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Theoretical Physics Thought Experiment


Letagi

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I spent the morning conducting a theoretical physics thought experiment.

 

An effect of general relativity is that the closer you are to a gravitational source (an object with mass), the slower time flows.

 

Near a black hole, which has infinite density, this effect is enormous. In fact, the result of this effect is that, as you approach a singularity, as you look towards the black hole you see its entire history, and as you look away from the black hole you see the entire future of the universe (rather, you would if you had the means to survive the trip thus far and to make sense of an infinite amount of gravitationally distorted data in the instant you enter the singularity). This is because time for the rest of the universe is moving infinitely fast relative to time in your reference frame.

 

Anyways. Now imagine you had the means to teleport away from the singularity the instant before you enter it. Like I said, time for the rest of the universe is moving infinitely fast relative to time in your frame of reference. So when in time would you end up? Infinitely far into the future? That doesn't really make sense in terms of defining a timeframe in which you can exist.

 

I thought maybe you'd end up in a completely random timeframe. Then I thought you'd end up "smeared" across a range of timeframes, which would then split into infinitely many timelines, but aside from probably being totally incorrect, that would also violate conservation of energy (making infinitely many copies of you out of nothing).

 

In other words, I still have no idea.

 

-Letagi

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You know what I thought about today?

"You should have" is to "Shouldn't you have?" as "You ought to have" is to what?

 

I eventually decided that "Oughtn't you to have?" was probably correct.

 

*Snaps fingers*

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If you're past the event horizon of a black hole, information cannot escape, since light cannot escape. This is because, in some sense, time and space swap roles past the event horizon. Outside the event horizon, moving forward in time is inevitable. Inside the event horizon, moving toward the singularity is inevitable.

 

So now the question is, what do you mean when you say "teleport?" Are we somehow transferring the information of your body's makeup? Because that will never escape the black hole. Are we accessing an extra dimension to move over a large amount of space by taking a shortcut, like a wormhole?. If so, can such a thing exist within the event horizon of a black hole and help you survive? I don't know.

 

Suffice it to say, with our current knowledge of black holes, we can't get information about them within their event horizons. If we ever did figure that out, it would be groundbreaking.

 

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Right, so we would be past the event horizon, "teleporting" out the instant before entering the singularity. I understand that's impossible for the reason you stated, which is why this will probably never be anything more than a thought experiment. I figured that I was already basically invoking magic by assuming the hypothetical traveler was still alive near the singularity, which would also be impossible, so spontaneous teleportation that breaks the laws of physics isn't too much further a leap. :P

 

The question would also make sense from the point of view of moving at the speed of light, but coming out of that reference frame would involve a deceleration, and as soon as you decelerate even a little, time moves at a finite rate for you (or faster than a standstill for the outside universe, depending on your point of view). So if you could go from the speed of light to zero velocity instantaneously, the same question would apply.

 

Actually, the scenario doesn't even have to involve a black hole or luminal speeds. A more general form of the question would be, "If you left a frame of reference where time was moving infinitely slowly relative to outside that frame, when in time would you end up?" 

 

-L

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