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  1. Hello, it's nice popping back on one of my first online homes again. Hope all is well. I hope I'm posting in the right forum (admins/mods let me know if I goofed up). Over the past year or two I've come across a refreshing revision of the Matoran alphabet devised by Kaikue/the-big-kahooner which transforms it into a syllabary writing system, making each "circle" a combination of vowel and consonant. To differentiate between this new system and the classic Latin-based alphabet, I'll refer to the new script as "Matoric". Basic recap: And here are examples of diphthongs, with 6 additions to represent all possible combinations: Despite these being theoretically available, it's possible that some of the extra diphthongs are less practical than just writing the vowels separately ("Toa" for example to be written as "To-a") And now to the extras: 1. 4 additional vowels created by diagonally aligning the "vowel circles". These sounds can be found in several European languages among others: 2. "Reverse" Diphthongs, wherein the order is flipped and the second component vowel is blacked out to differentiate from the regular diphthongs: 3. Consonants created through depicting existing consonants as being "aspirated": (I am being rather flexible with this addition as I don't think it accurately depicts the actual linguistic relationship between the sounds. "Sh" for example is not an "aspirated S", and "Kh" could just be an aspirated "K" as in the example "Artakha", though both sounds could exists as belonging to different dialects of Matoric perhaps.) 4. Consonants created by combining existing coda consonants: 5. Punctuation symbols for Matoric: 6. 8 additional consonant[?] symbols created by half-lines, not unlike the long arm of a clock. I'm not sure what these could represent, numbers or even symbols for some of the sounds I've listed above?: With my additions come obvious issues with readability. For example, writing "dio" using the "io" diphthong would generate this: The vertical line of the "d" consonant is mostly hidden by the "i" vowel and could be missed. A possible solution to this would be to decrease the size of the "first vowel", in this case the "i": Here's an example which I took from from the 2021 Matoric booklet (by BZP's very own JRRT) to showcase a simple Matoric sentence: Monograms: Monograms to those unaware are symbols "made by overlapping or combining two or more letters or other graphemes to form one symbol". Matoric's structure makes it theoretically possible to create unique symbols for names or concepts, which I've done in 2 different ways. 1. Adding successive syllable circles within each other. For example, "John Cena" (The large black syllable is "Jon" and the two red ones inside are "Sina"): 2. Slapping every syllable circle together forming one single symbol (overlapping vowels can be resized to fit within each other such as the double "a" in the second example of "Makuta"): I personally find the 2nd method to be quicker as the 1st would require modifying the sizes of each syllable. However, there are instances in which consonants with similar appearances would disappear within each other, such as the name "Kazi": Combining "Ka" and "Zi" makes the monogram look like it says "Kai", as the "z" essentially disappears from view. This is where creativity helps add some individuality to one's symbol, such as simply moving the "z" around to symbolise that it's there: Ultimately, Monograms would probably serve best for signatures and artistic works, as I cannot see an instance in which they would be used in practical writing due to the ambiguity in their pronunciation (I don't think you can't expect most BIONICLE beings to make out your name from a monogram). There may be cases where they could represent universally-known concepts or beings, in which case they could be used in a manner similar to Kanji in Japanese. I hope I was more or less understandable and that you've found this an interesting read at the very least. Credits and MASSIVE thanks to Kaikue and JRRT for their creations and for inspiring me. They're the ones who should be thanked.
  2. Hey all! I know this topic is completely off topic from anything Bionicle related. But seeing as I know a number of you I thought I'd post it here anyway. Over the past 2 months, in my spare time, I've been working on a way to use the Korean alphabet (Called Hangul) with english. Random, I know, but I'm a linguist - Sue me. How I made it Anyway, from the get go I knew that out of all of the non latin writing systems out there. Hangul would be one of the best to use, do to it's abundance of similar letters and consonants to what we have. Here are each of the seperate characters, with their latin (english) equivalents. 14 consonant letters: ㄱ (g), ㄴ (n), ㄷ (d), ㄹ (l/r), ㅁ (m), ㅂ (b), ㅅ (s), ㅇ (placeholder/ng), ㅈ (j), ㅊ (ch), ㅋ (k), ㅌ (t), ㅍ (p), ㅎ (h)6 vowel letters: ㅏ (a), ㅓ (eo), ㅗ (o), ㅜ (u), ㅡ (eu), ㅣ (i)5 double ("tense") consonants: ㄲ kk, ㄸ tt, ㅃ pp, ㅆ ss, ㅉ jj4 iotized vowels (with a y): ㅑ (ya), ㅕ (yeo), ㅛ (yo), ㅠ (yu)5 (iotized) diphthongs: ㅐ (ae), ㅒ (yae), ㅔ (e), ㅖ (ye), ㅢ (ui) After I had researched each letter and sound system and such. I had a decision to make, do I go for a transliterative system (Converting the words to their equivalent pronunciation in the other writing system), or going all out and creating a new writing system for writing specifically english. Here's an example of what I mean: Transliterated: My cake = 마이 캨 (Mai kaek) New system: 뮈 차커 (My cake) I decided, for sake of ease and adoption, that a new system would be best, so I started with that in mind. Early on, I made some basic changes based on how a korean computer input works. First off, I narrowed down the vowels from the "ao, ae, eo" system that korena regularly uses to the a system using their basic vowels. So, I ended up with these five characters for vowels: A = ㅏ E = ㅓ I = ㅣO = ㅗU = ㅜ Then, I took the 14 consonants mentioned above, and removed letters that aren't single in english (Such as ch), and made double letters (Like the L/R) into one letter. (In this case, an L) The ㅇ is used as a placeholder (I'll explain later) and the sound NG in korean, so I removed that for the time being. So, I ended up with these 13 letters: ㄱ (g), ㄴ (n), ㄷ (d), ㄹ (L - Formally L/R), ㅁ (m), ㅂ (b), ㅅ (s), ㅈ (j), ㅊ (C - Formally CH), ㅋ (k), ㅌ (t), ㅍ (p), ㅎ (h) Now we're getting somewhere, we have 13 consonants and 5 vowels (18 letters all together). Awesome! But we're still missing 8 letters. The first letter I added was W. I used the Korean letter for Wa - 와 (Literally, Oa. (Say it out-loud, then you'll understand what that's used)) for the letter W. Good! Now I had 19 done. The letters I didn't have were: F Q R V X Z and Y After numerous hours going over multiple substitutions and alternative systems. I finally settled upon using the double consonants (mentioned at the top of this post) as the letters F, Q, R, V and Z like so: F = ㅉQ = ㄸR = ㄲV = ㅃZ = ㅆ Ok, 24 done. two left. For X, I brought the NG letter out of the metaphorical trash bin and used that. Now, there's something I should mention before I continue. In Hangul, the writing structure works like this: (C = Consonant, V = Vowel) C V C Example: 맡 M A T Each character is a Consonant, then a vowel beside it, and then a consonant underneath it. Now, if a word starts with a vowel, or has a vowel with no consonant preceding it, we use a placeholder. (The ㅇ character. Also NG in Korean, and X in my English system) In a case like this, we'd structure it like this: (P = Placeholder) P V C Example: 앝 * A T You may be saying "That's all fine Akiba, but what do I do if I have a word that has two vowels?" Well curious user, this is what we do: We simply remove the consonant from the bottom of the character, and start a new character. Like so: (Using the word heat as an example) HE * A T ( 허앝 ) OK, now that we have sorted out. We just have to finish out the last letter: Y. Korean has support for Y being the second letter in a word (Like: Hyuna, Kyun, etc.), but nothing that allows for a Y on it's own. (Like starting the word "Yes", or ending the word "Many") Most online translators usually translate the letter Y to the korean character for Ui, or 위, so I settled on that. There we go! Now we have all the letters we need. Now, how do we use this? How to use Hangul-English Using Hangul-English is quite simple! First, I should specify some basic korean writing rules. 1. If a vowel starts a word, or has no consonant preceding it, put the placeholder character ㅇ in front of it. 2. If you need to put two vowels, or two consonants in a row. Put the first letter down and then start a new character -- Vowels: Eg. Meet: 머엍 (Notice the placeholder at the begining of the second character? That's there because there is no consonant before the E in the character) -- Consonants: Butt: 붙트 (Notice the line underneath the T in the last character? That's there to specify that there aren't any other letters in the character.) 3. For numerous technical and linguistic issues in the Korean language, you can not end a character with letters ㅉ, ㄸ orㅃ (In Hangul-English, these are F, Q and V respectively), and you must start a new character instead. ( Eg. Gav = 가쁘 ) 4. (This only applies to Hangul-English, this doesn't happen in normal Korean) You can never start a character with the letter ㅇ (X), This is because it is used as both a placeholder and the letter X. If you want to start a word with the letter X, it must be it's own character, to let the reader know it's not a placeholder. Like so: Xeno = 으어노. Note: a character can still end with a ㅇ, because a placeholder is never used at the end of a character. 5. Because the letters w ( ㅘ ) and y ( ㅟ ) are built using two vowel letters, they act like vowels in the character structure. So the word Swan is written like 솨안 . Also, because they are treated like vowels, if you start a word with one of them, you must add the placeholder at the begining, like so: What = 와핱 6. In the case that there are 3 consonants in a row, you can occasionally stack consonants on top of each other without having a vowel. like so: 븠프 (BZP) (Note: You must add a line in between the two constants, like you did when there was a single consonant. Eg. 브) 7. If the third letter in a character is a consonant, and the next letter (The first of the next character) is a vowel, move the consonant from the first character to the second, so you don't have to use a placeholder. Like so: Instead of 탗오 (TAC - Placeholder+O), make it 타초 (TA - CO) With these rules in mind, here are the letters of the Hangul-English alphabet. A = ㅏ B = ㅂ C = ㅊ D = ㄷ E = ㅓ F = ㅉ G = ㄱ H = ㅎ I = ㅣ J = ㅈ K = ㅋ L = ㄹ M = ㅁ N = ㄴ O = ㅗ P = ㅍ Q = ㄸ R = ㄲ S = ㅅ T = ㅌ U = ㅜ V = ㅃ W = ㅘ X = ㅇ Y = ㅟ Z = ㅆ Yay! We've learned how to write Hangul-English! Here's some example sentences: My name is Akiba = 뮈 나머 잇 아키바 This site is known as BZP = 트힛 와업시터 잇 크노완 앗 븠프 Two matoran walk into a bar = 톼오 마토깐 왈크 인토 아 밖 If you have any questions, feel free to ask me! -TheAkihabara "Akiba"
  3. So this has been an ongoing side project for a friend at work, as aforementioned. It was pretty time consuming to transfer the information to blog format, so for those interested, I have a dropbox link to where I've uploaded lessons II through VI, for your convenience. Also I attached the combined PDF to the blog entry, but I'm not sure what that actually does? Hopefully, I'll be able to keep making these, as I've rather enjoyed it! Overview of the lessons (again, I must reiterate the disclaimer that this is not by any means pedagogically sound, just meant to be informative and hopefully interesting) Lesson 1 - (also found here, previous blog entry) basic syllable structure, introduction to tonal system and what Pinyin is. Lays out different types of Chinese characters and how to begin making sense of them. Lesson 1.5 - Explanation of Radicals, collected from around the internet and various textbooks, and includes a list of the most common radicals and their forms as they show up in different characters. Can help one feel more comfortable looking at characters, hopefully being able to recognize different parts of otherwise unfamiliar symbols. Bonus: small section on Chinese words in Avatar: the Last Airbender, from off the top of my head. Favorite is the Dai Li agents, which I actually didn't realize was a play on words at first. 带dài means to wear, as in, an article of clothing, and 笠lì is one of those pointed bamboo hats. Alternatively, 代理dàilǐ means 'to act on behalf of, serve as agent or proxy'. Lesson 2 - Goes over character stroke order basics (there is a proper stroke order, and while it's impossible to enforce one follow it, Chinese people will definitely judge you if you have bad stroke order XD source: was judged). Basic dialogue introduction and vocabulary to go with. Introductions, nationalities. Basic verb introduction and classifier introduction. Also introduction to numbers and saying when your birthday is, as numbers open up basically the entire calendar to you. This is the longest lesson. Lesson 3 - prepositions, more basic dialogues (greetings) that would be useful for small talk, like "good morning", "How is work" , "I'm tired" etc. Simple question formation. Lesson 4 - family words, and there are a TON, and not all covered in the lesson. Family based dialogues and sentences, like "this is my mom/dad, this is my younger/older brother/sister." Also some holiday vocabulary. Lesson 5 - More verb stuff. There's a review of how verbs in English work, and a comparison to how they work in Chinese. Kind of a more detailed repeat of the verb section from Lesson 2. Also affirmation/negation basics. (because there's not really one way to say 'yes' or 'no', it depends on the verb used) Lesson 6 - a big list of the common verbs and question words, and example sentences and their translations to look over. The largest influx of new vocabulary is here, without huge explanations about that vocabulary (probably will expand on this in later lessons), but for the diligent, I hoped to provide some new words to pour over on their own initiative. As a bonus here, this is the most complicated Chinese character - their version of 'antidisestablishmentarianism', so to speak - not used in everyday life and more of a fun language factoid than anything else. (source: Helpful wikipedia) This is biáng, and it's a type of noodle. 'biángbiáng' noodle, is what I'm pretty sure they're called. So you'd have to write this baby twice XD From various internet sources (also Chinese teacher blogs) , it's that broad flat type of noodle, and the character is an onomatopoeia for the sound made by stretching/smacking the noodles, but also a visual pun because it's so tangled. The simplified version of the character has 42 strokes, the traditional version has 58. I have no desire to learn how to write this character. But, if you want to learn it, the good news is that you'll master a good chunk of other characters that biáng contains while you're at it. How To Impress Your Sister with Chinese Parts 1-6.pdf
  4. I absolutely love the rich history of the language and the culture, and it's personally significant as part of my heritage. It's not my first language, but it was my major in university. However, being out of school for almost 3 years now, I've been out of practice. There's no one in my area who speaks the language, sadly but understandably. So when a coworker recently asked me to help him learn a bit of Chinese because his older sister spent time working as a linguist out of Taiwan, I was pretty stoked. Here are some of the worksheets/lessons I whipped up for him, and I figured they'd be cool to share, in case any of you guys wanted an informal introduction to the language. The worksheets were made in microsoft word and I did my best to informally cite the screenshots on the same page. I'll also try and explain in typing what I explained to my coworker during breaks during our 'lesson time', although some of the typed explanation may be redundant redundant to the worksheets. Page 1, worksheet 1 Characters: 你好 Pinyin: Nǐ hǎo! English: Hello! Pinyin system was actually developed to raise literacy rates among the Chinese people, not for foreigners to learn Chinese easier, although it definitely helps with that. It uses the latin alphabet and tone marks to represent the pronunciation of their corresponding characters. As you can probably tell, there's not a huge combination of syllables available with the above listed consonants and vowels (initials and finals). Even if you add in tonal variations, there's still a very limited number of syllable combinations available, which is why the richness of etymology is found in the characters themselves, not necessarily their phonological counterparts (the pronunciation). But more on that later. Tones. Four tones in Mandarin, more in Cantonese, although people tell my different answers when I ask exactly how many are in Cantonese. But both (all) Chinese dialects use the same writing system of characters. (however, some places use traditional characters, and other places use simplified characters, but that's another topic). Tones were and still are one of the most challenging aspects of the Chinese language for me to really 'get'. It's not something a lot of native English speakers have a trained ear for, and, quite frankly, many don't see the importance of getting the tones right (myself included, on my grumpy days). Luckily, with the aforementioned low combination of syllables in the language, Chinese is a highly contextual language, and so the odds are, if you mess up your tones, people will have a general idea what you're talking about. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to speak correctly. Example: A fellow Chinese major, a few years ahead of me, told us a story from his own time studying abroad in China. Their assignment for the weekend was to go do something, and tell the class about it the following Monday using new vocabulary or whatever. Pretty standard assignment. My classmate said, "I went to go see the pandas!" But he pronounced it wrong. 熊猫 xióngmāo, panda, literally the characters for 'bear' and 'cat'. What he said was: 胸 毛 xiōng máo, which means 'chest hair'. Consider yourselves tonally warned Notes on the pronunciation of consonants, as not all of them are the same in English as they are in Mandarin/Chinese. (If I mention 'Chinese', I'm talking about Mandarin Chinese, and all characters are simplified, as opposed to traditional). q - this is like a blend between 'ts' and 'ch'. x- this consonant is pronounced almost like an 's', but your tongue is constricting the airflow against the back of your upper teeth, as opposed to that little ridge where the roof of your mouth and your upper teeth meet (called the alveolar ridge). Kind of like a snake hissing, but shorter and a bit more forceful. r- the tip of the tongue is curled back and up toward the roof of the moth - more retroflexed - than an (American) English 'r'. If listeners and/or enunciators aren't careful, it can sound like 'l'. c - the most common way I hear this sound explained to native English speakers. Say the word "cats". Then say "-ats". Then just say "- - ts", and that's the sound. For the vowels, also called finals, since they form the final part of a syllable, throw out English rules about combining vowel sounds. If you grew up with 'when two vowels go walking, the first one does the talking', that doesn't apply to Pinyin. Vowels are annoying in pretty much every language, as far as I know, so if you have more questions about them here, I'm not the person to ask XD Page 2, worksheet 1 我 - wǒ - this is the character for the first person singular. I, me, my, so on. A language professor from my semester abroad in Shanghai explained that the pronoun's roots mean essentially 'the part of we that is not king'. I'm not sure how figurative that is, but it really highlights the deep roots of collectivism in the culture. More literally, the character is comprised of two radicals (the components of a character that can be broken down, similar but not the same as how we have morphemes, small units of meaning in our language. example: cats is two morphemes. "cat", the feline, and "-s" suffix, the plural indicator). The radicals in 我 are 手 shǒu, which is a hand, and 戈 gē, which is dagger or axe or tool. A hand holding a tool, or a laborer. And the emperor had his own formal pronoun that only he was allowed to use, back in the day, and he also doesn't have to work the fields or anything, so everyone else who did had to develop their own way to refer to themselves, as well. Under the pictographs section, you can probably see the connections between the characters and their meanings, which is essentially the meaning of the term 'pictograph'. If you wanna see really cool stuff, you can look into the ancient oracle bone script. Simple ideographs are fun and I also find them humorous. 凹 āo by itself means concave. 凸 tū by itself means convex. Isn't it great?? Now, compound these simple ideographs and you get 凹凸 āotū, which means 'bumpy'. Chinese is full of these compounds, some pretty close to literal, like above, and some requiring a bit more abstraction. Probably more on those later. Lastly, a note on the semantic-phonetic compounds. Semantics, for those wondering, is kind of like the meaning(s) behind the words (semantics is the difference between your big sister and your large sister), and phonetics is the actual sounds made by the vocal tract. So take a look at the characters listed under the semantic-phonetic section. 叫,吃,味,唱 You see what they have in common? The radical they have in common? It's that little box on the left of each character, which is the 口 kǒu radical. If you remember from the pictograph section, 口 kǒu is 'mouth'. You can see the semantic meaning the 'mouth' radical adds to the words for 'to be named/called', 'to eat', 'to taste', and 'to sing'. Anyways, that's it for part 1. I'll try and post/adapt more of these as I develop them and find the time! Also a disclaimer, the lessons don't really follow any pedagogy or methodology for developing Chinese fluency, but more like what I thought were relevant factoids and stuff I find fascinating at every level of learning the language that I think I can explain to a person who knows little or nothing about it without overwhelming them.
  5. ---*NOTE: THE MATORAN ENCODING HAS BEEN UPDATED, PLEASE RE-INSTALL THE SOFTWARE*--- For the past few days, I've been working on encoding the Matoran alphabet into the Unicode Private use area. I've encoded letters "A" through "Z", as well as two versions of "Å", the letters "Ä", "Æ", "Ö", and "Ø". I've also encoded numbers "0" through "9" and a Period, Hyphen, and Three Virtues Symbol. Below are all of the encoded characters, they will appear as boxes until you installed the font.                    The files include 3 keyboard layouts in a .bundle file and a font, called Matoran Elliptical with 3 weights: Regular, Light, & Bold, as well as oblique (italic) and a style in which the characters are tilted to the left, called tilt. You can see a type specimen here. The file contains instructions for macOS, I have no idea if a .bundle file will work on Windows and, furthermore, no method of making a Windows keyboard layout as all I have is a Mac, sorry Windows users! The files for macOS can be downloaded here. Just the font and .bundle keyboard layout can be downloaded here. To see the characters on your browser you need to change your browser's default font to the one included with the above file. If you want to make a font that subscribes to this encoding you can find an encoding chart in the macOS files under 'reference'. If you do make such a font then post it in the comments and I'll add it to this post. Also, if anyone makes a keyboard layout for Windows then post a link, I'll add it to the post. Thanks for reading, I hope you enjoy this encoding of the Matoran alphabet!
  6. Just a day or two ago, a topic started by -Takua- on deciphering the Gen2 runes made the front page. Naturally, it got a lot of traffic and many replies. There was, and still is, a great amount of excitement over a new BIONICLE language. Unfortunately, among many of the objective posts (most posts were either off topic or approval of adding a new language), the general concensus is that these symbols do not, as of this time, have any meaning and are simply decoration. Given the LEGO Group's aptness to heavily incorporate the old Matoran Language into the first generation before it became expected to do so, if these symbols do not mean anything, it is unlikely that they ever will. However, at least from what I have heard, LEGO has been known to accept fan input for the BIONICLE story from time to time. What I suggest is the creation of a fan-developed language, one using few other symbols outside of the ones featured in the shorts and inscribed on the Mask of Creation. This is really a time to be creative, so don't feel confined to the English alphabet (or grammar, for that matter). Get creative enough, and we just might be able to give a meaning to that endlessly repeating string of non-repeating characters. Before attempting to start this puzzler, I recommend seeing -Takua-'s post as well as SkullKid's (towards the end) as they are the most informative (there are a lot of posts). Even if LEGO still never gives the runes a meaning, this could be a sort of ongoing project/puzzle to give meaning to the meaningless; a "fanonical" language if you will, which is better than none at all. Feel free to post your thoughts even if they only are half baked. A fragment of an idea just may prove inspirational to someone else. NOTE: There still is a chance that these symbols do indeed currently have a meaning, it is just unlikely.
  7. Working retail, I interact with a lot of people. More than I'd care to on a daily basis. And people, as a whole, seem to like to talk a lot. Again, more than I'd care to let my ears hear. So, the less words said the better, right? One thing that I really can not stand is the phrase "you know" when describing something. It's as bad as "like," "um," and "uh," when it comes to filler. Something involuntary to cause a pause when your brain can't quite put the right words in order in conversation. Whenever a customer (or even someone closer actually conversing) injects "you know" into their sentence when going into detail on something to better help me understand, my immediate thought is, "No, I don't know, that's why you're telling me." I'm not perfect either, but it's a habit I've broken pretty well. I've even winced when I said it recently. I just need a super-villain weapon that changes the brain waves of everyone across the world to be more precise with their language! -CF
  8. How and why did Chutespeak/Treespeak develop, and how come only the Le-Matoran use it? Also, how they remember it after being in the Matoran pods?
  9. I recall there being an old thread about the other languages BZP members speak. It could be interesting to compare the languages we all speak/write/read/understand here, and perhaps also discuss methods for learning other languages. Foreign languages and linguistics are two of my biggest passions, and it'd be great to see who shares them. So: 1. What languages do you speak? 2. How did you learn them? 3. What are your current goals or challenges with other languages? I'll start: I speak English natively and Spanish quite well (as a result of taking several years of Spanish in school). I'm currently learning German (started around the beginning of summer) and increasing my skills in reading French. Has anyone else tried learning to read a foreign language without learning to speak it? I always feel like my French is sub-par because I can write a bit as a result of reading so much, but I regularly mangle the finer aspects of the grammar (e.g., using y and en). I know several people who can speak other languages but not write in them--such as my friends who grew up speaking with immigrant parents but never having to write except in English. - BioGio
  10. I recently discovered on BS01 that baterra can communicate with each other through subsonics. According to my MacBook's dictionary app, subsonics is basically low-speed sound. How exactly would that work?
  11. I just had an odd thought. You know how Matoran was technically meant to be a programming language for robots? And how before Mata Nui, the MU beings couldn't understand SM and BM beings? Is it perhaps because they "speak" Matoran in a different manner than we have been assuming this whole time? In the storyline, Matoran was always written in English (or whatever language you received it in) so we humans could understand it. But could it be possible that various sounds from the English language have more mechanical counterparts, like clicks for "K," "C," and "X," hums for "M," and "N," and whirs for "R?" The vowels, having such a huge part of the Bionicle language, also should have some unique sound. Perhaps the structure of the symbols also have something to do with their pronunciation, like two dots could be a beep (B and W), "X" shapes could have airier sounds. (V, W, X), slashes could be sizzling sounds (S and Z), etc. Basically, how I'm picturing it, this language may sound something like a bird caught in your computer's cooling fan. So, what do you think? Plausible at all? Completely ridiculous?
  12. Over time, languages usually change. For example, in English, "thou" changed to "you", "nought" and "sought" fell out of use, and "shall" is mostly used in formal contexts these days, largely replaced by "will". After 100,000 years of language isolation, shouldn't Bara and Bota Magna inhabitants have some marked language differences? Perhaps not enough to inhibit communication entirely, but enough that the characters would notice it? Why didn't Gelu notice this in his conversation with Kabrua?
  13. Hey, everyone. So, I'm gonna go straight to the point and ask: How many actual languages do we know exist within the BIONICLE world? We know of the Matoran language, that almost everyone in the former MU used to speak; there's the Agori/Glatorian language of Spherus Magna. But is there anything else that we know of, for sure? Another thing is, I believe bonesiii once mentioned that, contrary to popular belief, the "actual" Matoran language wasn't equivalent to English, and neither was Agori. So, that makes me wonder about numerous other things, the most prominent of which is the Matoran alphabet that has been used since 2001. What part of it is actually "culturally correct" from a Matoran's standpoint? Could we assume that their alphabet is indeed what we have seen for years (i.e. essentially the English alphabet with a more dismal graphical interpretation), and it is just their grammar and syntax that are completely different? Or is their alphabet completely different as well?
  14. In the Bionicle Encyclopedia, it says that Nuju decides to only speak the language of rahi (I think). This is further confirmed in MNOLG when he requires Matoro to translate for him. But... In Bionicle the Game (YES, I KNOW THAT GAME IS NOT AT ALL CANON) Nuju speaks to Kopaka. More (canon) and importantly, in comic #1 Nuju speaks directly to him, without any translator. Thoughts?
  15. This is my theory at Agori/Matoran Languages and communication. As everyone knows, or should know, or better know, is that the language in the MU is, well, Matoran. I tried looking up on BS01 to see if any other language is actually spoken in the MU besides Matoran, and that search turned up empty-handed. When the Reformation(or whatever it's "officially" called) happened, the Toa and Glatorians began an attempt to merge the Matoran and Agori populations. Now, I don't know if they spoke the same language, if Mata Nui did some mind-melding on both populations or what, but we do know that the Toa and Glatorians were able to communicate. Matoran, as is believed, is a robotic language. Much like R2-D2, or at least in that neighborhood of language. Agori(and Glatorians) are more organic then metal and gears like the Matoran Universe population. This begs the question: Are their vocal cords organic or is it a mechanical speech box(for lack of a better word. ) like the Matoran? The former is the most likely. With that in mind, it would be near impossible for the Agori to speak Matoran very fluently. Or even clearly. It would be like asking an American Indian, who has only spoken his language his entire life, to communicate with a Japanese man, who also only has spoken his language! There would be no communication except maybe for gestures and the like. Even then, the cultures are so different, the gestures mean different things! Now here's my theory: The Matoran actually don't talk in their robotic language. They actually speak Agori! Their speech boxes are programed to speak Agori. Why? It's simple really! The GB knew that they needed a language for the MU population to use. They didn't exactly have the time to make up a whole new language, now did they? They knew the Shattering was going to happen, so why not just use the language everyone already spoke? Agori. It would solve the communication problem I brought up earlier. With both populations speaking Agori, it would be easier for them to merge together into one population. The language in the MU, Agori, was just named Matoran, for the same reason Agori is named Agori. The Matoran are the largest population group. It makes sense to call the language Matoran. Why call it Vortixx or Skakdi when they make up a smaller group of the total population? TL;DR? Matoran actually speak Agori. Now, I do realize I didn't use the technical terms, but I think I got my point across. Go ahead and pick it apart, I know you people will. If you guys are confused, I'm sorry, but I can only explain it to you, I can't understand it for you. Thanks for reading.
  16. Please move this if it's in the wrong place, thanks.Okay, so, I'm sitting here in math class, with nothing to do (we were told to do an individual worksheet, which I finished early, and the teacher told us that's all we had to do today), so I decided I was going to try and work on an avatar for one of my image-sharing website ID's (the site lets you either use one of your uploaded images, or upload a separate one, which I was trying to create) and I wanted to focus it around the Rahkshi symbol. Well, after I traced and inked the symbol, I was trying to figure out "Now what can I make as the background for this that can represent me?" I once drew (and may still use, though doubtfully) someone wearing a cloak with the symbol on the back, and thought of that, but I used a larger symbol as my tracing base, and thus, it wouldn't work. So I decided to start writing in Matoran.So, as I'm doing this, I'm quoting MoL, and stuff, and I decided to write my user name at the bottom, which ends in the last two digits of my birth year, but as I wrote the "94", I remembered something: on BS01, they have used both the circular and hexagonal (or is it octagonal...?) shapes for numbers that come after 2010 (I think they used the hexagonal 0 for 2010, the 1 for 2011, etc.) and I was wondering: is this just something they did to keep away from confusion, or would this actually work? Should multiples of 10 being hexagonal? Or could it work if they were both circular? I'm wondering because I want it to look right before I scan and upload the image.tl;drAre numbers higher than 10 in the Matoran alphabet supposed to be written with the VN hexagon, or can it be written and, and properly read, if it is a circle?~Tobi
  17. I didn't see this topic anywhere else, and I thought it was a good question:So, the Matoran language is a programming language, like 0's and 1's. But I do have a few questions: first, whenever a weird word (I'll use "Vezon" as an example) is brought up, the story will quickly describe it, saying something along the lines of "vezon is the Matoran word for 'double'." The question is: are beings in the MU always speaking Matoran (with the exclusion of the Skakdi's native tongue)? Seeing as the characters tend to point out specific words, such as "inika", "vezon", etc., is the story just clarifying what the words mean? If this is true, then when a character, such as a Piraka, saw a word and the story said "if [redacted] recalled correctly, [redacted x] was the Matoran word for [redacted y]". Sorry if this is confusing.But this also brings me to my next question: if the MU beings are always speaking Matoran, how did they communicate with the Glatorian/Agori on Bara Magna, who would, theoretically, speak Agori? When Lewa was transported to Bota Magna, he encountered several Agori and was unable to communicate with them, so their language is obviously different. But Tahu and the others were able to communicate with Gresh and friends just fine. Why is this?~Tobi
  18. So, how exactly do the inhabitants of Sherus Magna speak the Matoran Language? It seems pretty odd that they would speak the programming language for a giant robot.
  19. So I went to my first tournament on Saturday. I did extemporaneous speaking and impromptu speaking, which are the two limited preparation events. Extemp gives you a half hour to gather sources, impromptu just gives you two minutes to gather your thoughts (no sources required). I did much better on extemp, actually; but that may be partly because all of the questions were current events questions, and I follow the news closely (and critically; I'm not too trusting). I didn't make finals for either one, though; but hey, it was my first tournament, and I learned alot.
  20. So I am in my school's forensics (public speaking) team. I do extemporaneous (limited preparation), impromptu (pretty much no preparation), informative, and parliamentary (debate) speaking. Our first competition is tomorrow, which means I probably won't be on tomorrow at all. But expect a blog about it Sunday. Anyone else do forensics?
  21. So in preparation for NaNoWriMo I'm working on a conlang. What is a conlang, you ask? A conlang is an articficially constructed language, often created either for intercutural communication (like Esperanto) or for works of fiction (like Tolkien's Elvish languages or Klingon). I am currently working on a language designed to be the language of the human kingdom which is the primary focus of the first part of my story. The language is set up to resemble a generic Indo-European language. What's that mean? Well, the Indo-European language family is the most widespread and widely spoken language family in the world. Its members include English, Spanish, Russian, Greek, Persian, and Hindi. These languages are generally characterized by have a complex, isolating grammar system (that means nouns decline and verbs conjugate by adding prefixes or suffixes); English is an exception here; most of its endings have been whittled away through time. The language I am creating is not an exception. IE languages are also characterized by having a fairly high number of stop (short, hard sounds like "P", "D", "G", "K", etc.) compared to a low number of fricatives (long, hissy sounds like "S", "TH", "V", etc.). Again, English (and in this case its close relatives, like German and Norwegian), is an exception here. And again, my language is not. Vocabulary-wise I've drawn heavily from English, however, but also from Latin and German; once again, it's supposed to be a generic Indo-European language for a generic Indo-European society. So, does anybody else here conlang or enjoy linguistics?
  22. Today in Math, all the boys including myself decided to play a prank where we pretended it was English instead. For example: "What is the Pathagorean Theorem?" "I before E except after C?" "Name a mathematician that lived in ancient Greece." "Robert Frost?" Needless to say, it made for one very confusing and very entertaining period.
  23. ToM Dracone

    Oh Dear

    I just learned about the metathesis of a disyllabic preposition in my Greek class today. I feel somewhere between "... HOLD ME" and "this is the coolest stuff I have ever learned." Discuss. ~ ToM
  24. Because I'm sure these are going to be mentioned and observed and discussed at some point (and some have already), I thought I'd just address all of these here: the 2009 Bionicle names taken from Latin. We might as well start from the beginning. Malum is Latin for "evil." (There is another word malum that means "apple," but we all know which one of the two meanings is relevant here.) Vorox comes from the word vorax, meaning "hungry." Metus is Latin for "fear." Fero is in all probability taken from either ferox, "fierce," or ferus, "wild." Spherus Magna, were it really Latin, would be sphaera magna, meaning "the great sphere/globe/etc." Vulcanus (also spelled Volcanus) is the name of Vulcan, god of fire and metalworking and other related things. Vastus is the word for "empty," "desolate," "ravaged," and other such charming things. Gelu is Latin for "frost." Perditus means "destroyed." Telluris means "of the earth." Bara (as in Magna) and Baranus and Thornatus and other Latin-looking names are not actually Latin. Sorry. I think these are all of them, unless I've missed something. And one doesn't really have to know Latin to see that Skopio was taken from Scorpio. Also, I hereby proclaim Sahmad to have come from the Arabian Nights. An impression which cannot be avoided, since "Samad" actually is an Arabic name. If I ever draw him, he will be weilding a scimitar and will probably end up looking like Jafar. ~ ToM
  25. "Since you cannot be my wife, You will certainly be my tree!" ~ Ovid, Metamorphoses I, 557-558 I want to say this to someone now. Will you be my tree? ~ ToM
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