Popular Post Dark_Stranger Posted January 29, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) I had a brainwave while showing the Toy Fair picture to my little siblings; this is how it goes: The summer villains (with the possible exception of Skull Grinder) are Toa from long ago who have been resurrected as guardians or shock troops. To be put to rest again, they need to don masks of their respective elements. Their boss ( either SG or Makuta himself) points them at the Toa, who must fight off the desperate zombies' attempts to steal their masks, while racing to not only wake Ekimu, but also find their enemies' original masks to return them to the grave. There are two obvious benefits of taking the story in this direction. First, it gives the villains built-in pathos as heroes fallen from grace. Second, it imparts the revelation that there are other Toa out there, plus the ominous subtext that, for all their snazzy upgraded powers, our current heroes could still end up just like the unfortunate forbears they're fighting. I already voiced this little theory in the topic discussing the Toy Fair picture, but I thought I'd release it into the site at large and see how many holes get poked in it. Any thoughts? Edited March 3, 2015 by Black Six 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotcom Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 As i mentioned in the other topic, I don't think Skull Scorpio would fit into this at all. He's far too non-humanoid. Unless the idea is his body got reassembled into a demonic scorpion, though that'd be pretty morbid... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unit#phntk#1 Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 As i mentioned in the other topic, I don't think Skull Scorpio would fit into this at all. He's far too non-humanoid. Unless the idea is his body got reassembled into a demonic scorpion, though that'd be pretty morbid...Given what happened to Nidhiki, that's not too far-fetched. ~Unit#phntk#1 12 Quote BIONICLE MAFIA XLII: GRAVEYARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 On the note of the Scorpion, perhaps it's just one of Okoto's larger, more intelligent creatures (like the LoSS) that has been brought into the service of these undead. Otherwise, I actually like this idea. It sounds a little dark, but LEGO did just do this same thing with the Ice Hunters in Chima, so I'd say it's a possibility. 4 Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippo Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 One theory I heard is that the Skull Squad are the Toa after they failed to save Okoto, and the Toa we have now are actually from an alternate timeline. Hence why the Protectors called them forth, so they could stop them from making the same mistakes again. 11 Quote why is this happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dotcom Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 One theory I heard is that the Skull Squad are the Toa after they failed to save Okoto, and the Toa we have now are actually from an alternate timeline. Hence why the Protectors called them forth, so they could stop them from making the same mistakes again.That...would be kind of awesome. I very much doubt it's the case, but it would be really awesome. Man. Just imagining that. Wow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballom Nom Nom Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 One theory I heard is that the Skull Squad are the Toa after they failed to save Okoto, and the Toa we have now are actually from an alternate timeline. Hence why the Protectors called them forth, so they could stop them from making the same mistakes again.So ... who had the misfortune to become the scorpion? Honestly, I think attempts to explain these new villains as being former Toa of any kind are rather absurd. They seem to be fairly clearly unrelated to the Toa, and more in the theme of corrupted local beings like the 2001 Rahi, I'd say. ~B~ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Nui Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 One theory I heard is that the Skull Squad are the Toa after they failed to save Okoto, and the Toa we have now are actually from an alternate timeline. Hence why the Protectors called them forth, so they could stop them from making the same mistakes again.That...would be kind of awesome. I very much doubt it's the case, but it would be really awesome. Man. Just imagining that. Wow. That would be very awesome, indeed, but I personally highly doubt it will be a canon part of the the story. Dark Stranger's theory is also pretty awesome, but I'm not sure of it actually ending up to be a part of the story. Sure, Legends of Chima's "Fire vs. Ice" era was a bit dark, and Ninjago's recent two years have been dark as well, but we're only in the first year still. However, it is Bionicle, so it might happen. I'm not too sure at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldero Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 One theory I heard is that the Skull Squad are the Toa after they failed to save Okoto, and the Toa we have now are actually from an alternate timeline. Hence why the Protectors called them forth, so they could stop them from making the same mistakes again.That...would be kind of awesome. I very much doubt it's the case, but it would be really awesome. Man. Just imagining that. Wow. After all, who what ever happened to the sixth Toa in the team? Is he/she the Lord of Skull Spiders, but mutated in the same way Skull Scorpio was? Quote < -< =<o>= >- > Ha! I tricked you into reading my signature! < -< =<o>= >- > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 While I find it unlikely, I appreciate your approach to the theory. Quote save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordianL at the BCC Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 If this is going to happen, it would probably be in the novels. The animations would never go this in-depth. I like this theory, but why do they have to be Toa? Why can't they just be generic warriors who fell in the past, or amalgamations of those who did not make it out of the Ancient City before it collapsed? Quote My YouTube Channel My imgur albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 If this is going to happen, it would probably be in the novels. The animations would never go this in-depth. I like this theory, but why do they have to be Toa? Why can't they just be generic warriors who fell in the past, or amalgamations of those who did not make it out of the Ancient City before it collapsed?I think most people will assume that they're generic warriors. In fact, that's likely how the official plot is going to go. But people are trying to come up with alternate theories that are more interesting than generic ancient soldiers. 1 Quote save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 One theory I heard is that the Skull Squad are the Toa after they failed to save Okoto, and the Toa we have now are actually from an alternate timeline. Hence why the Protectors called them forth, so they could stop them from making the same mistakes again.That...would be kind of awesome. I very much doubt it's the case, but it would be really awesome. Man. Just imagining that. Wow. After all, who what ever happened to the sixth Toa in the team? Is he/she the Lord of Skull Spiders, but mutated in the same way Skull Scorpio was? Who says every Toa team has 6 members, especially in the rebooted story? 3 Quote The artist formerly known as ŜﮞρЄЯ־GЄNіﮞŜ־CЯЄ▲Ŧ۞Я BBC#69 Entry: Roodaka - Master of Manipulation BFTGM entries: Zigben · Ventox · Deflecto “Hail Denmark.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidhiki of the Shadows Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I'd really like this actually, it would do a lot for the world-building for this generation and also create some pretty formidable adversaries. I also like your idea of them not being able to be put to rest until they wear their respective elemental mask - in a way, that kind of mirrors the Shadow Toa in 2001 where the Toa themselves had to learn to accept their darkness. In this case, they'd have to learn that reckless behavior may lead them down the path these "undead" Toa went. -NotS 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akavakaku Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I think the decayed state of the Skull Soldiers is also symbolically important: The Toa are "timeless", while their enemies are ragged and decayed, the exact opposite. 6 Quote ( The bunny slippers hiss and slither into the shadows. ) -Takuaka: Toa of TimeWhat if the Toa you know best were not destined to be? Interchange: The epic begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Destroyer Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I'd really like this actually, it would do a lot for the world-building for this generation and also create some pretty formidable adversaries. I also like your idea of them not being able to be put to rest until they wear their respective elemental mask - in a way, that kind of mirrors the Shadow Toa in 2001 where the Toa themselves had to learn to accept their darkness. In this case, they'd have to learn that reckless behavior may lead them down the path these "undead" Toa went. -NotS Exactly! It would be a great addition to the story of G2, especially considering we didn't really get "undead" villains back in G1. Quote Thank you to the Dark Beings Banner and Avatar Shop for the banner! Brickshelf Gallery BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorahk1Panrahk2 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) Although it's true that the skeleton guys will probably be generic fallen warriors... what are they fallen from? We haven't seen anything on the island that look remotely like the skeleton guys. The protectors are too small, and the animations seem to imply that Ekimu and Makuta aren't much larger. The scorpion thing might be a Rahi (or equivalent), but what about the humanoids? They're clearly connected to the elemental masks in some way or else they wouldn't come with them. And those masks look semi-corrupted. Maybe the character's weren't Toa specifically, but they were previous guardians of the Ancient City who tried to wear the elemental masks and got overloaded with power? Hence why the elemental masks were scattered and hidden so no one else would be tempted to try them on. I'm just making guesses here. I'm sure we'll get something more substantial realted to these things when summer hits. Edited February 3, 2015 by Vorahk1Panrahk2 3 Quote BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akavakaku Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I like that idea! Maybe they were once villagers, but cursed when they tried to use the elemental masks. Quote ( The bunny slippers hiss and slither into the shadows. ) -Takuaka: Toa of TimeWhat if the Toa you know best were not destined to be? Interchange: The epic begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidhiki of the Shadows Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Exactly! It would be a great addition to the story of G2, especially considering we didn't really get "undead" villains back in G1. I think the only time they ever ventured into undeath/reanimation was with the Kanohi Tryna in 2007, and it was actually a pretty cool conflict where Matoro felt a dark side coming over him because controlling the dead is inherently a corrupt trait. If they can emulate that and build upon it, we'll have some really interesting moralistic conflict this year (assuming they go the undead route). -NotS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xabla Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 One theory I heard is that the Skull Squad are the Toa after they failed to save Okoto, and the Toa we have now are actually from an alternate timeline. Hence why the Protectors called them forth, so they could stop them from making the same mistakes again.I would really like that. But how do Tahu and Gali fit in? 1 Quote cringe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyreFyre Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) I had the same idea about the new villains, glad to see I'm not alone. Its probably because the skeletal-themed villains evoke the idea of being un-dead. I do have a feeling they are some kind of resurrected warrior, and I hope Lego ends up going with that story line. I can kinda see how the skull guys would be fallen versions of the toa, as each shares characteristics with the toa whose mask the set comes with. warrior & kopaka: the warrior is an archer, so like kopaka you could say both have the ability to judge an object's position at long distancesslicer & lewa: both seem quite agilebasher & onua: they lift, as in both have a very bulky buildscorpio & pohatu: when most people think of scorpions, they think of the desert I hope the tahu and gali masks come with some sort of titan, miss the big bionicle sets Edited February 5, 2015 by LyreFyre 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prowl Nightwolf Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Although it's true that the skeleton guys will probably be generic fallen warriors... what are they fallen from? We haven't seen anything on the island that look remotely like the skeleton guys. The protectors are too small, and the animations seem to imply that Ekimu and Makuta aren't much larger. The scorpion thing might be a Rahi (or equivalent), but what about the humanoids? They're clearly connected to the elemental masks in some way or else they wouldn't come with them. And those masks look semi-corrupted. Maybe the character's weren't Toa specifically, but they were previous guardians of the Ancient City who tried to wear the elemental masks and got overloaded with power? Hence why the elemental masks were scattered and hidden so no one else would be tempted to try them on. I'm just making guesses here. I'm sure we'll get something more substantial realted to these things when summer hits. I like that idea! Maybe they were once villagers, but cursed when they tried to use the elemental masks.Well if the transformation of Makuta is any inkling of the possibility of trying to wear a mask that is too powerful for you to control I could see this as a viable possibility. Though I still hold the idea that somehow the LOSS is connected to Makuta in some way along the lines of maybe being what became of Makuta, Should this idea be true in that both the Transforming Makuta and the LoSS have primarily black armor with red accent could lean credit to the idea that the Skull Scorpio being a mutated warrior. Now what do we know about these summer sets? From the pulled animation it showed the Toa entering the great City followed by an undead hand bursting forth from the ground yes? So what can we surmise from this? The new villains are located in the ruins, and were buried and hereby believed dead. Add in their skull motifs and it is a dead ringer. Sorry had to put that in there. Anyway it is safe to say that whatever or whomever these Skull villains were they were buried in the city. Be it before Ekimu slept or after the place was abandoned. Regardless it is a safe bet they are now undead villains. Morbid or not The Toa got Okotoian zombies on their hands. 3 Quote "A stranger will always be a stranger unless you give them a chance." || <- My Pokémon | BZPRPG Characters: Po-Matoran Doseki & Nui-Jaga Scorpio; Ga-Matoran Orca Matoran und Panzer: Doseki & Glitch | Marvel RP PC | Mata Nui Monopoly: Come... Own a piece of the legend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gresh113 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Tahu would be Skull grinder, seeing as Skull Grinder seems to be the leader. Quote [Error 404: Awesome signature not found] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Smoke Monster Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I like this this theory a lot. It would definitely be a great twist for the second half of this year's story. It would also bring a tragic feel to the story, especially for the villains. Quote Everyone is one choice away from being the bad guy in another person's story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xan Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) The theory of these villains being older versions of the Toa could make for a really good story, even if it isn't cannon. What if the half translucent masks were stolen from the current Toa by the villains, so they could reclaim their old masks back? The translucent part representing the masks slowly being drained of power by these new villains. Skull grinder could either have been an old Toa zombified to restore his former glory, or was the original user of the Mask of Creation, overthrowing Ekimu. The gold masks could have been placed around the island by the protectors for these new Toa to find, originally used by the dead Toa. Maybe the protectors invaded the island a long time ago and the skull warriors were the past inhabitants. Or there were two intelligent species on Okoto that went to war in the ancient past. What if these skull guys were once war lords like the Barraki? There could have been Toa long ago who stopped these guys from invading, and Makuta has taken control over the corpses. Of course though, this is all speculation and wishful thinking. I just hope it isn't a cliche story and has some interesting plot twists. Lego could make a really cool,tragic and dark, yet compelling story here. Take notes from this thread Lego! Edited February 15, 2015 by Craig B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Votuko Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Now that we've seen box images from New York Toy Fair, there may be an issue with this theory. Skull Warrior's box art shows lots of other Skull Warrior-type figures in the background, suggesting that it is not a unique character; rather, it is a generic soldier from some sort of skull army. That doesn't really fit with the idea of the Skull villains being past Toa, because now rather than a team of five, there would need to have been possibly tens of Toa. Edited February 15, 2015 by Xelphene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon~ Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I'm still just wondering whats the deal with Gali and Tahu? Like there's obviously something special about those two since there's no half mask for them.. Quote Archon *** "For one to truly feel alive, the person must kill oneself a little bit each and every day." Check out my MOC, one of the new generation of Toa on Spherus Magna! ***Toa Kyraan*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrie Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Maybe the protectors invaded the island a long time ago and the skull warriors were the past inhabitants. Or there were two intelligent species on Okoto that went to war in the ancient past. What if these skull guys were once war lords like the Barraki?Although I don't know the likelihood of this becoming the real case, I think that it would be my favorite. Plus, that would get us a chance to explore a whole new land, the place that the protectors came from! I'm still just wondering whats the deal with Gali and Tahu? Like there's obviously something special about those two since there's no half mask for them..Good point. I'm still trying to figure that out myself. Edited February 15, 2015 by The Irrational Rock Quote bZpOwEr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-14 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I like the theory, but it might be hard to pull off. If they really are heroes from long ago, wouldn't they have had carvings about them where the ones about the Toa are? Unless they were heroes of the Lost City, where we might see carvings of them there The reanimation part is great here, since it could be jumbles of bones mixed together, but the old hero thing is a bit far-reaching Quote BZPRPG: Akamu, Toa of Ice Talk to me about Destiny! Ask me about stuttering and speech impediments!//Feel free to talk about Dungeons and Dragons with me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderscoreChronix Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Maybe...Grinder = FireSlicer = Air/Jungle (chains = vines?)Basher = EarthWarrior = IceScorpio = Stone The Toa of Water survived and went into hiding somewhere on Okoto. (Perhaps a Toa of Water who goes by the name of Helryx) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob the Janitor Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I doubt all of them are undead Toa, but maybe a few of them... but I was really hoping for skull rollers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regitnui Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Maybe...Grinder = FireSlicer = Air/Jungle (chains = vines?)Basher = EarthWarrior = IceScorpio = Stone The Toa of Water survived and went into hiding somewhere on Okoto. (Perhaps a Toa of Water who goes by the name of Helryx)Still doesn't account for the dramatic physical changes. Say we have the stone Toa completely dead, and his spirit possessing the body of a scorpion. Quote Elemental Rahi in Gen2, anyone? A write-up for an initial video for a G2 plot I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madu Cabolo Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 This theory is incredibly interesting. I'm sort of on the line as to whether I buy it or not. Skull Scorpio (and even Skull Slicer) must have been SEVERELY mutated to reach the point we saw in the toy fair pictures. Furthermore, the box pictures show that there is an army of the skull creatures, so they are probably not a toa team but more of army fodder.However, the melded masks reinforce the idea that they were some sort of Elemental Master being (since it seems they're not called toa anymore). Skull Grinder also has a rather Master-like stature. For me, the interest of the villains lies in the masks. Why are they seeking these masks? What are their powers? Have the masks been mutated, etc? Aside from the theory, I really like the symbolism of the Masters falling from the sky, while the villains crawl out of the earth. It's a nice juxtaposition whether the Skull villains are Masters or not. Quote ~Madu- <}> <}> ~ RPG Profiles: Cresk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterchirox580 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I like the idea but I don't think that will be the case, for one thing I don't think toa would look like scorpions or have horns, not to mention the animations and all story material we've gotten so far seem to suggest the current toa are the first in the G2 universe. Quote It's time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Votuko Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Why is this theory being featured now? When it was posted, it was possible and was a very cool idea, and would have made sense to be featured.Since then, however, we have seen the box art for Skull Warrior, which shows many more Skull Warriors in the background. Surely the need for a swarm of identical past-Toa almost certainly disproves the theory? (Sorry to be a spoil-sport. ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob the Janitor Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Then where do the other Toa come in? Because there had to at least been some before our current ones. Otherwise, how would the Protectors know what a Toa was or what they looked like, or the kind of powers they had? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa of Gallifrey Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Sounds a bit like the witches in Puella Magi Madoka Magica. I'd love something like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madu Cabolo Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Then where do the other Toa come in? Because there had to at least been some before our current ones. Otherwise, how would the Protectors know what a Toa was or what they looked like, or the kind of powers they had? Well, the protectors have some kind of astrology or prophecy knowledge, as revealed in Episode 1. Also, it seems they're not called "Toa" anymore, but "Masters." Quote ~Madu- <}> <}> ~ RPG Profiles: Cresk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IXRollOutIX Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Then where do the other Toa come in? Because there had to at least been some before our current ones. Otherwise, how would the Protectors know what a Toa was or what they looked like, or the kind of powers they had? Well, the protectors have some kind of astrology or prophecy knowledge, as revealed in Episode 1. Also, it seems they're not called "Toa" anymore, but "Masters." They're called Toa multiple times in the animations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSciFiGuy Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 It would be great if they were more than "generic warriors", as I expect them to be (or something like multiples of each). This idea of undead/past heroes would really added some depth that we all crave in this new storyline. Quote Bionicle: ANP aims to create narrated versions of all the Bionicle books, with voice actors for each character, and music taken from various media to enhance the story. Check here if you're interested in voicing a character, and here for the chapters that've already been released!Formerly: Tahu Nuva 3.0Looking for a Bionicle Beanie. Black one with the symbol on it. Contact me if you are willing to sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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