And anyways, everything I mentioned that you would call "obscure" only needed brought up as evidence against arguments you were using which themselves are highly rare, so arguably obscure too. I started out pointing out that you don't need to understand all those things to simply accept that a fictional substance could work in ways unlike real-world stuff. For most fans that seems to be enough. So, if you're going to ask for more details, it doesn't make sense to complain when you get them. You didn't have to ask.

It sounds like what you're saying is you may be fairly new to Bionicle? I didn't realize that. If that's so, that's okay, but remember that the things that were established were done over a span of years, so fans had time back then to get these things gradually. If you're coming at such a complex worldbuilding story later and trying to get it all quickly in hindsight, it's unlikely it will be so easy. Take it slow and read up. I don't think we need to inform you of everything that was established first before we try to have a conversation about it; you can do that on your own time. (Again no offense... just advice that should help. )

Nice, try. bucko. i joined Bionicle in 2004. anything i hadn't heard of would have been something that the general bionicle fan public would also have been unaware of, and thus. problematically obscure. :/

 

 

:burnmad: !!!

"I don't know how long you've been with Bionicle, fisher"

(I include this quote to explain why I'm mad. It's from a discussion that I read over and over again, and it's in the archive and gone, so don't go looking for it. I remember that after this there were several lines about stuff bones knew because he had been around since 2001, and I started in '05 with '04 story.

As such, I might be overreacting a little.)

I don't claim the moral ground here. I could be really, really wrong, but there is nothing on this website that ticks me off more than elitism. Elitism is the very wrong claim that "I know more than you, therefore you should listen and accept all of my answers."

How about NO!

On BZPower, it comes as "we know more about Bionicle than you, therefore you should listen and accept all of our answers." That's our position about Bionicle story as opposed to everyone else.

And how about this. I started Bionicle in 2004. I read every offical story source that I could get my hands on, followed the Bionicle websites regularly for years, and me and my brother put effort into making sure we completed all the Bionicle games. I was confident walking in here that I knew everything that there was to know about Bionicle. Or at least, all of the important things. Even if I didn't know all of the details, I would be able to have a conversation without being told that I didn't know stuff. If I complained about something, I didn't expect to be...attacked.

Probably me being stupid, sure. Because BZPower has decided more answers about Bionicle than even the official story has. They decide all the answers. And then they shove them down the new members' throats when ever they complain or ask a question. "This is what we decided, and this is how it is, buckwheat. Suck it up. Oh, and good luck finding out all of what we know - it's all over a semi-reliable wiki and buried in Greg answer archives that is all wound together in the worst kind of information spaghetti ever known." And who is this "we"? The people of BZPower, under the strong influence of the Reference Keeper Team. Even if they didn't make the canon laws in the first place, they will beleaguer every one with "canon" until everyone marches to the same drum and salutes smartly to their opinions based on the canon that they decided to accept!

Now me, I'm a girl, and in some respects I'm awfully patient. I'd like to believe that problems can be fixed, that if someone "new" showed up someone old and told them that they didn't know the laws as well as they thought they did, I'd send this attitude packing - and it did seem to work for a time. A lot of my work on the Greg Ref was for this reason. Put it in the stars! Show everyone why these people think this way! Fix it! Mostly I just wanted to ignore that this attitude existed - people came in here looking for answers, and so I brought them. I like having more answers and shoving them in everyone's face. Don't we all? Such desires are evil!

But you see, all of this is just a pillar of sand in our minds. If BZPower and BS01 did not exist, I could go back to my 2010 knowledge of Bionicle and say that it was complete. That knowledge was enjoyable to me. BZP and BS01 hold up Bionicle and say "You can't understand this. Our Bionicle is better than your Bionicle. Our details fill in your gaps, and if you don't know what we know, you don't know Bionicle." And you know what that claim is based on? Peer pressure, group agreement that I wasn't consulted about. Which is absolutely nothing. In my brighter moments I laugh at such absurdity.

My response was to learn, because I wanted to talk about Bionicle story with people. Ticking people off does no good. And it is partly in my taste to understand things in more depth and detail, as I find that leads to more opportunities, like with fanfiction writing. The other problem is that I don't have the answer to this problem, and I really wish that I did.

Based on this, though, the people who suggested the moratorium on canonization? That would give BS01 and BZ's elites even more control over canon. I'm starting to think that I trust GregF more on this. He never told people to "read up" on Bionicle canon in order to ask him a question. There's a difference between giving people the answers they want and shoving answers down people's throats, too, in the middle of a debate.

Okay. This is calmer fishers speaking. As you can see from the above, elitism ticks me off. The above is my immediate feelings (emphasis, emphasis, emphasis) upon reading the above quotes. I'm not sure what the prudent thing is to do here, but I do want to say this: I respect the staff, and I respect bonesiii. This blog post is not to implicate him specifically, only to show why I brought this up now -- in context, it is not as bad as I make it sound, and I have seen worse. I have seen many other instances of this on BZPower in 2010 in a lot of forums with a lot of people, and I dug in to fight it in every way I could. If this starts again, I will dig in again until my last post, because I know firsthand how much this hurts, both online and off. I won't stand for this. Ever.

EVERYONE, new member or staff member, deserves to be treated with respect.

--fishers64