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Well now I can't buy one.

I had the highest bid and now I can't get it.

Yup. Also, the Toa Stones weren't used to create Toa from Matoran, merely to summon existing Toa. I'm under the impression that the majority of the power that Toa Stones drain occurs when they are activated, as Lhikann still had his powers after creating the six stones (and was only shown as a Turaga after they had been activated).

The Toa Metru actually made Toa stones as well, albeit one per person. They hid them around the Island in book 6 (Maze of Shadows) and they were the stones that Takua gathered in the first videogame which summoned the Toa Mata.

But yeah, they don't prevent death or anything like that. Becoming a Turaga is really a matter of losing one's power, which can happen for a number of reasons.

 

@Aanchir

 

I'm not sure where the "completely custom arms and legs" thing is coming from. What I'm talking about is how virtually every Toa-sized figure from Hero Factory season 2 through BIONICLE 2016 has had pretty much the same build - stack CCBS skeleton parts together, buckle armor on, then maybe buckle armor on that armor. I've seen one or two exceptions but the arms and legs look the same from all the angles I've seen.

 

You're completely right in that the Toa-sized sets were very similar in terms of construction. That's always been the case and it's not a bad thing. The problem is when there's no exceptions to that - for example, the Rahi, the Boxor, and the Titans. Sure, I understand that Titans may not sell as much - this is probably because they are marketed most to younger folks and younger folks usually have less money. But they are the spice of any BIONICLE year. Even the least interesting Titans, Sidorak and Nocturn (cool parts but rather dull build) were fun. Without those, a theme is much more homogenous.

 

Raw part counts DO matter, make no mistake, but so does overall look. 

 

I think I mentioned this above but I actually really like the little creatures. They're adorable and fun. I'd have loved if BIONICLE had had more sets like that, just not to the exclusion of the big ones.

Have you built any of the Uniters though? Or 2015 Onua? Some of the Uniters (mind, not all) *do* have custom limbs (I think Lewa is the least CCBS-based, though Kopaka and Pohatu have some custom builds too) and 2015 Onua has a pretty complex and Technic heavy torso. 

 

Umarak the Destroyer also seems like a decent cross between CCBS and the Titans of yore.

 

I do agree though, the Creatures are tiny bundles of awesome.

 

 

I looked again and I am seeing that now. I only have Kopaka (2015, I believe) because of lack of money to explore newer stuff. Definitely better than before.

Umarak the Destroyer vaguely feels that way but his legs look far too thin and the rest of him isn't much better either.

Umarak the Hunter is better but it still lacks the bulk and presence that the older Titans had (and there's still the color stuff which kind of hurts my eyes).

They've tried for Titans before (Witch Doctor) and it just doesn't work as well when you ignore a lot of the building techniques that made them as good as they were. They're getting better but are not there yet.

@Aanchir

I'm not sure where the "completely custom arms and legs" thing is coming from. What I'm talking about is how virtually every Toa-sized figure from Hero Factory season 2 through BIONICLE 2016 has had pretty much the same build - stack CCBS skeleton parts together, buckle armor on, then maybe buckle armor on that armor. I've seen one or two exceptions but the arms and legs look the same from all the angles I've seen.

You're completely right in that the Toa-sized sets were very similar in terms of construction. That's always been the case and it's not a bad thing. The problem is when there's no exceptions to that - for example, the Rahi, the Boxor, and the Titans. Sure, I understand that Titans may not sell as much - this is probably because they are marketed most to younger folks and younger folks usually have less money. But they are the spice of any BIONICLE year. Even the least interesting Titans, Sidorak and Nocturn (cool parts but rather dull build) were fun. Without those, a theme is much more homogenous.

Raw part counts DO matter, make no mistake, but so does overall look. 

I think I mentioned this above but I actually really like the little creatures. They're adorable and fun. I'd have loved if BIONICLE had had more sets like that, just not to the exclusion of the big ones.

I've been reading through many "BIONICLE is ending" threads on both this site and TTV, partly out of genuine curiosity and a want for new info, and partly because it's kind of fun to read Internet arguments.

That being said, I'd like to make my thoughts on this subject known.

First, I'm 100% sure BIONICLE will have 2017 waves. No matter what many say, it would just be idiotic on their part to just completely scrap 2017. They planned out three years, and they will have three years. However, I'm not too sure about 2018 and onward. It might end at 2017, it might not. I don't know.

But if it does end, I won't be too sad. Not because I hate the reboot or anything, far from it. I'm glad BIONICLE got a second chance, and I'm glad it was able to have such good sets released (Yes, I know, some of you don't like the sets, but this is my opinion. Feel free to disagree). I will admit that personally, I'm not the biggest fan of the story. From what I've seen (basically, the animations for 2015, some episodes of JtO, and the first book), the story is meh. But I've been hearing good things from those completely caught up, and I do plan to catch up. I won't pretend the reboot is flawless, because it's not. But it was a valiant effort, and I respect that.

I'd also like to mention an epiphany I've had. I've noticed that many people who dislike G2 are the same ones saying it will end. I'm also pretty sure that these same people campaigned the loudest and hardest for more BIONICLE in the first place. And I'm willing to bet that when and/or if G2 ends, these same people will go back to screaming to Lego, "BRING BACK BIONICLE!" And, assuming Lego does, they'll probably hate G3 too.

My point is that these people, the people who tried so hard to bring back BIONICLE, don't want BIONICLE back. They want BIONICLE G1 back. They don't want a new generation or new ideas; they want what they had before, because that to them is BIONICLE.

That's what I think, at least. I could be wrong. But whatever. If BIONICLE G2 ends, I'll still be happy that we had it for as long as we did, and will eagerly look forward to whatever Lego has next.

Well, yes.

I'm not one of the people who wants G2 to be cancelled (I don't really care either way), but I very much wanted BIONICLE back - a BIONICLE that felt like it did 2001-2009 (yes, there was a large variety over the years, but it had a degree of continuity that makes it reasonable to describe as one thing). I still want that BIONICLE and there's doubtless thousands of fans who also want that as well. I have three CCBS sets and I've never gotten any real joy from assembling them because it never felt like I was building so much as snapping armor onto a skeleton. The newest BIONICLE sets are an improvement but they still don't feel or look remotely like the old sets outside of a few colour cues and the masks. Hence why a lot of the folks who wanted BIONICLE to come back so badly were so bothered by the new BIONICLE, because it feels [and is] totally different.

Making baseless claims about BIONICLE G2's imminent demise and wanting it to be ended, though, is stupid and pointless.

 

This thread, and the two that spawned it, dealt with the (grossly exaggerated) rumor about Bionicle's premature cancellation after 2016. After a handful of fans from the US reported sporadic stocks and some Lego Store employees saying they won't carry some of the sets, a bunch of G2 haters latched onto said rumors as "proof" that Bionicle is bad and will be cancelled.

 

In reality, however, that weird thing the USA has called "retailer exclusivity" (I swear, we don't have that in Europe for any product) means that some Lego sets won't be making it to Lego Stores, while others won't be making it to Target, while others won't be making it to x,y and z. 

Constraction also has had a hard history in the USA, hence the Chima CCBS products were not distributed there.

 

Meaning that even if the doom-and-gloom "reports" coming from the US are true, at worst Bionicle will be pulled from NA.

 

However, in spite of the above explanation about retailers having been supplied by Aanchir, several reports of stellar sales in Europe by several users and some other points I've stated many times across many threads, the haters and doomsayers are adamant about already digging Bionicle's grave in spite of 2017 being guaranteed and at least two years after that being very likely. 

 

So, you know, it's just the internet acting up. Give it some time and it will die down. I used to be pretty vocal in this debate about Bionicle being cancelled, but frankly I no longer see the point.

 

I believe there is another thread discussing what the sets might be like in 2017 and beyond (can't find it right now), however this one is talking about the continued existence of the line, rather than its nature.

 

 

WOW! So bionicle is having a negative impact with the stock market?

 

No, a lot of stores (at least in the US) aren't fully stocking the theme.

TLG isn't publicly traded so its success/failures won't really affect that much. I have heard one person say that they got some LEGO stock when they were younger (in the 70's or early 80's, I believe) and that you could buy it back then from the company but that is the only person I've heard say so and I can't put much faith in the statement.

Addendum: I am really starting to hate the quoting system here.

 

 

The bright vibrant colours aren't hurting bionicle, they're giving people who make mocs more options...but they do need more recolours than they've done. The creatures are the best small sets bionicle and constraction have probably ever had.

 

maybe they should axalara/thornatus sized sets because g2 and hf in general have suffered from having great/high piece count small sets and very low piece count big sets. Umarak the destroyer is a step in the right direction, but I think we need either more technic or a lot of ccbs in the future.

 

General grievous has a great build and shows what ccbs can do, but lego only uses it for small sets and it's great to have small sets and mocs with knees and elbows, it can also be used to make giant structure and figures just like how you can stack bricks on top of each other, you can also attach one bone to another and perhaps make some cool stuff like custom torsos that only use bone pieces...

 

What I'm saying is that bionicle needs to not be afraid to exceed their piece count limit of 200...they need to show what constarction can do with massive sized sets and builds.

 

Also I hope they use the axle gear piece the creatures have in future sets for some other types of functions and builds.

 

Maybe they can make 2001 rahi styled sets with high piece counts and awesome functions...but lego has to be able to escape their restrictions and fears of being too complex with their constraction sets

 

While I certainly understand your point, the problem is that as a whole the sets are too vibrant. They contribute to a collection but you need softer colours like tan and non-shiny greys to balance things out or else it's all going to be a mess.

One or two brightly coloured, ultra-vivid sets is good. Ten? Maybe a bit much. The problem is that pretty much all of them are that way.

 

I remember back when the transparent you could ever get were eye pieces. Now they've finally become mainstream(well for constraction it has).

 

What if they had more pieces blended into different colours like they did with the barraki(transparent black and keetongu yellow look so great when they're blended together)

 

When you compare the toa metru, most of the toa mahri, the toa phantoka and the bohrok kal to most ccbs sets; you'll find that g1 later on had more consistent colour schemes that didn't have random limb pieces being gray or black

 

Again, I see your point. The problem is that they don't have these things. I loved how they started introducing more transparent pieces around 2007, but nowadays the way they're used in sets is tacky/gimmicky.

The first three years of G1 sets didn't have colours all over the place -they were very organized. They'd use a slightly lighter colour for limbs to break up it and prevent it from being monotonous. It wasn't random. It's like adding stripes on a spaceship to give it more flavor.

I wouldn't say that current sets have "random" colours, merely ones that are too bright and too overdone.

This community is starting to really get on my nerves. Why even bother having an opinion?

"amirite?" Smh.

 

The whole reason there has to be these threads anyway is because you all know deep down bionicle is not doing too great.

 

The bright vibrant colours aren't hurting bionicle, they're giving people who make mocs more options...but they do need more recolours than they've done. The creatures are the best small sets bionicle and constraction have probably ever had.

 

maybe they should axalara/thornatus sized sets because g2 and hf in general have suffered from having great/high piece count small sets and very low piece count big sets. Umarak the destroyer is a step in the right direction, but I think we need either more technic or a lot of ccbs in the future.

 

General grievous has a great build and shows what ccbs can do, but lego only uses it for small sets and it's great to have small sets and mocs with knees and elbows, it can also be used to make giant structure and figures just like how you can stack bricks on top of each other, you can also attach one bone to another and perhaps make some cool stuff like custom torsos that only use bone pieces...

 

What I'm saying is that bionicle needs to not be afraid to exceed their piece count limit of 200...they need to show what constarction can do with massive sized sets and builds.

 

Also I hope they use the axle gear piece the creatures have in future sets for some other types of functions and builds.

 

Maybe they can make 2001 rahi styled sets with high piece counts and awesome functions...but lego has to be able to escape their restrictions and fears of being too complex with their constraction sets

 

While I certainly understand your point, the problem is that as a whole the sets are too vibrant. They contribute to a collection but you need softer colours like tan and non-shiny greys to balance things out or else it's all going to be a mess.

One or two brightly coloured, ultra-vivid sets is good. Ten? Maybe a bit much. The problem is that pretty much all of them are that way.

The enemies for this year seem to be nothing to write home about, though I haven't even been able to buy a bionicle set, because they refuse to shelf them any longer.

Maybe because you can tell from a couple of pictures whether or not you will like a lot of sets. These aren't uber-complex sets which need to be played with hands on. So much of the "builds" for these sets are virtually identical. One does not need to purchase Umarak to consider it tacky/ugly/etc... 

As for the story, a huge part of the story for BIONICLE has always been in the books. That's nothing new. I haven't been following any of the online story, though, so if it is truly lacking then they are forgetting one of the key parts that made early BIONICLE so great - the accessibility of much of the story.

Again, you could say that about anything. "Inika are worthless because they're Mahri now, right? Throw 'em out, amirite?"

I believe you're confusing a statement about the story (the golden masks are not worthless to the in-universe Toa) with a statement about the sets (there is new stuff so now my masks are pointless).

I'm gonna be honest if Bionicle ends again I don't want it to return why cause of all the backlash its been getting from G1 fans and let's admit even if they cater more to the G1 fans there will always be that guy that says G1 is better and it's ok cause of nostalgia that makes everything bad look good but it's gotten to the point that the Bionicle fandom splited to G2 hatters and G2 fans and it's personally sucks when a person goes out of his way to make you think that the thing you like will end ofcourse my opinion is G1 did have a good story but it did have simple sets and some complicated and cool but G2 had amazing sets but a simple story that's my opinion. 

G1 had many simple sets, sure, but the complexity of Muaka and Kane-ra, Cahdok & Gahdok, the Exo-Toa, Krekka, and the Boxor are leagues above and beyond anything from the new themes. And if you ignore the mechanical functions, the Skopio, any of the vehicles, Tuma, Maxilos, Brutaka, and Von Nebula (Hero Factory, but may as well be BIONICLE) are above and beyond anything in the new BIONICLE in terms of build experience. There is simply no comparison.

 

Mask packs aren't coming back until "collect them all" becomes a big trend in the market again.

 

And even if they did it would only magnify the problem of the previous year's masks becoming "useless".

 

You said it yourself, new masks every year is something they did originally.  So what makes it different and bad this time?  That it's not "successful"?  That it's not "creative"?  Or just the fact that you don't like it as much?

You're not wrong. The masks did change every year. I believe what they're talking about is the first two/three years, where the masks were one of the central focuses of the story and remained static (note: the Nuva masks were merely improved versions of the old masks with the same properties so they can be included as well).

Note, the section below is opinion. It is not fact, nor is it an attack on people who like G2 BIONICLE. Everyone is entitled to their tastes.

My primary qualms with Bionicle G2 are the sets. Now, I'm not going to deny that I have a ###### of a lot of nostalgia for G1 (especially 2001-2002), but I also love sets from every year, excepting 2010 (which was just disappointing, not particularly interesting). BIONICLE had a lot of flaws and there were years were its sets just felt off but it rarely felt too tacky.

G2? My god, it makes rappers look like beacons of taste. Every villain is crystally and busy and weird and it just doesn't work well. The trans colors are too vivid against the silvery[?] armor. The G2 Toa have a lot more going for them, but they too can fall into that tacky trap. Tahu and Kopaka have way more gold than they need, for example.

I'm not saying that G2 is hopeless - far from it. Hero Factory was a mess when they introduced the CCBS and it didn't get much better (especially with the horrible villain construction evidenced by sets like Witch Doctor) and BIONICLE G2 is far, far better in many respects. However, it still suffers from the same issues with tackyness (too bright/shiny, too much shiny stuff, overuse/misuse of transparent parts just because they're cool by themselves). One thing I do like about G2 is the creatures - they're really neat and I definitely want a few. I can't give any good thoughts on whether or not BIONICLE G2 will continue because I haven't payed much attention to the theme's popularity or development, only the sets themselves. I can't say I care that much, either. I don't have all that much money and BIONICLE G2 is close to the bottom of my list of things I have any interest in buying. Until we get something as awesome as the Tarakava or the Manas I'm not going to pay too much attention to the theme beyond a slightly-more-than-cursory glance at the sets.

Again, this is an opinion post.

For the individual pieces, at least, you might just want to look on Bricklink (perhaps using Peeron as a piece ID reference). You'd probably be able to find most - if not all - of them available from one seller, and get them for a decent price. I don't know that it will be that much simpler listing them out here, especially if you're going to be writing down the piece IDs anyway.

There's a LOT of pieces, and I've tried to do that in the past for more common System pieces but to no avail.

I've been building my BIONICLE (and Throwbots) sets with my brother, and we've found a lot of sets that are missing a few pieces or have a few broken pieces. I'm looking to get a bunch of different parts and I figured maybe there'd be people here who could sell more of the ones we need (because looking through Bricklink too much would be annoying). We're also trying to complete a lot of sets that we got mostly complete from various collections I purchased a few years ago.

These are some examples but far from the complete list:

* Red Mata Nui head with red crystal (Makuta)

* A number of Bohrok eyes

* Orange Metru Nui crystals

* At least one of Ehlek's spines

* A green Bohrok foot

* One of the old grey connector pieces from the Exo-Toa's leg

* A turquoise 2-pin + axle hole piece from City Throwbot

* One of Antroz's wings

* A few golden parts from Brutaka

* Extra blue/green rubber bands are always nice

* The tube from Vastus' weapons

Aside from a number of other pieces that just aren't listed, there are more sets I will be building so I will find more parts.

If you are interested in this, PM me and I'll send you a more complete list with actual part numbers (I will also eventually post said list here after I take a little time to properly compile it). Prices would be based off Bricklink.

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I'm also in the market for a White Metal/Vacuum Metal Krana-Kal, as long as it's 100-150 dollars. Beyond that I can trade some sets (mostly smaller since I don't have duplicates of most Titans) in addition to cash but I'm not exactly rich right now.

Additionally, I need Takua & Pewku and Cahdok & Gahdok to complete my collection of all large sets from Mata Nui. I also need a few McToran and two 2003 Matoran and I'm willing to buy them for a good price (maybe slightly cheaper than Bricklink) if I'm also buying a bunch of parts from you.

I would love it if there were an increase in the number of non-licensed games. While I do think that TLG took steps in the right direction with Batman 2 and Marvel Heroes (having an original storyline instead of just directly taking the storyline of the original franchise), but as a whole, I think non-licensed games (like LEGO City Undercover) tend to be more interesting.

Also, I'd like a game like LEGO City Undercover for PC, although if it could be a little more original in terms of gameplay, that would be great. Exploring the city while utilizing abilities of various professions is something I would love to see from a game.

More gameplay types/more original gameplay in general would drastically improve future TT games. Even I have to admit that they've gotten stale. LEGO Marvel was a great game, but it would have been so much better if I hadn't already played almost a dozen other games with nearly the exact same gameplay.

Dedicated racing games, as long as they utilize fun physics like those in the original Racers games, would be awesome. Just...don't make another Drome Racers type game.

Some more RTS games would be awesome - Rock Raiders is still a classic, even if it's ridiculously buggy, and CrystalAlien Conflict (a game from LEGO.com) is probably my second favorite online game.

Hey, I'm still waiting to hear about the stuff I wanted. My brother's been really anxious to get this stuff and I've been getting a bit impatient myself.

I should have a few. I'll have to check when I get back, of course.

I have another part I need - Tamaru's Lewa disk.

 

I haven't bought any collectible figs after Series 4. I do have the Artist.

Hmm...do you have any spare ball joint pieces, Bohrok arm parts, 2003 Matoran parts, or a Kopaka Mata sword?

 

Possibly. I'm on vacation right now but I'll check when I get back.

I haven't bought any collectible figs after Series 4. I do have the Artist.

I have 2 Tahu Nuva swords, a Kopaka Nuva mask, an Onua Nuva leg, and 2 Onua Nuva chainsaw parts. Would you happen to have any spare McToran parts?

I have a few, but at the moment I'd rather get the missing parts for those McToran (a Kongu and a Maku). Is there anything else you want?

I'm still waiting on the parts. I'd really like to finish this soon.

 

How about $0.25 per krana?

That would only be $6.00 plus shipping. (your picture shows your missing 24 krana) I was hoping to get about $1.25 per each krana, but how about $1.00 each, so $24 plus shipping?

 

Mc

 

@Xonar: I figured, but it was pretty insulting nonetheless.

 

Krana are worth very little - a dollar is way too much.

I might be able to do 70 for the Bo.

I haven't played Tales of the Tohunga or Matoran Adventures because I don't feel like downloading an emulator from the internet (and I've never owned a game system).

Honestly, I enjoyed BIONICLE: The Game. I liked the gameplay, and I liked how things looked. I generally enjoyed the surfing levels. That said, freeworld-type gameplay (with questing) would have made the game much better, as would advancement/training/use of masks. It would have also been better if it followed the story of Mata Nui, and if they knew that Matoran was plural in itself (instead of saying "Matorans").

I have not played BIONICLE Heroes.

I really enjoyed some of BIONICLE's web games - MNOG and MNOG II, of course, are classics, even the second one has some flaws (like the amount of training/grinding required). VNOG was a lot of fun for me as a Dofus fan (VNOG was made by Ankama, who made Dofus), even if it again had some flaws (mainly the amount of time walking required). The action games were great too - Piraka Attack was great fun, Inika Island Assault as well, and Matoran Escape...2006 was a really good year for BIONICLE web games, if not Toa. There are a few others that were also enjoyable.

I would have loved a freeworlding game on Mata Nui where you complete quests and gather masks - that is, relive the entirety of the story of Mata Nui. TLG would never have payed for such a thing as it would require more development time and work and it would be for a group of years that had already passed by the time of its release. I'm not sure if I would have enjoyed a Metru Nui video game, although maybe a Voya Nui one could have been fun.

 

It's almost as hard to follow as Star Wars, really.

There's a LOT of Star Wars media.

 

I think it's different to Star Wars, because there's basically two types of Star Wars. The first is the films which are easy to follow due to having just a few plotlines and a compact cast. They're familiar to almost everyone. The second is what is known as the 'expanded universe', a vast collection of books, games, comics, etc. which tell many separate stories and introduce huge numbers of characters that have little or nothing to do with the films. That stuff's only known by a smaller fanbase.

 

Bionicle's first few years took that first approach, but after that it started developing the complexity of the second, and it reached the point where to understand the 'basic' story you had to know a lot of the complex one as well. This wasn't something many fans took to.

 

There are four BIONICLE films which are fairly easy to follow and a wealth of other stuff.

Star Wars started with just few films but began to include various other media over time.

It's almost as hard to follow as Star Wars, really.

There's a LOT of Star Wars media.

2.5/5 - it's pretty but fairly boring