Seeking An Image Of The Prototype Baterra

[Makuta_of_Oz]

I recently asked LEGO if they had a photo of their prototype of the baterra set that nearly got released in 2010. They couldn't supply an image, but they did suggest looking in blogs and forums. So I decided to ask here: does anyone have any photos of the prototype, or any clues as to how I could find one?

[Eljay: Toa of Mangosteen]

If you can prove that the Baterra was a planned 2010 set, then I'm sure you'd also be able to prove there was a prototype. I've never heard of either being in existance. Ever. Add on to that the fact that if they made a prototype, not only would we somehow get pictures, but it would more than likely be a set. I currently can't think of a set that has a prototype, and not been made. Not to mention that the Baterra weren't even a big part of the story, OR that the only planned sets in 2010 were the Stars, and you have right there a non-exsistant prototype. Unless you can get proof that they had planned a Baterra set, I can't imagine pictures of one.

Edited February 9, 2012 by Eljay: Toa of Mangosteen

[Makuta_of_Oz]

Here's your proof.Just a heads-up, it's a link to the Archive, so you will be logged out as soon as you click the link.

[Eljay: Toa of Mangosteen]

Alright, now where was it said that there was ever a prototype?

[vulpelibrorum]

Well, BS01 has a picture of the baterra taken from one of the comics. That may imply that the artist had acess to a prototype of some sort for reference, unless it was just an interpritation.

[Makuta_of_Oz]

Fall And Rise Of The Skrall has VERY detailed baterra art!Plus, when I asked LEGO about getting that photo, they said nothing about the prototype not existing.

[Kumata]

I don't have the exact quote, but I'm very sure that Greg said the artist for Fall and Rise of the Skrall used the prototype of the Baterra sets for reference.

[BULiK]

Fall And Rise Of The Skrall has VERY detailed baterra art!Plus, when I asked LEGO about getting that photo, they said nothing about the prototype not existing.

Fall and rise of the skrall? whats that?

[Fantasia]

Fall And Rise Of The Skrall has VERY detailed baterra art!Plus, when I asked LEGO about getting that photo, they said nothing about the prototype not existing.

Fall and rise of the skrall? whats that?

Fall and Rise of the Skrall is a comic included in the eighth graphic novel Legends of Bara Magna.BS01 PageI have never heard of a prototype Baterra set. I hope you can find an image, Makuta_of_Oz. Edited February 9, 2012 by Fantasia

[Toa Smoke Monster]

I've heard that there was a Baterra set planned, but I've never seen any photos of it. I always assumed that the drawings of them in Legends of Bara Magna were what they were going to look like.

[Eljay: Toa of Mangosteen]

Fall And Rise Of The Skrall has VERY detailed baterra art!Plus, when I asked LEGO about getting that photo, they said nothing about the prototype not existing.

Chances are, you got someone who had no clue what a Battera was. The only pictures we have of the Baterra are those of the comics. Otherwise, no. Prototypes wouldn't have been made for 2010 if as far as they got before Bionicle was cancelled was the story planning. Basicly, there are no pictures of any sort of prototype set of the Battera. Never have, nor will be. If there is something that can prove me wrong, then you're gonna be hard pressed to find them.

[Ektris]

No image exists so far as any person here has access to. That is a simple fact.)Should the prototypes exist (regardless of how far into the prototype stage they are - it is still possible for them to have been made, Eljay), your one and only way of seeing them is to contact the illustrators directly and inquire as to their source for the project. Nobody else can help you.~|ET|~

[Sumiki]

If LEGO neither confirms nor denies that there was, at one point, a prototype Baterra set, this does not automatically mean there was or was not one. You just can't assume anything one way or another without more information.The last planned line was in 2009. The Stars were hastily designed and produced for the fans, partly upon the urging of Binkmeister, a.k.a. Kelly. We were lucky to get them in the first place.Also, there have been plenty of characters that look like they may have been sets but were not. Artists do not have to have a set form in front of them to draw that character - heck, concept art is usually enough to whittle a final form from.

Edited February 9, 2012 by Sumiki

[Eljay: Toa of Mangosteen]

No image exists so far as any person here has access to. That is a simple fact.)Should the prototypes exist (regardless of how far into the prototype stage they are - it is still possible for them to have been made, Eljay), your one and only way of seeing them is to contact the illustrators directly and inquire as to their source for the project. Nobody else can help you.~|ET|~

True, but 2010 wasn't a year that the set/artists had much time to construct anything for the Battera, I'd believe. Like Sumiki said, the Stars were basicly all that were composed and worked on. To me, this seems like a case of Ahkmou, who was planned as a 2008 set. I heard that the plans were scrapped, so this may be the case here as well. Regardless, I personally doubt they'd even go so far as to make prototypes, but alas, I may be mistaken.

[Ektris]

Prototypes are typically made well in advance, which is why I said that there's still the possibility for their existence.It just is, indeed, rather unlikely.~|ET|~

[Makuta_of_Oz]

Fall And Rise Of The Skrall has VERY detailed baterra art!Plus, when I asked LEGO about getting that photo, they said nothing about the prototype not existing.

Chances are, you got someone who had no clue what a Battera was. The only pictures we have of the Baterra are those of the comics. Otherwise, no. Prototypes wouldn't have been made for 2010 if as far as they got before Bionicle was cancelled was the story planning. Basicly, there are no pictures of any sort of prototype set of the Battera. Never have, nor will be. If there is something that can prove me wrong, then you're gonna be hard pressed to find them.

Greg once said that each year's story is based around the sets released that year, so that would likely mean the set design process comes before the story is created, most likely because LEGO sells toys, not stories, making the sets more important.

[Eljay: Toa of Mangosteen]

Fall And Rise Of The Skrall has VERY detailed baterra art!Plus, when I asked LEGO about getting that photo, they said nothing about the prototype not existing.

Chances are, you got someone who had no clue what a Battera was. The only pictures we have of the Baterra are those of the comics. Otherwise, no. Prototypes wouldn't have been made for 2010 if as far as they got before Bionicle was cancelled was the story planning. Basicly, there are no pictures of any sort of prototype set of the Battera. Never have, nor will be. If there is something that can prove me wrong, then you're gonna be hard pressed to find them.

Greg once said that each year's story is based around the sets released that year, so that would likely mean the set design process comes before the story is created, most likely because LEGO sells toys, not stories, making the sets more important.

Weither there were any prototypes or not, the pictures don't exsist. They either never exsisted, or have been scrapped long ago, with Ahkmou.

[Logan Tec]

i have looked every were for a battera pic only found some mocs of them so if there is a pic of one i don't think it has been leaked. but as makuta of oz said the books are based off the sets because sometimes they make last minute changes so Greg has to change part of the book because of the sets so makes since that there may very well be some pic some were on the world wide web so you never know

[Hexann]

I recently asked LEGO if they had a photo of their prototype of the baterra set that nearly got released in 2010. They couldn't supply an image, but they did suggest looking in blogs and forums. So I decided to ask here: does anyone have any photos of the prototype, or any clues as to how I could find one?

You should know that if you want any other prototype images I would strongly suggest going to BMP (tronec.org/BMP)

[a goose]

I recently asked LEGO if they had a photo of their prototype of the baterra set that nearly got released in 2010. They couldn't supply an image, but they did suggest looking in blogs and forums. So I decided to ask here: does anyone have any photos of the prototype, or any clues as to how I could find one?

You should know that if you want any other prototype images I would strongly suggest going to BMP (tronec.org/BMP)

FYI, Hakann, those aren't 'prototype images' they're concept art.But, as everyone else said, AFAIK there are no pictures of the Battera, whether the prototype was made or not, than you could gain access to. Sorry.- Vorex

[Toa Zaz]

As I recall, at some point Greg mentioned that he briefly saw a prototype Baterra set at a meeting in Denmark. However, he couldn't recall it's appearance, and I think he mentioned that the baterra in the comic wasn't based on the prototype at all. I'm guessing there aren't any images on the web.

[Rahkshi Guurahk]

As I recall, at some point Greg mentioned that he briefly saw a prototype Baterra set at a meeting in Denmark. However, he couldn't recall it's appearance, and I think he mentioned that the baterra in the comic wasn't based on the prototype at all. I'm guessing there aren't any images on the web.

*jawdrop*thanks for the info.

[Makuta_of_Oz]

As I recall, at some point Greg mentioned that he briefly saw a prototype Baterra set at a meeting in Denmark. However, he couldn't recall it's appearance, and I think he mentioned that the baterra in the comic wasn't based on the prototype at all. I'm guessing there aren't any images on the web.

Hmm, then maybe the baterra we saw in the comics was the final product?

[Rahkshi Guurahk]

As I recall, at some point Greg mentioned that he briefly saw a prototype Baterra set at a meeting in Denmark. However, he couldn't recall it's appearance, and I think he mentioned that the baterra in the comic wasn't based on the prototype at all. I'm guessing there aren't any images on the web.

Hmm, then maybe the baterra we saw in the comics was the final product?

possible...

[Toa Zaz]

II think Greg said that the artists just made up the Baterra image for the comic.

[Collector1]

I saw the sets, but they were fake.

[Makuta_of_Oz]

II think Greg said that the artists just made up the Baterra image for the comic.

Then how did they design the helmet?Either way, I find his hard to believe because of the high level of detail in the baterra in Fall And Rise Of The Skrall.

[Mesonak]

He said that the artists just made up how the Baterra look for the comic.Key words: made up.AKA created, by themselves, from scratch Any way they wanted them to look. Artistic license goes a long way.-Mesonak

[Makuta_of_Oz]

He said that the artists just made up how the Baterra look for the comic.Key words: made up.AKA created, by themselves, from scratch Any way they wanted them to look.Artistic license goes a long way.-Mesonak

You don't have to get hostile, Mesonak. I'm just saying that the amazing detail they put into them in FaRotS makes that hard to believe.

[Mesonak]

He said that the artists just made up how the Baterra look for the comic.Key words: made up.AKA created, by themselves, from scratch Any way they wanted them to look.Artistic license goes a long way.-Mesonak

You don't have to get hostile, Mesonak. I'm just saying that the amazing detail they put into them in FaRotS makes that hard to believe.

?I'm sorry if I sounded hostile; that's not how I feel. Was just letting my thoughts on the matter be known. Sorry if I sounded agitated. :/Valid point, but that tends to happen when somebody's given free reign over designing something. They let their creativity flow when designing something, and it has potential to be well done (as we saw in that comic).-Mesonak Edited March 4, 2012 by Mesonak

[Bfahome]

There are several Southern Continent Matoran that would like a word with you.Also from what I can see, there isn't a lot of detail put into them, at least in terms of the design. They're humanoid things with roundish armor that has spikes which, if they're based on anything, look like they're based on Hero Factory armor pieces. Their blue "skeleton" has none of the little details that other characters do, like the pin holes or textures from their real-life counterparts.It could be that those pieces were originally going to be used for some Baterra set, but if that's the case then I think the artists were working from very early prototype designs, or maybe even just vague descriptions. If at all.

[Aanchir]

There are several Southern Continent Matoran that would like a word with you.Also from what I can see, there isn't a lot of detail put into them, at least in terms of the design. They're humanoid things with roundish armor that has spikes which, if they're based on anything, look like they're based on Hero Factory armor pieces. Their blue "skeleton" has none of the little details that other characters do, like the pin holes or textures from their real-life counterparts.It could be that those pieces were originally going to be used for some Baterra set, but if that's the case then I think the artists were working from very early prototype designs, or maybe even just vague descriptions. If at all.

You seem not to have taken a very careful look at all the scenes in which the Baterra appear. Even if they're not based on actual prototype models that were intended to become sets, the artist took great care to make sure they resembled sets, using lots of existing pieces like 54177, 57543, 57563, 60895, and 60896. Details like pin holes are removed from some of these but the basis is obvious, especially in close-up panels like the one where Stronius smashes a Baterra.Of course, the possibility that the artist (Christian Zanier) could have come up with this design entirely on his own is not far-fetched. Previously, in "Hydraxon's Tale", he had drawn some Takea that, while not obviously buildable, were stylistically consistent with Pridak's set design in several ways. The only thing that makes a physical model much more likely to have existed in the case of the Baterra is the fact that they appear in both Christian Zanier's illustrations for "Fall and Rise of the Skrall" and Stuart Sayger's illustrations for "All Our Sins Remembered". But frankly, Sayger's sketchy style is so abstracted from the physical models that he could have easily simply based his Baterra on Zanier's illustrations.All in all, the main way to learn the truth about what the Baterra in "Fall and Rise of the Skrall" were based on is to specifically request information and/or pictures from Christian Zanier, the illustrator. But beyond that there are likely no options. Edited March 4, 2012 by Aanchir: Rachira of Time

[Bfahome]

There are several Southern Continent Matoran that would like a word with you.Also from what I can see, there isn't a lot of detail put into them, at least in terms of the design. They're humanoid things with roundish armor that has spikes which, if they're based on anything, look like they're based on Hero Factory armor pieces. Their blue "skeleton" has none of the little details that other characters do, like the pin holes or textures from their real-life counterparts.It could be that those pieces were originally going to be used for some Baterra set, but if that's the case then I think the artists were working from very early prototype designs, or maybe even just vague descriptions. If at all.

You seem not to have taken a very careful look at all the scenes in which the Baterra appear. Even if they're not based on actual prototype models that were intended to become sets, the artist took great care to make sure they resembled sets, using lots of existing pieces like 54177, 57543, 57563, 60895, and 60896. Details like pin holes are removed from some of these but the basis is obvious, especially in close-up panels like the one where Stronius smashes a Baterra.

Actually yeah the only ones I saw were on wiki pages for Baterra, and they didn't have those details.So anyway.Pretty cool-looking, wouldn't say they look too much like something that would be a set, though. Especially coming after the Glatorian.

[Kopekemaster]

To quote BS01:The baterra are a group of violent, mechanical shapeshifting entities created by the Great Beings.Emphasis on "shapeshifting"

[Makuta_of_Oz]

To quote BS01:The baterra are a group of violent, mechanical shapeshifting entities created by the Great Beings.Emphasis on "shapeshifting"

To quote BS01:In their default form, Baterra armor is silver in color.Emphasis on "default form" :PWhen not trying to shapeshift, baterra take on a particular form; the form they were in when the Great Beings built them, I believe. Edited March 25, 2012 by Makuta_of_Oz

[Dralcax]

Probably got scrapped before prototyping.