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This is an idea I've had in my head for a while now. If you have ever taken a look at BS01's Unnamed Species list, you'll find there's a ridiculous number of sapient species in the MU. Many of them come from the Barraki, OoMN, and Dark Hunters, of which most had their own species.

 

So, I was wondering if there was any potential for overlap? The MU is an interesting place. Toa, Matoran, and Skakdi have elemental subspecies. Perhaps in the others there could be more drastic appearance changes between the elements. For example, Lurker could be a the fire equivalent of, say, Guardian's species. Many of the changes could be accounted for by the mutations and experiments that seem to define Dark Hunters.

 

Despite this, I would not say the Barraki are all one variations of one species. That seems rather unfair for Mata Nui to privilege one species over all the others in the MU. But I suppose the option is open.

 

So, are there any overlaps you can think of? Perhaps Darkness could be of Brutaka's species, or Conjurer could be a Vortixx (advanced technology passed off as magic?), Triglax could be a Krahka (she's not on the list, but I would say she would be at least as intelligent as he is, and his employment might mean they would have little contact, and others would not realize what they are given shapeshifting powers), and Vanisher could be a member of Botar's species (perhaps a little farfetched given his appearance).

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I've been thinking the same thing for a long time. Too many unnamed species. 

 

It's been stated that the Barraki were of different races from the beginning, so that ends there. But the others you have suggested, I can go along with. Conjurer doesn't look too much like a Vortixx, but that doesn't mean he didn't rebuild himself. Darkness doesn't look too much like Brutaka, but I can see where you'd get that from.

 

Triglax... being another surviving krahka? I like that! :D

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That seems rather unfair for Mata Nui to privilege one species over all the others in the MU.

Makuta.

Also, the whole "Mata Nui is a huge organism" thing (which I honestly despise, but nonethless) suggests that there should be specialised species, which basically means being privileged over all the others in some area (matoran as privileged maintenance workers, vortixx as privileged technicians etc.)

 

Also, too many unnamed species just to justify the sets and MOCs.

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Given that the majority of these species appear to come from random Dark Hunters that never appeared outside of that book, how about just throwing out pretty much all of those groups directly, and having most Dark Hunters be Skakdi, Vortixx, Steltians, and so on. That seems much simpler to me, although I agree a few existing Dark Hunters could be recategorized among some species we know.

 

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I think we can agree on 5 major species, Matoran, Vortixx, Skakdi, Ehlek's underwater species (Ehlekian), and Makuta. Of those, I'm not even sure if the Skakdi count as major outside their home island. Great Being-created creatures should also be its own category, even if Artakha and the Bahrag have nothing else in common.

 

Many of the other 'unique' beings in the MU could be considered Kal, or mutants. That accounts for ninety percent of the DH. It's also entirely possible the other species of the MU have similar life cycles to the Matoran/Toa/Turaga.

 

There's no major reason why we have all these extra species other than lazy writing. If we fans put our mind to it, I'm sure we can clean things up.

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I think we can agree on 5 major species, Matoran, Vortixx, Skakdi, Ehlek's underwater species (Ehlekian), and Makuta. Of those, I'm not even sure if the Skakdi count as major outside their home island. Great Being-created creatures should also be its own category, even if Artakha and the Bahrag have nothing else in common.

 

Many of the other 'unique' beings in the MU could be considered Kal, or mutants. That accounts for ninety percent of the DH. It's also entirely possible the other species of the MU have similar life cycles to the Matoran/Toa/Turaga.

 

There's no major reason why we have all these extra species other than lazy writing. If we fans put our mind to it, I'm sure we can clean things up.

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Off the bat I think we could put Primal and Seeker into the same species, since they both look like 4-legged insectoids.

 

Or how about Dweller and Vanisher?  They seem fairly similar aswell. 

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okay, so i cobbled together a list of only the most noteworthy species, mostly named ones, a lot of the other guys i think? could fit in here?

 

Matoran
----Toa
----Turaga
----Bohrok

Agori
----Glatorian
----Skrall

Skakdi

Vortixx

Makuta

Zyglak

Kestora

Ehlekian*

Takadox's species#

Kalmah's species#

Pridak's species#

Mantax's species#

Carapar's species#

Botar**

"Bruisers"

Steltians***

TSO's Species

 

Brutaka, axonn, hydraxon, and lariskas mask-wearing, powerless species.


*ehlek's unnamed species.

**individual, species is unnamed.

***if it sounds made up, it's a temp name.

#may be an already listed species.

 

is this helpful at all? o:

it's kinda a shame we can't get any mroe official namesfor some of them. :t

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So let me tell you a bit about Klaanon.

 

Klaanon or "Clanon" is the absolutely massive shared Bionicle universe, story and canon of a Finnish sort-of Bionicle community called "Bio-Klaani". It is less of an alternate universe and more like a full-on deconstruction and reinterpretation of the main Bionicle storyline. Our focus is on the best years, which we almost universally consider to be the first two or three, and we've cut out pretty much everything after Mata Nui's awakening. Bara Magna is a big no-no, because this really makes for a more interesting and subdued universe.

Of course we've done a complete and total overhaul of all the species based on little hints from the original canon and some really sweet worldbuilding of our own. I'll sum up all the new races we've come up with and the old ones we've given names to. Some of it isn't all that relevant for this topic, but I thought you might be interested.

 

Steltian Ogres or as you've known them so far, Krekka's race. Just like in the canon, they are the working class of Stelt.

 

Steltian Aristocrats or Sidorak's, Voporak's, and - shocking twist - Brutaka's race is the ruling class of Stelt. We felt that visually, Brutaka has a lot in common with Sidorak. He's tall, lean and long-limbed and has a lot of the same "tube" look. Aristocrats have the potential for Kanohi usage, but most of them don't have a mind strong enough to withstand the power.

 

Selakh or Selakhians or Pridak's race is a species of long, thin, pale and somewhat Toa-like creatures with two rows of tiny sharp teeth in their mouth, sometimes called "Land Takea" for this exact reason. 

 

Mahrian or "Deep Ones" or Ehlek's race isn't all that different from the mutated Ehlek. They are often used as slaves on Zakazian plantations. There's also been some discussion that they and Skakdi are probably partially of the same racial origin, considering that half of the Skakdi we've canonically seen have those "flipper feet".

 

Krikcitian Priests or Takadox's race is a rather alien six-gendered stick insect -like race of peaceful hypnotics. They are unable to turn off their hypnotic powers, and thus avoid eye contact with others.

 

Kromids or "Tentacle Nomads" or Kalmah's AND also in a way Nocturn's race is one of my favourite concepts we have. Their name is derived from "krom-iden" or "spirits of the tentacle", and they're a nomadic race of riders akin to the Mongols or Huns. They're not at all like Kalmah's mutated form: They have less tentacles and a less beastlike face, and only two eyes. Considering that Kalmah is red, tentacled, and opened up a third eye when he mutated, it's easy to think that they are something ancient created by Tren Krom "in his own image" when he ruled the universe.
Nocturn belongs to the "Akshi-Kromid"-subspecies which is larger, infinitely more powerful and infinitely less intelligent. 

 

Titans or Axonn's, Hydraxon's and, wait for it, Carapar's species are a race of powerful and muscular warrior/knight-folk. We felt that Carapar absolutely fit the look, if only grossly mutated, and Hydraxon's and Axonn's name and appearance similarities just can't be a coincidence.

 

Shasals (Mantax's race) are a constantly depressed and constantly depressing and somewhat Slavic race that lives somewhere in the Southern Universe. They are simply unable to feel happiness. Although that is probably hard when it's always so cold.
Also dark.

 

The Shadowed One's and Ancient's nameless race, or as we've sort of coined, "Drakes" are much like the Vortixx and in some sort of way also related. Vortixx are more like the classic image of a humanoid reptilian, while the Drakes are long-tailed and more lizardlike. There are several Dark Hunters who can easily fit into either the Vortixx or the Drakes only going by the looks, really.

I hope our zany antics either help your headcanons or are at least amusing to you.

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So let me tell you a bit about Klaanon.

 

Klaanon or "Clanon" is the absolutely massive shared Bionicle universe, story and canon of a Finnish sort-of Bionicle community called "Bio-Klaani". It is less of an alternate universe and more like a full-on deconstruction and reinterpretation of the main Bionicle storyline. Our focus is on the best years, which we almost universally consider to be the first two or three, and we've cut out pretty much everything after Mata Nui's awakening. Bara Magna is a big no-no, because this really makes for a more interesting and subdued universe.

 

Of course we've done a complete and total overhaul of all the species based on little hints from the original canon and some really sweet worldbuilding of our own. I'll sum up all the new races we've come up with and the old ones we've given names to. Some of it isn't all that relevant for this topic, but I thought you might be interested.

 

Steltian Ogres or as you've known them so far, Krekka's race. Just like in the canon, they are the working class of Stelt.

 

Steltian Aristocrats or Sidorak's, Voporak's, and - shocking twist - Brutaka's race is the ruling class of Stelt. We felt that visually, Brutaka has a lot in common with Sidorak. He's tall, lean and long-limbed and has a lot of the same "tube" look. Aristocrats have the potential for Kanohi usage, but most of them don't have a mind strong enough to withstand the power.

 

Selakh or Selakhians or Pridak's race is a species of long, thin, pale and somewhat Toa-like creatures with two rows of tiny sharp teeth in their mouth, sometimes called "Land Takea" for this exact reason. 

 

Mahrian or "Deep Ones" or Ehlek's race isn't all that different from the mutated Ehlek. They are often used as slaves on Zakazian plantations. There's also been some discussion that they and Skakdi are probably partially of the same racial origin, considering that half of the Skakdi we've canonically seen have those "flipper feet".

 

Krikcitian Priests or Takadox's race is a rather alien six-gendered stick insect -like race of peaceful hypnotics. They are unable to turn off their hypnotic powers, and thus avoid eye contact with others.

 

Kromids or "Tentacle Nomads" or Kalmah's AND also in a way Nocturn's race is one of my favourite concepts we have. Their name is derived from "krom-iden" or "spirits of the tentacle", and they're a nomadic race of riders akin to the Mongols or Huns. They're not at all like Kalmah's mutated form: They have less tentacles and a less beastlike face, and only two eyes. Considering that Kalmah is red, tentacled, and opened up a third eye when he mutated, it's easy to think that they are something ancient created by Tren Krom "in his own image" when he ruled the universe.

Nocturn belongs to the "Akshi-Kromid"-subspecies which is larger, infinitely more powerful and infinitely less intelligent. 

 

Titans or Axonn's, Hydraxon's and, wait for it, Carapar's species are a race of powerful and muscular warrior/knight-folk. We felt that Carapar absolutely fit the look, if only grossly mutated, and Hydraxon's and Axonn's name and appearance similarities just can't be a coincidence.

 

Shasals (Mantax's race) are a constantly depressed and constantly depressing and somewhat Slavic race that lives somewhere in the Southern Universe. They are simply unable to feel happiness. Although that is probably hard when it's always so cold.

Also dark.

 

The Shadowed One's and Ancient's nameless race, or as we've sort of coined, "Drakes" are much like the Vortixx and in some sort of way also related. Vortixx are more like the classic image of a humanoid reptilian, while the Drakes are long-tailed and more lizardlike. There are several Dark Hunters who can easily fit into either the Vortixx or the Drakes only going by the looks, really.

 

I hope our zany antics either help your headcanons or are at least amusing to you.

Nice, I like that list. Do you guys have canonical reasons for grouping some individuals or are you just going off of speculation?

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So let me tell you a bit about Klaanon.

 

Klaanon or "Clanon" is the absolutely massive shared Bionicle universe, story and canon of a Finnish sort-of Bionicle community called "Bio-Klaani". It is less of an alternate universe and more like a full-on deconstruction and reinterpretation of the main Bionicle storyline. Our focus is on the best years, which we almost universally consider to be the first two or three, and we've cut out pretty much everything after Mata Nui's awakening. Bara Magna is a big no-no, because this really makes for a more interesting and subdued universe.

 

Of course we've done a complete and total overhaul of all the species based on little hints from the original canon and some really sweet worldbuilding of our own. I'll sum up all the new races we've come up with and the old ones we've given names to. Some of it isn't all that relevant for this topic, but I thought you might be interested.

 

Steltian Ogres or as you've known them so far, Krekka's race. Just like in the canon, they are the working class of Stelt.

 

Steltian Aristocrats or Sidorak's, Voporak's, and - shocking twist - Brutaka's race is the ruling class of Stelt. We felt that visually, Brutaka has a lot in common with Sidorak. He's tall, lean and long-limbed and has a lot of the same "tube" look. Aristocrats have the potential for Kanohi usage, but most of them don't have a mind strong enough to withstand the power.

 

Selakh or Selakhians or Pridak's race is a species of long, thin, pale and somewhat Toa-like creatures with two rows of tiny sharp teeth in their mouth, sometimes called "Land Takea" for this exact reason. 

 

Mahrian or "Deep Ones" or Ehlek's race isn't all that different from the mutated Ehlek. They are often used as slaves on Zakazian plantations. There's also been some discussion that they and Skakdi are probably partially of the same racial origin, considering that half of the Skakdi we've canonically seen have those "flipper feet".

 

Krikcitian Priests or Takadox's race is a rather alien six-gendered stick insect -like race of peaceful hypnotics. They are unable to turn off their hypnotic powers, and thus avoid eye contact with others.

 

Kromids or "Tentacle Nomads" or Kalmah's AND also in a way Nocturn's race is one of my favourite concepts we have. Their name is derived from "krom-iden" or "spirits of the tentacle", and they're a nomadic race of riders akin to the Mongols or Huns. They're not at all like Kalmah's mutated form: They have less tentacles and a less beastlike face, and only two eyes. Considering that Kalmah is red, tentacled, and opened up a third eye when he mutated, it's easy to think that they are something ancient created by Tren Krom "in his own image" when he ruled the universe.

Nocturn belongs to the "Akshi-Kromid"-subspecies which is larger, infinitely more powerful and infinitely less intelligent. 

 

Titans or Axonn's, Hydraxon's and, wait for it, Carapar's species are a race of powerful and muscular warrior/knight-folk. We felt that Carapar absolutely fit the look, if only grossly mutated, and Hydraxon's and Axonn's name and appearance similarities just can't be a coincidence.

 

Shasals (Mantax's race) are a constantly depressed and constantly depressing and somewhat Slavic race that lives somewhere in the Southern Universe. They are simply unable to feel happiness. Although that is probably hard when it's always so cold.

Also dark.

 

The Shadowed One's and Ancient's nameless race, or as we've sort of coined, "Drakes" are much like the Vortixx and in some sort of way also related. Vortixx are more like the classic image of a humanoid reptilian, while the Drakes are long-tailed and more lizardlike. There are several Dark Hunters who can easily fit into either the Vortixx or the Drakes only going by the looks, really.

 

I hope our zany antics either help your headcanons or are at least amusing to you.

I really like this!  Although I think you guys should make sure you distinguish between the barraki's mutated appearance and their original appearance.  It looks like according to this list they weren't that different.  Of course, we don't know what they looked like before, so I guess I really can't dictate your fanon. ;) Just a suggestion.  Post if you update this list, cuz it's pretty awesome.

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I agree, that Klaanon species list is great. I'd be up for merging Brutaka's species with Sidorak's (though Brutaka's species has some interesting caveats), and the Kanohi justification fits as Sidorak isn't exactly the brightest brick in the bin and his head almost looks like a powerless mask of sorts. Kalmah and Nocton is a bit harder to wrap my head around, but I could see it working. I'm not sure about Ehlek's species being the Zakaz slaves though. As I recall, they were completely aquatic and modified to be Makuta killers.

 

 

Also, the whole "Mata Nui is a huge organism" thing (which I honestly despise, but nonethless) suggests that there should be specialised species, which basically means being privileged over all the others in some area (matoran as privileged maintenance workers, vortixx as privileged technicians etc.)

 

I suppose that is fair, though the Barraki were confirmed to be separate species as said above. I suppose most of the irregularities like Ehlek's aquatic nature can be explained by their elemental affiliation. It also seems that, if there was a species created specifically for ruling, wouldn't they already be in charge? What would be the point of creating hundreds of potential rulers just to let them sit around until six were needed?

 

 

Given that the majority of these species appear to come from random Dark Hunters that never appeared outside of that book, how about just throwing out pretty much all of those groups directly, and having most Dark Hunters be Skakdi, Vortixx, Steltians, and so on. That seems much simpler to me, although I agree a few existing Dark Hunters could be recategorized among some species we know.

 

That could work, though it dismisses a lot of amazing species-exclusive powers as mutations. Many of them also have very different appearances/histories from those we know, and it would be a pain to try to justify such a classification for many Hunters.

 

 

Off the bat I think we could put Primal and Seeker into the same species, since they both look like 4-legged insectoids.

 

Or how about Dweller and Vanisher?  They seem fairly similar aswell. 

 

I thought the same, but the histories of the species were what made me not list them. Primal's species was besieged by Visorak and then the Shadowed One killed the survivors after Primal's recruit. Meanwhile, Seeker was a Brotherhood servant. It makes it difficult to justify.

 

 

I would also like to extend that point to others. When combining species, don't just consider their physical appearance, as that can differ dramatically due to mutation, rebuilding, nature, etc., and their powers. For example, merging Sidorak and Brutaka's species means they would be strengthened by Antidermis. And it's good to see that others agree with my sentiments, but it would be nice to have a few more ideas. :)

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I'm all for the simplification, but it's a tough sell sometimes. The Barraki, explicitly, were said to be six different species so that's a no-go. Other times there's just no resemblance so you can't really make a definitive call.

 

The problem is that, aside from Toa, most/all species are said to share the same powers, and if they have anything unique, it's for a very specific reason. So there's nothing to really say why X character is the same species as Y character if they have different appearances and skillsets (one can make an exemption argument for Rhotuka). As much as I love TSO and Ancient being the same species, it really doesn't make any sense, although you can hold it up as the counterargument.

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My headcanon has always been that a lot of those beings who joined the Dark Hunters were actually unique beings who were either the last surviving members of their species, were mutated to the point that they no longer resemble whatever they used to be, or never had a species of their own to begin with. 

 

Since they couldn't fit in anywhere else, they joined up with other outcasts and freaks. 

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My headcanon has always been that a lot of those beings who joined the Dark Hunters were actually unique beings who were either the last surviving members of their species, were mutated to the point that they no longer resemble whatever they used to be, or never had a species of their own to begin with.

 

Since they couldn't fit in anywhere else, they joined up with other outcasts and freaks.

That's the Dark Hunters I like to believe exists as well. TSO brings them together not to enrich himself (primarily) but to make a home for them and a kingdom for himself. He actively encourages Might makes Right so that his followers will always have a leader capable of protecting them, and ensuring their freedom and safety.

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So let me tell you a bit about Klaanon.

 

As a fellow Klaanon worldbuilder I have a couple of things to add:

 

Selakhians, or Pridak's race, are a bit Elf-like - you know: nimble, light and shiny-eyed. They have made Nui Stone and, for example, Knowledge Crystals. Their civilization, though, is pretty much extinguished after Six Kingdoms fell. We really don't have much base in canon for this, but I think it's a neat idea.

 

Makuta species is really just one Makuta, the brother of Mata Nui. The Protomakuta splintered in the beginning of the time and and every single Makuta is a shard of it's mind and consiciouncess.

 

There are also couple of minor species, like Airwatcher's species "the Angels" and Primal's and Seeker's species "the Centaurs". And Titans have probably hundreds of subspecies with differing powers and cultures.

 

I agree, that Klaanon species list is great. I'd be up for merging Brutaka's species with Sidorak's (though Brutaka's species has some interesting caveats), and the Kanohi justification fits as Sidorak isn't exactly the brightest brick in the bin and his head almost looks like a powerless mask of sorts. Kalmah and Nocton is a bit harder to wrap my head around, but I could see it working. I'm not sure about Ehlek's species being the Zakaz slaves though. As I recall, they were completely aquatic and modified to be Makuta killers.

 

Mahrians (Ehlek's species) were originally the ruling race of Zakaz. Ehlek was also King of Skakdifolk. But after Brotherhood of Makuta began disassembling Barraki empires after their imprisoment in the Pit, skakdi became rulers of Zakaz and many Mahrians were enslaved (in our fanon they can breathe air but they get quickly very weak when not in water). Some of them were modified to be Order of Mata Nui's super-soldiers.

 

Just remembered something.  On BS01 it says that Nocturn was immune to the Pit's mutagen, and he was amphibious.  Since Kalmah mutated, he couldn't be the same species as Nocturn.

 

Kromids (Kalmah's species) worship Tren Krom as their creator. The reason we thought it would be fitting that Nocturn's species were sub-species of Kromids is simply the fact that they are both pretty tentacley. However, these Akshi-Kromids are immune to Pit Mutagen and are ampbihious - a kind of merpeople, if you will.

 

The problem is that, aside from Toa, most/all species are said to share the same powers, and if they have anything unique, it's for a very specific reason. So there's nothing to really say why X character is the same species as Y character if they have different appearances and skillsets (one can make an exemption argument for Rhotuka). As much as I love TSO and Ancient being the same species, it really doesn't make any sense, although you can hold it up as the counterargument.

 

There are a lot of beings with unique and special powers that seemingly make them their own species, but I don't believe that. After all, we know many creatures with powers that weren't standard for their species. For example, Roodaka had learnt shadow powers and many other beings carried items or had mutations that caused them to have powers. We don't really know if, for example, Axonn's energy powers were his race's powers or just his. Best example of this is the race of TSO and Ancient (and, in our fanon, Lariska). The Shadowed One's eyebeams may be a mutation, they may be nanomachines or genetic engineering akin to what was done to the Skakdi. And TSO-Ancient -example also shows that an individuals of a species don't have to look all that much like each other. I don't see why there couldn't be tall people, short people, muscular people, thin people and so on.

 

Nice, I like that list. Do you guys have canonical reasons for grouping some individuals or are you just going off of speculation?

The grouping is mostly based on similarities in appearance. There really isn't many details in canon about all those minor species.

 

 

I really like this!  Although I think you guys should make sure you distinguish between the barraki's mutated appearance and their original appearance.  It looks like according to this list they weren't that different.  Of course, we don't know what they looked like before, so I guess I really can't dictate your fanon. ;) Just a suggestion.  Post if you update this list, cuz it's pretty awesome.

Well, we really don't know how much the Mutagen affects. Brutaka is the only one (correct me if I'm wrong) mutated whose original form we have also seen, and he didn't change all that much. He grew some fins and gills and spikes and stuff. Pit Mutagen doesen't necessarily change beings all that completely.

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I think Amphibax being from the same species as Ehlek would be good, Nocturn and Sentrahk could come from the same species, considering they look similar as well.

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I have a strong dislike for the way that all these random (and hideously ugly) Dark Hunter MOCs were absorbed into canon and try to ignore them in my own story as most of them are utterly insignificant. If they were more unified it wouldn't give me such a headache but as it is I don't really like any of them! That said I'm a strong supporter of making sense of the many many many random species that we seem to have in the MU but then...

 

 

That seems rather unfair for Mata Nui to privilege one species over all the others in the MU.

... the whole "Mata Nui is a huge organism" thing suggests that there should be specialised species, which basically means being privileged over all the others in some area (matoran as privileged maintenance workers, vortixx as privileged technicians etc.)...

 

VERY valid point. Av-Matoran have a very specific job as they were designed and built for it. So do the Toa and the metrutoran. It only makes sense that the Barraki could follow a similar pattern and be a dedicated species, designed with a single purpose in mind. There are plenty of reasons why they could look different including sub-species which are not uncommon. Toa are the same after all but they have different elements because the GBs realised that some problems couldn't be solved with fire (like a fire for example...) so having a team of Tahus just wouldn't work. We don't think of the Toa Mata as different subspecies but think of how different they really are, they aren't the same at all. This really shows up in the later sets when we get the phantoka and Mistika and they start LOOKING different as well as obviously being different all along. No reason at all why the Barraki aren't a single species with different specialised roles, like ants for example...

 

Also, not to counter my own feelings but to add balance into my thoughts... The BS01 page lists 39 unnamed sapient species. That is honestly not a lot of species... There are way more species on earth and our planet happens to be almost exactly the same distance from pole to pole as the GSR is from top to toe... So why can't such a gigantic robot have 39 different species in it? Clearly the story only focussed on one or two of each species but that doesn't mean they were all the only one of their kind (like poor keetongu) 

 

So on one hand, I think all Dark Hunters are pointless nonsense, but on the other, 39 is NOT a lot of species for a 40 million foot tall robot universe to house...

 

EDIT : In fact, that would essentially give each species 300kilometers of the robot's total height to call their own without EVER coming into contact with another species. That is a massively underpopulated habitat! Of course a large portion of the GSR is uninhabitable but the point remains valid. 1 species per million feet is a terrible ratio for an ecosystem! (or whatever the Bionicle equivalent of an ecosystem is...

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There's no major reason why we have all these extra species other than lazy writing. 

 

Honestly, I never saw it that way. I figured there was just no reason to name all these species who don't have a role in the story. I know it's good world-building to have it all, but I figured there was enough going on that I didn't blame anyone for not bothering.

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There's no major reason why we have all these extra species other than lazy writing.

Honestly, I never saw it that way. I figured there was just no reason to name all these species who don't have a role in the story. I know it's good world-building to have it all, but I figured there was enough going on that I didn't blame anyone for not bothering.

I can understand how it ended up like this, certainly, but I can name every sentient species in my universe, and it takes very little effort to tack a 'ehlekian' or 'manas crab' kind of name onto a one-time model. Look at the Star Wars/Trek universes. Pretty much every species there has a name, no matter how little the creature was used.

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I think the argument for naming conentions should probably be treated as two separate discussions personally. One for the unknown Dark Hunter species and another for the rest.

 

The Dark Hunters exist in canon purely as a nod to the contest winners who created them. They don't have names because they're random constructs made by people with no actual affiliation to Lego and no involvement in the story. Sure, Lego could've given each one a species but why bother? They weren't important as they didn't even appear in the story. They weren't official (despite being canonised for some reason) and therefore never warranted any attention from the story team.

 

That's very different to the issue we have with other unnamed species like the barraki and Botar and Brutaka and so on. Lego COULD have taken a moment to name those but arguably they never really had a significant reason to do so. It's probably something that never even occurred to them originally because it was just a children's toy line and no child will ever care what Keetongu's species was called... Of course, they made a lasting impact on many of us as children who have now grown into adults looking for an expanded universe to explore. But Lego can't be expected to know that. There's not a single person here who thinks Hero Factory needs such an insane level of detail but that's not to say it won't be discussed in fanatical debates a decade from now ;)

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There's no major reason why we have all these extra species other than lazy writing.

Honestly, I never saw it that way. I figured there was just no reason to name all these species who don't have a role in the story. I know it's good world-building to have it all, but I figured there was enough going on that I didn't blame anyone for not bothering.

I can understand how it ended up like this, certainly, but I can name every sentient species in my universe, and it takes very little effort to tack a 'ehlekian' or 'manas crab' kind of name onto a one-time model. Look at the Star Wars/Trek universes. Pretty much every species there has a name, no matter how little the creature was used.

 

True, but the way I figure it, Star Wars/Trek has had decades to develop their universes. BIONICLE had less time. I agree though, that I'd really have liked to see more effort put into that aspect of the MU.

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The Dark Hunters exist in canon purely as a nod to the contest winners who created them. They don't have names because they're random constructs made by people with no actual affiliation to Lego and no involvement in the story. Sure, Lego could've given each one a species but why bother? They weren't important as they didn't even appear in the story. They weren't official (despite being canonised for some reason) and therefore never warranted any attention from the story team.

Wait, what? The entire point of the contest, much like the Rahi contest from the year before it, was to create entries that would be official characters in the universe. If we're calling these some weird hypothetical lower-tier of canon, the whole rulebook goes out the window.

 

Not to mention many of the characters DID actually appear in the story, though often just as token mentions. So they all exist, and in that sense, they do fall somewhere in the categorization of species, which is what this topic is trying to do.

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The 'official models' and 'competition winners' might actually be a valid distinction to make. Not because the winners are less canon, but because the official models are all confirmed members of a species somewhere in the MU, where more of the DH are mutants or one-time creations. Naming the official models would give us a baseline, and then we can fit mutants and altered individuals on the list gained from that, if that makes sense.

 

Like we take the official model Krakha, give her species the name 'polyforms', then find the DH with shapeshifting powers and other similar beings and assign them to the 'polyform' species totally or partially.

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I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line...

 

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We've got to remember that a lot of Dark Hunters wear armor... and figure out what similarities would exist if we stripped them of that armor. That might narrow the list down.

 

Yeah... like Gatherer is apparently a Matoran under all that... That makes sense.

 

 

My headcanon has always been that a lot of those beings who joined the Dark Hunters were actually unique beings who were either the last surviving members of their species, were mutated to the point that they no longer resemble whatever they used to be, or never had a species of their own to begin with. 

 

Since they couldn't fit in anywhere else, they joined up with other outcasts and freaks.

 

That could work, as it actually fits with many of the Hunter's established backstories. Many of them are the last or nearly the last, such as Mimic and Primal. It does make things a little cleaner.

 

 

I'm of the opinion that MU characters don't necessarily need to belong to a species, since there's no concept of reproduction anyways. Why can't all the various Dark Hunters and such just be one-off Great Being experiments?

 

They could... but it feels a little contrived. Why would all these one-time creations end up with the Dark Hunters? I suppose "they couldn't fit in anywhere else," but it also limits a lot of creativity possible with their species.

 

 

I think Amphibax being from the same species as Ehlek would be good, Nocturn and Sentrahk could come from the same species, considering they look similar as well.

 

Except Amphibax is amphibious, and Ehlek's species is aquatic. He could be a Zyglak, perhaps...

 

I could see Nocturn and Sentrakh coming from the same species, although I believe Sentrakh was somehow created by the Shadowed One. He isn't really on the list of species.

 

Av-Matoran have a very specific job as they were designed and built for it. So do the Toa and the metrutoran. It only makes sense that the Barraki could follow a similar pattern and be a dedicated species, designed with a single purpose in mind. There are plenty of reasons why they could look different including sub-species which are not uncommon... No reason at all why the Barraki aren't a single species with different specialised roles, like ants for example...

 

 

Also, not to counter my own feelings but to add balance into my thoughts... The BS01 page lists 39 unnamed sapient species. That is honestly not a lot of species... There are way more species on earth and our planet happens to be almost exactly the same distance from pole to pole as the GSR is from top to toe... So why can't such a gigantic robot have 39 different species in it? Clearly the story only focussed on one or two of each species but that doesn't mean they were all the only one of their kind (like poor keetongu) 

 

So on one hand, I think all Dark Hunters are pointless nonsense, but on the other, 39 is NOT a lot of species for a 40 million foot tall robot universe to house...

 

EDIT : In fact, that would essentially give each species 300kilometers of the robot's total height to call their own without EVER coming into contact with another species. That is a massively underpopulated habitat! Of course a large portion of the GSR is uninhabitable but the point remains valid. 1 species per million feet is a terrible ratio for an ecosystem! (or whatever the Bionicle equivalent of an ecosystem is...

 

I already gave my thoughts on the first bit of this, but I thought I'd restate it. For one thing, the Barraki were confirmed to be separate species, as nice and easy as it would be to just lump them all into one. And to me, it seems a little ridiculous to create an entire "Barraki race" for the sole purpose of ruling, only to pick out six to actually fulfill that calling. As I recall, the Barraki were not in the original plan. They were only put in when the Universe was in chaos and Mata Nui's health was failing, which would not have happened if the Matoran hadn't gained sentience. I like the idea that Mata Nui searched through all the beings in the universe separately to find six he felt were worthy who might not be the usual heroes.

 

As for your second argument, no, 39 species is not a lot. There are actually many more if you include Rahi (intelligent or otherwise) in that count as well, and it makes sense to have a varied ecosystem. The problem comes when all 39 of those are sentient. On earth, we have billions of species in a smaller area, but only one we consider sentient. Sure, plenty of Sci-FI shows have a lot more than that, but those are in intergalactic civilizations that bring together sapient species from around the universe. It doesn't make sense to have so many sentient species in one place.

 

 

 

So, compiling a short list of possible suggestions with powers and short histories, with a few hesitant suggestions of my own:

*Possibly unique/last of kind

+Main species/unusual powers, unlikely to merge with other main species

 

1. Airwatcher's* (unintelligent, wings, possible chest launcher)

 

2. Axonn's (large and bulky, can use Kanohi)

Carapar

Hydraxon (sensitive hearing)

Lariska?

 

3. Botar's+ (Savage race from Southern Isles, teleportation, Kanohi use)

 

4. Dweller's (small, telepathic)

Vanisher? (wings, horns defend against psionics, teleportation)

 

5. Ehlek's+ (aquatic, enhanced strength, Makuta-killers, Kanohi usage)

 

6. Eliminator's (Shadow powers, enhanced speed and agility, possible Kanoka combination)

 

7. Gladiator's* (slaves on Stelt, large, strong, fast)

 

8. Guardian's (island of tribal warfare)

Tyrant? (rules island south of Odina)

Lurker?

 

9. Johmak's+ (similar to Vortixx, can shatter into crystal)

 

10. Kalmah's+ (Kanohi usage)

Nocturn (see above, immune to mutagen, strong, regrow limbs)

Sentrakh (heavily mutated)

 

11. Krekka's+ (slaves on Stelt, strong, unintelligent)

 

12. Makuta+ (whole mess of powers)

 

13. Mantax's+ (Kanohi use)

Trinuma?

 

14. Mimic's* (possible photographic reflexes, rare or gained ability?)

 

15. Primal's* (island ravaged by Visorak, possibly mutated, all others killed by The Shadowed One, agility, strength, four legs)

Seeker (servant of Brotherhood)

 

16. Poison's* (nearly wiped out by Matoran, deadly poison, their only weakness)

 

17. The Shadowed One's* (desolate, icy island, civil war, possible eye beams)

Ancient

 

18. Shadow Stealer* (hero before Toa, shadow powers)

 

19. Sidorak's Species+ (upper class Stelt, Kanohi usage)

Voporak

Brutaka (strengthened when exposed to Antidermis)

Darkness ("elasticity")

 

20. Skakdi+ (spines, claws, and teeth, half elemental powers, vision powers)

 

21. Takadox's+ (use Kanohi, hypnosis)

 

22. Toa+ (elemental abilities and mask powers, also include Turaga and Matoran)

 

23. Tobduk's+ (original inhabitants of Visorak, nearly wiped out, Kanohi usage, strength from emotion)

Pridak?

 

24. Krahka+ (shapeshifting)

Triglax

 

25. Vortixx+ (tall, lean, intelligent, able to use Kanohi)

Conjurer

 

26. Zyglak+ (toxic skin, amphibious, immune to pit mutagen)

Amphibax? (fast, agile)

 

 

And one of these should be Jerbraz's species (no need for Kanohi), the Original Inhabitants of Nynrah, and the Original Inhabitants of Odina

 

Looking back on the Dark Hunters, I wonder why some of them like Ravager are not on the list...

 

So, seeing the list, any other possible ideas? Any problems with what I put down?

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The 'official models' and 'competition winners' might actually be a valid distinction to make. Not because the winners are less canon, but because the official models are all confirmed members of a species somewhere in the MU, where more of the DH are mutants or one-time creations. Naming the official models would give us a baseline, and then we can fit mutants and altered individuals on the list gained from that, if that makes sense.

 

Like we take the official model Krakha, give her species the name 'polyforms', then find the DH with shapeshifting powers and other similar beings and assign them to the 'polyform' species totally or partially.

Makes sense.

 

Uh... You are aware that "krahka" IS the species name, right? Did you read Adventures #3 and #7? She was simply the last surviving krahka, and no one took the time to give her an individual name, seeing as she was the only one left in the universe who bore the name of her race. So, if Triglax is one of her kind, then he would also be a krahka.

 

 

 

I think Amphibax being from the same species as Ehlek would be good, Nocturn and Sentrahk could come from the same species, considering they look similar as well.

 

Except Amphibax is amphibious, and Ehlek's species is aquatic. He could be a Zyglak, perhaps...

 

I could see Nocturn and Sentrakh coming from the same species, although I believe Sentrakh was somehow created by the Shadowed One. He isn't really on the list of species

Sentrahk is actually an individual from a species. He was not created by TSO, but was rather the result of an experiment to create the perfect servant. It was a sort of mind wipe that went too deep, leaving Sentrahk in a sort of undead state. But that doesn't change his origins.

 

Why do I still see the argument "Axonn and Hydraxon have similar sounding names, so that can't be a coincidence!" floating around here?  <_<  While you're at it, you might as well say that the Kanohi Faxon is a part of this same race. After all, it has the same sound to it, right? Perfectly sound logic right there! 

 

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So, compiling a short list of possible suggestions with powers and short histories, with a few hesitant suggestions of my own:

 

1. Airwatcher's (unintelligent, wings, possible chest launcher)

 

2. Axonn's (large and bulky, can use Kanohi)

Carapar

Hydraxon (sensitive hearing)

Lariska?

Okay, Carapar I can understand. Hydraxon and Lariska, though? Hydraxon and Axonn look nothing alike, and I'm pretty sure that this is mostly due to the name thing. If Hydraxon was instead named "Jakus" or "Mekalath," I bet no one would even think of putting him and Axonn together. We know very little about them other than powers and personalities, so there's no species-definite traits to compare besides the silver armor seen in the sets.

And Lariska? Really? Somehow I don't think she fits the bill.

3. Botar's (Savage race from Southern Isles, teleportation, Kanohi use)

Vanisher

 Kinda iffy on this one, due to the distinct lack of any similarities in appearance. Why can't individuals have similar powers? Roodaka tapped into her inner darkness and now has Shadow powers. Must be a Makuta then, right? I don't think that logic is sound enough to group two characters together simply because of a similar ability.

4. Dweller's (small, telepathic)

 

5. Ehlek's (aquatic, enhanced strength, Makuta-killers, Kanohi usage)

 

6. Eliminator's (Shadow powers, enhanced speed and agility, possible Kanoka combination)

 

7. Gladiator's (slaves on Stelt, large, strong, fast)

 

8. Guardian's (island of tribal warfare)

 

9. Johmak's (similar to Vortixx, can shatter into crystal)

 

10. Kalmah's (Kanohi usage)

Nocturn (see above, immune to mutagen, strong, regrow limbs)

Sentrakh (see above)

Okay, Nocturn and Sentahk I understand, being four-armed and bestial in appearance, so that makes sense. Kalmah, no. Remember that the tentacles and the quick-healing were a result of the Pit Mutagen, so grouping him with Nocturn doesn't work. Also, he lacks an extra set of arms. :P

 

11. Krekka's (slaves on Stelt, strong, unintelligent)

 

12. Lurker's (possible "natural tools")

 

13. Makuta (whole mess of powers)

 

14. Mantax's (Kanohi use)

Trinuma?

Just curious as to where this came from? I always liked the idea that Trinuma and Hydraxon were from the same race, due to their similar in-story height and basic appearance, apparent lack of any powers, and their habit of coating themselves in weaponry.

 

15. Mimic's (possible photographic reflexes, rare or gained ability?)

 

16. Primal's (island ravaged by Visorak, possibly mutated, all others killed by The Shadowed One, agility, strength, four legs)

Seeker (servant of Brotherhood)

This one's alright. :)

 

17. Poison's (nearly wiped out by Matoran, deadly poison, their only weakness)

 

18. The Shadowed One's (desolate, icy island, civil war, possible eye beams)

Ancient

Can't argue with this one, as much as I disdain it.  <_< 

 

19. Shadow Stealer (hero before Toa, shadow powers)

 

20. Sidorak's Species (upper class Stelt, Kanohi usage)

Voporak

Brutaka (strengthened when exposed to Antidermis)

Darkness ("elasticity")

Pretty sure Sidorak's ram-horns were a species trait, so maybe not Brutaka and Darkness. However, putting Darkness and Brutaka into the same slot makes a bit more sense, if it weren't for the fact that Darkness has a tail and massive pincers. :P 

 

21. Skakdi (spines, claws, and teeth, half elemental powers, vision powers)

 

22. Takadox's (use Kanohi, hypnosis)

 

23. Toa (elemental abilities and mask powers, also include Turaga and Matoran)

 

24. Tobduk's (original inhabitants of Visorak, nearly wiped out, Kanohi usage, strength from emotion)

Pridak?

Pridak's constant anger and ego would be a good indicator here, but Tobduk described himself as the last of his kind. As an OoMN member, he would have known fully well that one of his own was trapped in the Pit, and very much alive, meaning he wouldn't be the only one. Unless the "survivor" bit is confined to include only his village, not the entire race. If the latter is the case, then this one is just fine.

 

25. Triglax's (shapeshifting)

Krahka

As I stated before, "krahka" is the species name, so that would make Triglax a named krahka. List it the other way around, and this one is perfect. :)

 

26. Tyrant's (small island south of Odina, ruled by Tyrant)

 

27. Vanisher's (wings, horns defend against psionics)

 

28. Vortixx (tall, lean, intelligent, able to use Kanohi)

Conjurer

Technology that could be described as magic, high-and-mighty personality... Yeah, this works just fine. :P

 

29. Zyglak (toxic skin, amphibious, immune to pit mutagen)

Amphibax? (fast, agile)

Um... Maybe not, since Amphibax looks nothing like a Zyglak. If being amphibious is what inspired this, then Nocturn might as well be one, too. So, no.

 

And one of these should be Jerbraz's species (no need for Kanohi), the Original Inhabitants of Nynrah, and the Original Inhabitants of Odina

Jerbraz could fit into any number of these categories. The way his actions are described, and how things seem to happen with him in the room, I'd hazard a guess that he's larger than a Toa, and smaller than Brutaka/Steltians/Vortixx. So, could be one of Hydraxon/Trinuma's people. Could fit into one of the five remaining Barraki's races (Ehlek is out, for obvious reasons). The inhabitants of Nynrah could have been one of the many species we've seen nearly killed off, like Tobduk's people. Same concept for Odina, if that helps narrow things down.

So, seeing the list, any other possible ideas? Any problems with what I put down?

 

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Sentrahk is actually an individual from a species. He was not created by TSO, but was rather the result of an experiment to create the perfect servant. It was a sort of mind wipe that went too deep, leaving Sentrahk in a sort of undead state. But that doesn't change his origins.

 

Oh, okay, I misread that on BS01. I'll lump him in with Nocturn.

 

 

Okay, Carapar I can understand. Hydraxon and Lariska, though? Hydraxon and Axonn look nothing alike, and I'm pretty sure that this is mostly due to the name thing. If Hydraxon was instead named "Jakus" or "Mekalath," I bet no one would even think of putting him and Axonn together. We know very little about them other than powers and personalities, so there's no species-definite traits to compare besides the silver armor seen in the sets.

And Lariska? Really? Somehow I don't think she fits the bill.

Kinda iffy on this one, due to the distinct lack of any similarities in appearance. Why can't individuals have similar powers? Roodaka tapped into her inner darkness and now has Shadow powers. Must be a Makuta then, right? I don't think that logic is sound enough to group two characters together simply because of a similar ability.

Um... Maybe not, since Amphibax looks nothing like a Zyglak. If being amphibious is what inspired this, then Nocturn might as well be one, too. So, no.

Normally, I would agree with you here. A lot of these groupings are arbitrary and based on circumstantial evidence: a vague similarity in appearance, a shared power, or perhaps a bit of history. They don't make sense when analyzed too closely. But that's kind of the point of this topic. There's an absurd amount of unnamed species, so I'll take any grouping I can get that can be somewhat rationalized. Sure, Hydraxon and Axonn was originally suggested based on similar names, but all four of those are Kanohi-wearing beings similar to Toa, but otherwise lacking powers that couldn't have been given later on.

 

On second thought, Vanisher and Dweller would be a better fit. They both have wings, similar appearances, and psionics abilities that could be channeled through their horns.

 

Okay, Nocturn and Sentahk I understand, being four-armed and bestial in appearance, so that makes sense. Kalmah, no. Remember that the tentacles and the quick-healing were a result of the Pit Mutagen, so grouping him with Nocturn doesn't work. Also, he lacks an extra set of arms. :P

 

 

This is where the "see above" comes in. This grouping came from the Klaanon project, defining Kalmah as a Nocturn sub-species. His sub-species is more land-dwelling, does not regenerate, or have additional arms. I'm still a little shaky on it as well.

 

Just curious as to where this came from? I always liked the idea that Trinuma and Hydraxon were from the same race, due to their similar in-story height and basic appearance, apparent lack of any powers, and their habit of coating themselves in weaponry.

The only confirmed facts we know about Trinuma's species is they can use Kanohi, are similar to a Toa in height, and have horns. Mantax, pre-mutation, could have fit all of those descriptions, and in his mutation, the horns changed to the tentacles on the back of his head. Hydraxon, however, shows no indication of having horns.

 

Pretty sure Sidorak's ram-horns were a species trait, so maybe not Brutaka and Darkness. However, putting Darkness and Brutaka into the same slot makes a bit more sense, if it weren't for the fact that Darkness has a tail and massive pincers. :P

 

The species was also confirmed to wear Kanohi, so perhaps their heads do look like that under the mask. That, or Sidorak's head could be mostly some kind of mask substitute. 

Darkness and Brutaka I lumped together mostly because of a similar physical appearance. As I recall, Brutaka had two tiny extra arms ending in claws on either side of his stomach. Darkness' claws could be a bit more developed. Though it does leave you to wonder what happened to the extra arms on Sidorak and Voporak...

 

Pridak's constant anger and ego would be a good indicator here, but Tobduk described himself as the last of his kind. As an OoMN member, he would have known fully well that one of his own was trapped in the Pit, and very much alive, meaning he wouldn't be the only one. Unless the "survivor" bit is confined to include only his village, not the entire race. If the latter is the case, then this one is just fine.

 

I found this on BS01, so it sounds like he may not be the last, but very near that:

Tobduk and a few others managed to escape to the island of Nynrah, and traveled from there to Stelt

He could also have assumed the Barraki died when the Pit collapsed. But yeah, that anger thing was my rationalization too. Pridak seems to be one of the more emotional Barraki, so he seems to fit. That, or the least emotional would be the best to live on an island of beings that feed off emotion, but whatever.

 

As I stated before, "krahka" is the species name, so that would make Triglax a named krahka. List it the other way around, and this one is perfect. :)

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I see a lot of people mentioning Krahka and Triglax as being members of the same species.  I seem to remember that Greg explicitly denied that, saying that Triglax is not a Rahi.  

Other than that, I think condensing the species list might be a good idea, not because there are too many, but because it feels more real when there are multiple named characters in each species.

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I see a lot of people mentioning Krahka and Triglax as being members of the same species. I seem to remember that Greg explicitly denied that, saying that Triglax is not a Rahi.

I've never understood that distinction in the Bionicle Universe. There seems to be a much thinner line between Sentient Species and Rahi. For example, "Rahi" like Keetongu and Krahka exhibit far more intelligence than, say Airwatcher, who made the list.

 

It's too bad Greg denied it though. I guess I'm trying to get these categories as close to canon as possible.

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Just curious as to where this came from? I always liked the idea that Trinuma and Hydraxon were from the same race, due to their similar in-story height and basic appearance, apparent lack of any powers, and their habit of coating themselves in weaponry.

The only confirmed facts we know about Trinuma's species is they can use Kanohi, are similar to a Toa in height, and have horns. Mantax, pre-mutation, could have fit all of those descriptions, and in his mutation, the horns changed to the tentacles on the back of his head. Hydraxon, however, shows no indication of having horns.

 

Um, what? Trinuma's set appearance is the only thing that would make him "Toa height." Go read the end of Toa Nuva Blog and any others Trinuma appeared in. He's described as 9 feet tall, where a Toa is only 7. Hydraxon is slightly taller than a Toa, set-wise, which puts him close to 9 feet, as well. Please do check your sources first. ;)

 

Darkness and Brutaka I lumped together mostly because of a similar physical appearance. As I recall, Brutaka had two tiny extra arms ending in claws on either side of his stomach. Darkness' claws could be a bit more developed. Though it does leave you to wonder what happened to the extra arms on Sidorak and Voporak...

 

Nope. On Brutaka, those are protosteel throwing knives.

 

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Additionally, two Protosteel throwing knives are hidden in his back armor.

 

 

His extra set of "arms" are never mentioned in-story, so the general consensus is that they are just built into his armor. Not arms, then. That would mean that he could fit with Sidorak, but Darkness is the oddity in that he has multiple arms. Maybe a mutant like Voporak, who also has extra limbs? That would make more sense. :)

 

 

One more thing:

They don't make sense when analyzed too closely.

 

So, what you're saying is that we shouldn't put much thought into this? That's a bad idea. The more thought, the better, otherwise you'll have others like me coming in to point out every flaw in your (lack of) reasoning. It needs to make sense on as many fronts as possible, so do try to consider that some of us actually prefer to have some thought put into these things. :)

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Here are my thoughts.

 

Tridax is a Krahka, but considers himself a civilized, aracial being rather than a Rahi.

 

Sentrakh and Nocturn are the same species. They look alike, carry similar swords, and perhaps Sentrakh's healing power prompted TSO to choose him for the procedure.

 

Primal and Seeker are he same species; they look very similar.

 

Brutaka, Darkness and Shadow Stealer were all prototypes for the Makuta. All of them are strengthened by Antidermis, their sole unifying trait.

 

Mantax and Trinuma are the same species. They can use Kanohi and have horns.

 

Tobduk and Pridak are the same species. They are tall, strong and fueled by emotion (in Pridak's case, pride).

 

Jerbraz could be almost any minor species.

 

Hydraxon and Lariska are the same species. They have no powers but make up for it with great physical ability. Using Kanohi is within their abilities, but they consider it inappropriate.

 

Vengeance and Dweller are the same species. They have wings, horns, and psychic powers.

 

Axonn is a total enigma, nobody has ever seen another member of his species.

 

Recorder is the last of the native Odinians.

 

Poison was one of Nyrah's original species.

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2. Axonn's (large and bulky, can use Kanohi)

Carapar

Hydraxon (sensitive hearing)

Lariska?

 

I disagree with pretty much all of this, to be honest. 

 

Lariska's species have been described as being similar to Vortixx - they're tall and lanky, don't have powers, can wear Kanohi, are good with technology etc, etc, so perhaps they're a subspecies or close relative to the Vortixx?

 

On the subject of Hydraxon and Axxon, my headcanon has always being that the beings who formed the Hand of Artakha (with the exception of Helryx) were all unique beings - prototypes or one-off experiments that got thrown into the MU along with the rest.

 

Admittedly, this whole theory is simply based on the fact that we've seen no real indication in canon of any beings of the same species as Axxon, Hydraxon or Shadow Stealer, and it's easier to think of them as unique instead of trying to group them in with beings who, while similar, obviously aren't the same.

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Just curious as to where this came from? I always liked the idea that Trinuma and Hydraxon were from the same race, due to their similar in-story height and basic appearance, apparent lack of any powers, and their habit of coating themselves in weaponry.

The only confirmed facts we know about Trinuma's species is they can use Kanohi, are similar to a Toa in height, and have horns. Mantax, pre-mutation, could have fit all of those descriptions, and in his mutation, the horns changed to the tentacles on the back of his head. Hydraxon, however, shows no indication of having horns.

 

Um, what? Trinuma's set appearance is the only thing that would make him "Toa height." Go read the end of Toa Nuva Blog and any others Trinuma appeared in. He's described as 9 feet tall, where a Toa is only 7. Hydraxon is slightly taller than a Toa, set-wise, which puts him close to 9 feet, as well. Please do check your sources first. ;)

 

Darkness and Brutaka I lumped together mostly because of a similar physical appearance. As I recall, Brutaka had two tiny extra arms ending in claws on either side of his stomach. Darkness' claws could be a bit more developed. Though it does leave you to wonder what happened to the extra arms on Sidorak and Voporak...

Nope. On Brutaka, those are protosteel throwing knives.

 

BS01:

Additionally, two Protosteel throwing knives are hidden in his back armor.

 

His extra set of "arms" are never mentioned in-story, so the general consensus is that they are just built into his armor. Not arms, then. That would mean that he could fit with Sidorak, but Darkness is the oddity in that he has multiple arms. Maybe a mutant like Voporak, who also has extra limbs? That would make more sense. :)

 

 

One more thing:

They don't make sense when analyzed too closely.

So, what you're saying is that we shouldn't put much thought into this? That's a bad idea. The more thought, the better, otherwise you'll have others like me coming in to point out every flaw in your (lack of) reasoning. It needs to make sense on as many fronts as possible, so do try to consider that some of us actually prefer to have some thought put into these things. :)

 

I don't mind people pointing out my logical errors. That's the whole reason I have a topic here. But I would appreciate it if you didn't make it sound as if I'm an idiot. I apologize if my approximation of Trinuma's height was off or that I mistook a set detail for canon. But are either of those reasons to disprove my conclusions? No, you still seem to agree with them. So, thank you for pointing that out to me, but to be honest it doesn't matter much here.

 

I believe you misunderstood my meaning in that quote. I've been putting a good deal of thought into all of this, and there have been several connections I've questioned above for small logical flaws just as you have. But in order to make these conclusions, a good amount of suspended disbelief should be maintained. There are no characters on the list that obviously share a species. Their appearance may differ slightly, or they might have a different power somewhere. Those can easily be explained as mutations, species variation, and enhancements that are all common in the Bionicle Universe. So there's a difference between shrugging your shoulders and throwing together anything that could almost make sense, and allowing a few small trivial technicalities to be dismissed. By "putting too much thought into this," I mean being anal about having to have every single tiny detail fit perfectly, by which you will never make any progress.

 

Brutaka, Darkness and Shadow Stealer were all prototypes for the Makuta. All of them are strengthened by Antidermis, their sole unifying trait. 

 

 

Oh, that's an interesting idea... I could see that working, even if it does little to clean things up. :P

 

 

Vengeance and Dweller are the same species. They have wings, horns, and psychic powers.

 

Oh, I've been writing Vanisher this entire time when I meant Vengeance. I suppose they could all fit under the same species though, if Vanisher's portals could be taken as his psychic ability... or perhaps he has something else, and the portals are an enhancement.

 

 

 

 

2. Axonn's (large and bulky, can use Kanohi)

Carapar

Hydraxon (sensitive hearing)

Lariska?

 

I disagree with pretty much all of this, to be honest. 

 

Lariska's species have been described as being similar to Vortixx - they're tall and lanky, don't have powers, can wear Kanohi, are good with technology etc, etc, so perhaps they're a subspecies or close relative to the Vortixx?

 

On the subject of Hydraxon and Axxon, my headcanon has always being that the beings who formed the Hand of Artakha (with the exception of Helryx) were all unique beings - prototypes or one-off experiments that got thrown into the MU along with the rest.

 

Admittedly, this whole theory is simply based on the fact that we've seen no real indication in canon of any beings of the same species as Axxon, Hydraxon or Shadow Stealer, and it's easier to think of them as unique instead of trying to group them in with beings who, while similar, obviously aren't the same.

 

 

Okay, I want to explain my reasoning here, since a lot of people have a problem with it. Axonn, Hydraxon, and Lariska as one species would not have been my first choice. I can see the plain differences in their physical appearances as well as you all can. The only reason I lumped them together was because Axonn and Hydraxon had been suggested previously, and I could see Lariska being a member of Hydraxon's species. The Vortixx-like appearance is new to me (because it's pretty obvious I spent more time researching some species than others on BS01, as so helpfully explained above), so perhaps that was an unreasonable assumption.

 

Power-wise, however, Axonn could have been heavily modified by the Order, and the others are nearly powerless. The linking characteristic here is the Kanohi usage, which, admittedly, could also come from any of the other Barraki species. Differences in physical appearance could just be accounted for by species variation. Axonn is more muscled, Hydraxon is taller, Lariska is lither.

 

But perhaps you could be right, and they are all one-offs. I'm just trying to avoid that if possible as it limits a lot of the creativity that surrounds these species. To say there is only one Axonn restricts anyone who would like to have a semi-canon character like him.

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Liking the idea of grouping species together. That said, I think everyone's trying to tackle too much at once and it's making things sort of hard to follow. It might be easier if we try to hammer down one or two species at a time. I suggest we start with the less controversial ones and move on from there. If people want, we could also start up a master post to keep track of everything.

 

This one is one of the less controversial ones, plus the conversation is sort of leaning toward it already, so:

 

Axonn + Carapar

  • Both have tremendous strength.
  • Both spent lots of time in the Southern Islands.
    • Both were once warlords in the Southern Islands. Axonn became a warlord in the Southern Islands after the Hand of Artakha disbanded, and Carapar ruled the Southern Islands as part of the League of Six Kingdoms.
  • Any differences in powers between Carapar and Axonn can realistically be attributed to Pit Mutagen.
Seeing as Carapar and Axonn were both warlords, it would make sense if this were the dominant species in the Southern Islands.

 

Now, I think this grouping makes a fair amount of sense. Based on that, let's see if/how any other characters fit into it.

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