.

"Ekimu's not going to be evil, just have all the personality traits of looking like he's evil." Isn't that untrue? His characterisation has been the opposite, hasn't it?

A physical trait like expanded lungs wouldn't be something picked up in a matter of weeks.

More like a year or two our time. Since matoran are practically immortal, it'd take longer for them to pick up these traits.

OK, who's going to Photoshop a completed Vahi?

Someone said a little earlier that G1 didn't have a lot of depth in its first few years either. I think that really makes the point here. So many of us got into bionicle before we were half as media-overdosed as we are today. A lot of the older people on the forums remember playing the MNOLG on a dial-up connection, and then it blew our minds. Now, we're all in our twenties and expected the same effect that 01-03 had on us when we were children. Newsflash; G1 wasn't as good as you remember. Nostalgia caused people to expect G2 to be the Lord of the Rings in Lego. G1 didn't have much of a better story back then. In fact, how many twenty year olds back then would have dumped all over Bionicle in '02? The depth came with time. Time which we are not giving G2.

I'm proposing that that applies to the elemental abilities as well, not just personalities. Takua would have wandered away from anywhere on Mata Nui. Remember how he's never in one place for long? It's a subconscious realization that none of these other tribes are his.

Off the Tamaru topic, I got to thinking about why matoran would have personalities, and especially personalities that are apparently opposite to the elemental stereotype. I know GregF eventually said it was the result of Velika giving sentience to previously robotic, but adaptable, drones. That answer doesn't ring true with me. If all the matoran of a different type were the same before being awakened, surely the stereotype would be more true, not less. My proposal is that newly-created matoran instead have no elemental affinity, instead gaining it over time. A Ta-matoran becomes resistant to heat, a ga-matoran learns to swim better, etc. This 'template' build for matorwn would also go towards explaining the lack of physical variation beyond armour colour and mask shape. History wise, the Av-matoran are pretty clearly Super Prototypes for the rest. When the GBs decided to make more Matoran, they didn't change elements, they depowered the Av-matoran template and mass-produced it. Over time, the various matoran became more specialized as they worked on different aspects of the GSR. Look at Takua, who showed the exact same tolerance for heat that ta-matoran did, despite being of a different element. Did he learn to tolerate the heat, like the other ta-matoran?

I like the proposal that he actually has a different definition of 'heights'; as long as there's something beneath him, whether trees, platforms or ground, he's fine. It's being above the treeline away from vines and branches in the open space that terrifies him.Hey, I like that explanation! Great thinking!Think of it more like agoraphobia than acrophobia and it makes a bit more sense with his behaviour

I like the proposal that he actually has a different definition of 'heights'; as long as there's something beneath him, whether trees, platforms or ground, he's fine. It's being above the treeline away from vines and branches in the open space that terrifies him.

I dunno bout you but i used the pins on his back to anchor his bow when he switches to his knife o: (edit, wrong quote!) You're right, that is a good use for them. He's a very striking villain too. The trans green pops against the more subdued black and accent colours.

Entirely possible that a Bo-Matoran could have been visiting Le-Metru during the Toa Metru's adventures, and when revived from a matoran sphere simply assumed he/she was a le-matoran.

Bought an Umarak. I like him. He's an interesting build (waist down, at least) and his bow makes perfect sense with the function. Of course, since I'm not getting the creatures, I see no reason for the connector at the back. Hello, TLG, he's a villain, he destroys the mystic power up dragon-animals, not befriends them.

I believe that the Matoran would know, on some level, what to do. The base personalities were created by the Great Beings, and heaven knows their attempts to do anything are mediocre. Velika downloaded his consciousness into a bot, so the other matoran could very well have been programmed from 'impressions' of consciousnesses from the create beings; maybe that's the reason behind elemental personalities; each element had their own GB-consciousness. In any case, the awakening to sentience may very well have unlocked biological instincts in the Matoran species. That would be why the ostensibly genderless race has romance and relationships. A toa confronted with a baby might result like any new father/mother/friend of a new parent; "It's adorable, now what do I do with it?"/"you're so precious aren't you?"/"That's so cute!"

They might not have been the most visually distinct nor the most creative builds, but they were the ones who introduced us to the matoran life cycle, metru nui, and had the best storyline, however brief it was.

This man speaks the truth. Though, given humanity being humanity and human nature being shot through with more holes than Swiss cheese, I wouldn't be surprised if the Great Beings were human or humanity's descendants. Posthuman near-immortal robots? We can take solace in the fact that the GBs aren't complete donkey orifices in at least one world. Vezon visited a place where they turned the Takua prototype into something to fix the world themselves rather than run a giant robot for a few millenia.

I like the idea that the Great Beings are based on Lego and bionicle fans in personality, but they're certainly not human by any means.

Well so much for no Gods; if the Serials had continued, Takanuva would have played a key role in a Civil War between the Great Beings.That's less gods and more sufficiently advanced jerks. Which could be the same thing depending on your religious beliefs.

That actually has some basis in fact; history shows the worst time for a new kingdom or organization is under the second ruler; everyone believes in the first ruler, or the kingdom would never have begun. By the third, tradition can hold the people together. A weak second can actually ruin everything the first built. Though Mata Nui's functionally immortal, he'd have to either rule for all of time, or let them build something on their own that he could return into.

I must admit I am utterly perplexed as to how one could make an anti-mask. I understand the concept and think it is a very interesting theory but I can't presently think of a way to make such a mask.Anti elements?Heh. Try a make of hunger or absorption. Merge that with the MoUP and it literally sucks the power right out of it, while being basically inert unless worn.

and solving the apprehending of velika (murderous great being in matoran body), getting Pohatu and Kopaka and possibly anyone else who is alive on board the Red Star back to Spherus Magna. To be honest, that's one small part of why I am not fond of the idea of a continuation. I hated pretty much all of those plot lines, which were unnecessary at best and totally derailed old characters at worst. And I doubt any "closure" we could get for those would make them any less terrible.That's the main problem. Connecting G2 up just begs the answers for these serials, when the original author still has no clue how he was going to resolve them. G2's clean break was probably the best approach they could take to bionicle after what we were left with. Either that, or declare the last few serials non-canon, but possible, and move on. Leave the world with Teridax defeated, the Matoran and Agori living together, and Velika with a hint of being the new mastermind. It'd be almost coming full circle from '01, with the hostile world, elemental tribes and scheming matoran-sized villain with power beyond our comprehension.

I'd also like to point out that pretty much every single one of those deaths are now revivals after the Red Star was revealed as a Resurrection Satellite.

Actually, I think nothing would ruin the Bionicle story more. Not everything in the plot needs a complete solution; it's nice to leave the door always open for future adventures, if only for the imagination of the reader's sake. We're talking about getting closure on the existing serials, not finishing it. As Pratchett said, there is no end to a story, only the point where the teller stops speaking. Cleaning the serials up wouldn't prevent fan fiction and future stories, just resolution for "Lewa in Space" and the Red Star.