Lenny7092 Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Hi, guys. We have watched Seasons 1 and 2 of Dragon Rising. It isn’t the Ninjago that we know anymore. I mean, many major characters from the other show are nowhere to be found. Jay has lost his memories somehow and disappeared, like the Winter Soldier from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. There is this boy named Arin, who became rogue because he wants to find his parents. The Ninja are having the darkest hour of their lives. Well, here are what we can hope for: Jay getting his memories somehow, rejoin the Ninja, and catch up with them. Arin finding his parents and go back to being a good guy. All of the Realms will be revealed officially. At least some of the major characters, including Wu, will reappear. The bad guys being defeated and imprisoned finally. The Merge being undone somehow. A detailed flashback about how the Merge happened. Season 3 being the last season of the show because it gives me the vibes from the original Star Wars trilogy in 1977-1983 and Sonic Prime in 2022-2024. There are some maybes: The characters from Legends of Chima would appear. If Lord Garmadon is alive, I hope he will be cured again. I hope Lloyd would make himself younger again. It’s been 12 years since he had Tomorrow’s Tea. Perhaps the end of Season 3 would reveal another group of realms, which would be outside of Ninjago’s group of realms. It would have Nexo Knights, Dreamzzz, Power Miners, Atlantis, Alien Conquest, Pharaoh’s Quest, Dino Attack, (Lego) Castle, (Lego) Space, and (Lego) City because The Adventures of Clutch Powers, Nexo Knights, and Dreamzzz act like they are related to Ninjago. We all need shared-universe crossovers these days, you know. I believe it would be a good idea to tell Lego Customer Service about it or at least use Lego World Builder to state your stories. Quote I like Lego, Bionicle, and Hero Factory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Inika Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Don't complain to LEGO Customer Service about not liking a television show. They're there to solve problems like when a LEGO set is missing pieces. If you don't enjoy Rising Dragons, don't consume it, and if enough people share your opinion and don't consume it, then it won't be profitable and LEGO will either cancel or change it. That being said, though I haven't watched Rising Dragons (or any Ninjago post-season 3), I feel like many of your criticisms will not necessarily be shared by other people. Quote "You are an absolute in these uncertain times. Your past is forgotten, and your future is an empty book. You must find your own destiny, my brave adventurer." -- Turaga Nokama Click here to visit my library! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny7092 Posted October 5 Author Share Posted October 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, Master Inika said: Don't complain to LEGO Customer Service about not liking a television show. They're there to solve problems like when a LEGO set is missing pieces. If you don't enjoy Rising Dragons, don't consume it, and if enough people share your opinion and don't consume it, then it won't be profitable and LEGO will either cancel or change it. That being said, though I haven't watched Rising Dragons (or any Ninjago post-season 3), I feel like many of your criticisms will not necessarily be shared by other people. That is not a nice way to respond to my topic, man, even if you haven’t watched Rising Dragons. No offense. Plus, I am not criticizing in the way you think. I’m telling people about my (or our) hopes for the show. Things are different now, sure, but really, this show is a bit too different from the other one that we always love. I am sure there are many other people who understand my topic. As for Lego Customer Service, I think they can somehow understand what I’m talking about. I don’t know how else we can let Lego know what we want from Ninjago’s story. It’s not easy. If we don’t speak up, we can’t make things perfect for the story. That’s why I would want to reply on Lego Customer Service somehow. I hope you understand. Edited October 5 by Lenny7092 Quote I like Lego, Bionicle, and Hero Factory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Inika Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 2 hours ago, Lenny7092 said: That is not a nice way to respond to my topic, man, even if you haven’t watched Rising Dragons. No offense. Plus, I am not criticizing in the way you think. I’m telling people about my (or our) hopes for the show. Things are different now, sure, but really, this show is a bit too different from the other one that we always love. I am sure there are many other people who understand my topic. As for Lego Customer Service, I think they can somehow understand what I’m talking about. I don’t know how else we can let Lego know what we want from Ninjago’s story. It’s not easy. If we don’t speak up, we can’t make things perfect for the story. That’s why I would want to reply on Lego Customer Service somehow. I hope you understand. That's not what the customer service number is for, I don't know how to say it more nicely. I don't know why you're referring to yourself as "we", it seems like it's only you with these specific opinions about Ninjago. Quote "You are an absolute in these uncertain times. Your past is forgotten, and your future is an empty book. You must find your own destiny, my brave adventurer." -- Turaga Nokama Click here to visit my library! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nato G Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 3 hours ago, Lenny7092 said: As for Lego Customer Service, I think they can somehow understand what I’m talking about. As Master Inika said, that is not what customer service is for. At best, you'll receive a copy-pasted "thank you for your message" response. If you want to put your feedback where it might get actionable results, try review sites or discussion forums. 3 hours ago, Lenny7092 said: I don’t know how else we can let Lego know what we want from Ninjago’s story. It’s not easy. If we don’t speak up, we can’t make things perfect for the story. I feel like I see this kind of attitude more and more often from people on the internet these days. You can't make anything. You aren't part of the writer's room. You aren't a producer or executive whose word can effect things. You're a viewer. The only power you have is that you can choose whether you want to consume the content, or not. The show is being made for you, yes, but only in the general sense. You are just one among thousands, maybe millions, of people viewing the show, each with their own hopes and opinions about where the story should go next. The people who make the decisions aren't going to bend over backwards to alter plans that were probably made years ago to cater to the whims of one random person on the internet. This sense of entitlement and ownership that many "fans" seem to have for their favourite franchises, this belief so many people have that their personal vision of what the story should be is "perfect" and that anything that doesn't cater to their exact specific theories or whims is a failure, is a big part of why so many fandoms are considered toxic these days. My advice? Just sit back and enjoy the show. It's meant to be entertainment, so let it entertain you. Let it excite you. Let it disappoint you. Let it surprise you. Nothing is ever going to be able to perfectly appeal to everyone who watches it. Twisting something away from its original vision to suit your own will just ruin it for others. Quote Embers - A Bionicle Saga - Chapters/Review Ballads of the Bionicle - lore/character songs - Topic Class Is Out - A Farewell To Corpus Rahkshi - Chapters/Review BZPRPG Characters - Minnorak, Kain, T'harrak, Savis, Vazaria, Lash BZPRPG Mercenary Group - The Outsiders - Description - History - Base Ghosts Of Bara Magna - Ash Tribe - Precipere - Kehla, Somok, Skrall, Gayle, Avinus, Zha'ar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterchirox580 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 (edited) I remember when the Ninjago show first came out. I remember liking it's initial pilot and perhaps a bit of the first season but that quickly turned south. I simply wasn't in the audience for it by the time it came out. I'm personally not in the know on ninjago as it meant very little to me. I'm not surprised that they've done a soft reboot on it because you can only keep a line going for so long before it alienates the new kids. I've seen screenshots of the thing and it's very..... Modern. The minifigure design looks like they're trying to emulate those twitch streamers that the current fortnite obsessed generation of kids are into. Of course back when the series first came out twitch streamers were not mainstream by any stretch and there was definitely no fortnite. If I was you I would suggest turning your attention elsewhere. I myself very quickly stopped bothering with this stuff between ages 12-13 as I was increasingly frustrated by Lego's offerings not hitting like it used to. At the time I blamed it on a quality issue but it's increasingly clear that I was just getting older and growing out of it. I distinctly remember this issue occurring in the MLP fanbase. Those of us who were older fans/bronies essentially abandoned it en masse circa 2015. Why? Well despite it having some very good elements to it, it was heavily limited by its' target demographic. Plotlines and characters could only go so far in order to meet the needs of Hasbro as a company. It's fun in small doses but once it very quickly hits the wall, it just becomes kind of boring. This applies to just about everything, including the media you would have grown up with as a child. Take my personal favourite throughout much of the 2000s. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The 2000s version was a very gritty and relatively edgy version of the 80s cartoon. It was perfect for me at the time. Would I watch it now? Perhaps a small amount here and there for sheer nostalgia but I would never go through the entire series as even TMNT could only do so much. Characters can't really develop because you need to make sure they can still be used into the next season. Of course exceptions do exist and some children's media holds up very well into adulthood. Toy story being one great example of this. But I tend to find that most media that holds up that well is usually film. Kids' TV very rarely holds up that well due to this issue. I should also note that kids' TV is often more censored compared to the cinema. I would personally recommend the manga market as it can give you a familiar visual style with stories more aimed towards adults. Edited October 10 by masterchirox580 2 Quote It's time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Inika Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 20 hours ago, masterchirox580 said: I remember when the Ninjago show first came out. I remember liking it's initial pilot and perhaps a bit of the first season but that quickly turned south. I simply wasn't in the audience for it by the time it came out. I'm personally not in the know on ninjago as it meant very little to me. I'm not surprised that they've done a soft reboot on it because you can only keep a line going for so long before it alienates the new kids. I've seen screenshots of the thing and it's very..... Modern. The minifigure design looks like they're trying to emulate those twitch streamers that the current fortnite obsessed generation of kids are into. Of course back when the series first came out twitch streamers were not mainstream by any stretch and there was definitely no fortnite. If I was you I would suggest turning your attention elsewhere. I myself very quickly stopped bothering with this stuff between ages 12-13 as I was increasingly frustrated by Lego's offerings not hitting like it used to. At the time I blamed it on a quality issue but it's increasingly clear that I was just getting older and growing out of it. I distinctly remember this issue occurring in the MLP fanbase. Those of us who were older fans/bronies essentially abandoned it en masse circa 2015. Why? Well despite it having some very good elements to it, it was heavily limited by its' target demographic. Plotlines and characters could only go so far in order to meet the needs of Hasbro as a company. It's fun in small doses but once it very quickly hits the wall, it just becomes kind of boring. This applies to just about everything, including the media you would have grown up with as a child. Take my personal favourite throughout much of the 2000s. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. The 2000s version was a very gritty and relatively edgy version of the 80s cartoon. It was perfect for me at the time. Would I watch it now? Perhaps a small amount here and there for sheer nostalgia but I would never go through the entire series as even TMNT could only do so much. Characters can't really develop because you need to make sure they can still be used into the next season. Of course exceptions do exist and some children's media holds up very well into adulthood. Toy story being one great example of this. But I tend to find that most media that holds up that well is usually film. Kids' TV very rarely holds up that well due to this issue. I should also note that kids' TV is often more censored compared to the cinema. I would personally recommend the manga market as it can give you a familiar visual style with stories more aimed towards adults. I just looked up some stills from the show, and sweet Matoro you're right. I'm marathoning MLP:FiM with a friend of mine (who has never seen it) and we recently finished Season 6. I saw part of Season 7 and none of 8 or 9. With three more seasons to go, I'm kind of afraid of what it will be like. I know the show never gets bad per se, but I've read so much weird takes about it. My friend still seems to be enjoying it, so maybe it'll still be good. I've tried getting into new Marvel animated shows. They weren't bad, but at the same time, I just didn't want to watch more than one episode. It's surreal. 1 Quote "You are an absolute in these uncertain times. Your past is forgotten, and your future is an empty book. You must find your own destiny, my brave adventurer." -- Turaga Nokama Click here to visit my library! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterchirox580 Posted October 11 Share Posted October 11 1 hour ago, Master Inika said: I just looked up some stills from the show, and sweet Matoro you're right. I'm marathoning MLP:FiM with a friend of mine (who has never seen it) and we recently finished Season 6. I saw part of Season 7 and none of 8 or 9. With three more seasons to go, I'm kind of afraid of what it will be like. I know the show never gets bad per se, but I've read so much weird takes about it. My friend still seems to be enjoying it, so maybe it'll still be good. I've tried getting into new Marvel animated shows. They weren't bad, but at the same time, I just didn't want to watch more than one episode. It's surreal. Yeah if you look at Lego's current minifigure lineup they've got a real thing for characters with multicoloured hair and having this twitch style. The Dreamzzz line also features this. My guess is that Lego wants to keep kids' attention and so copies fortnite. I personally can't say I like the designs much but I guess that's how things are going. Kids seem to like neon colours way more nowadays. And yeah that'll happen with these programmes they're not really bad but they cannot keep your attention as you grow older. The themes in them are just too simplistic. Certainly good if you're a child but the older you get it all just becomes kinda meh. The themes just cannot be that complex. Quote It's time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Wah! Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) Yeah, to be honest, the writing of the first Ninjago seasons doesn't hold up that much, and is sometimes really bad. Lots of boring filler, the characters do a lot of very unintelligent things, and sometimes come across as really unsympathetic and mean-spirited(especially Kai), character development is pretty small and fleeting and the humor is very Jar Jar Binks-esque at times. I feel like they're heavily carried by nostalgia these days for a lot a people. Edited October 29 by Sailor Wah! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterchirox580 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sailor Wah! said: Yeah, to be honest, the writing of the first Ninjago seasons doesn't hold up that much, and is sometimes really bad. Lots of boring filler, the characters do a lot of very unintelligent things, and sometimes come across as really unsympathetic and mean-spirited(especially Kai), character development is pretty small and fleeting and the humor is very Jar Jar Binks-esque at times. I feel like they're heavily carried by nostalgia these days for a lot a people. I remember the first time I started to not like the series. It was either episode six or seven when Zane's backstory was revealed. I remember looking forward because some of the materials from the 2011 books was saying he showed up in a village one day having lost all memory. Kind of like the Toa or even Shadow the hedgehog. I thought there would be some sort of orphan backstory or something similar, but no. Instead he was just a robot. And from what I recall the creator just kind of forgot about him. I remember absolutely hating that as there was so much kids media that did a better job of this. It just became more apparent for me as time went on that it wasn't very good. I'll never forget the line "Evil runs through my veins" from lord Garmadon. It was such a dumb line. So on the nose it felt insulting. Like something out of a pre school show. Edited October 29 by masterchirox580 1 Quote It's time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Wah! Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 4 hours ago, masterchirox580 said: I remember the first time I started to not like the series. It was either episode six or seven when Zane's backstory was revealed. I remember looking forward because some of the materials from the 2011 books was saying he showed up in a village one day having lost all memory. Kind of like the Toa or even Shadow the hedgehog. I thought there would be some sort of orphan backstory or something similar, but no. Instead he was just a robot. And from what I recall the creator just kind of forgot about him. I remember absolutely hating that as there was so much kids media that did a better job of this. It just became more apparent for me as time went on that it wasn't very good. I actually thought this was one of the more interesting ideas they had, and Zane's backstory is actually quite emotional, they only make the least of what could be made of it since Zane gets very quickly in terms with it and basically remains the same character. Plus there was no reason why they had to bring Zane's father back, it ruins the sad flashback, he does absolutely nothing for the rest of the season and then he dies off-screen again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterchirox580 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 hour ago, Sailor Wah! said: I actually thought this was one of the more interesting ideas they had, and Zane's backstory is actually quite emotional, they only make the least of what could be made of it since Zane gets very quickly in terms with it and basically remains the same character. Plus there was no reason why they had to bring Zane's father back, it ruins the sad flashback, he does absolutely nothing for the rest of the season and then he dies off-screen again. Yeah it didn't develop his character at all and was promptly forgotten. I could also talk about the problems with Lloyd. His actions indicating he was somewhere around the age of 5 or 6 and not 14 like the story claimed. There was also a bunch of plot holes related to how exactly Lloyd even existed to begin with. The story indicated that Lord Garmadon had been in the underworld for decades and yet Lloyd was only 14? The timeline didn't really make any sense. But back to the topic of Zane it kind of shows the problem I pointed out with character development on children's TV. That is to say there rarely is any because the creators need to ensure that the character can be used indefinitely. Zane is a very good example of this. Bionicle was actually something of an exception to this as due to it having year long arcs told mostly via online comics and stories it was possible to develop the characters. Although that being said the characters in Bionicle weren't exactly it's strongsuit so much as the wider world they lived in, in my opinion. 1 Quote It's time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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