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So when do you think we will get to see the other alternate builds?

congrats

But a reboot wouldn't make any sense from the story point-of-view unless it was a hard reboot - otherwise, we already know that the Great Spirit is a giant robot everyone is inside of/on the surface of. I can only see it as a reboot if it's a hard reboot.And it's most likely to be a hard reboot, since every attempt at a soft reboot during Bionicle's lifespan failed to address the issue of the story being inaccessible to the majority of new fans. I don't see a contradiction here.True this. i thought we agreed it could be a continuation if it was a time skip But a reboot wouldn't make any sense from the story point-of-view unless it was a hard reboot - otherwise, we already know that the Great Spirit is a giant robot everyone is inside of/on the surface of. I can only see it as a reboot if it's a hard reboot.And it's most likely to be a hard reboot, since every attempt at a soft reboot during Bionicle's lifespan failed to address the issue of the story being inaccessible to the majority of new fans. I don't see a contradiction here.True this. i thought we agreed it could be a continuation if it was a time skip, a time skip big enough, so none of the old story is neccary for the new story

i see the resemblence!!!!

A straight retelling would be perhaps the worst kind of reboot for the BIONICLE franchise. The answers to all the major mysteries could be spoiled with a simple Google search. The new fans who might have been most likely to enjoy the complexity of the BIONICLE storyline — the sort who love to engage with the storyline online with other fans, and who love following along with all the plot twists and unfolding mysteries, and who are always on the lookout for new story details and developments — would be the LEAST likely to enjoy a straight retelling, because anything surprising about the original story would be sucked out of the new one as soon as they started to connect with older fans. Since Greg Farshtey himself seems to think a reboot is the best way to bring BIONICLE back, I'm surprised so many fans of the original storyline are skeptical of the idea. A reboot would be incredibly liberating for both the writers and fans of the new BIONICLE. I completely 100% doubt it is a straight reboot. After all, Lord of not-to-be-named never appeared in the first run of BIONICLE, unless it was and I just wasn't told about it... lord of ***** ******* could be the things from bionicle web of shadow, i am having a brain block and cannot remeber their names.

I'm sure that every idea that's been suggested here has been brought up at one point or another when planning BIONICLE's return. It's a little bit foolish to say the best ideas are here. The LEGO Group knows better than any of us what works and what doesn't, because they have access to lots of information we don't (including specific sales data for BIONICLE sets and media, the number of viewers for specific BIONICLE web content, and of course everything the theme's creators have learned about creating a successful toyline since the theme ended).I'm not saying a continuation could never be successful (in fact, I was very open to the possibility for a long time), but if the new BIONICLE is not a continuation, I hope I don't see anyone saying that the LEGO Group didn't try hard enough or didn't think as hard about their options as we did here. There are a lot of risks and challenges with a continuation. And even if you come up with a foolproof plan to compensate for those risks and challenges... it still might not be as efficient as giving EVERYONE (new and old fans alike) a fresh start with a reboot, thereby bypassing all the complicated backstory entirely. A reboot gives the LEGO Group complete control over the story and how the fans experience it, and that control is invariably reduced by tying it to a story that was written with an entirely different generation of kids in mind and was far from perfect anyway.I doubt it is a reboot, unless it is a retelling.

We should do that ^ instead, i hope lego had this exact conversation when they were talking about bionicle's return, because the best ideas are here, unless lego has a even better one?!?!

I did say that you don't need to recap it all. There's plenty that you wouldn't need to recap.And, as far as I know, the only things you can't legally get/view for free are the movies (easy enough) and books (less so, but arguably less necessary). For a large part, the books just go into more detail on the backbone story. What I'm considering the really "extra" stuff is covered in the serials and such, which are available legally. But Bionicle has never been something that LEGO has spoonfed to kids. LEGO doesn't have to worry about "putting the burden" on them, any more than they've ever had to (I mean, the same things that are illegal/legal now were illegal/legal then). If the kids want to figure something out about it, they can just do it. They don't need to depend upon LEGO to cater to their every wish. I guess I'm a bit of a let-them-work for it kind of guy, but that's how Bionicle (to me, anyway) was. If I wanted to learn more about an event or character, I had to look up the serial or whatever it was in, read it, or look it up on BS01 or something (as others have said). Anyway, for a chronological list of media, I think that would be great for LEGO to do. It provides a map, of sorts, for the kids to follow, but they are the ones who have to actually look for the stuff. (There's actually already a pretty good one here on BZP: http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/4238-bionicle-chronology-topic/) It's sort of like the saying, "You get what you pay for", but more like "You get what you work for". Satisfaction for work well done is much superior to satisfaction from someone handing you the byproduct of that work, without you having lifted a finger. There's a certain... joy that comes from researching something, then finally coming upon it. But why should anyone have to work to understand a toy line's story? Would you really want to have to do research to like something? Bionicle has to be interesting, refreshing, and open to fans. If new consumers/kids see that in order to like Bionicle 2015 they have to do work and research 10 years of canon just to understand the current story, don't you think they would say no? Why should they have to devote their own free time to force themselves to study canon. And what if they find that they don't like it? It would've been a total waste of time for them. If you are presenting a product it is your responsibility to present it in such a way that it is free and open to get into. Why don't we do the research for them?

Lego probaly said all of these things, and either found a way to make it a contiuation, or gave up, and made it a reboot

And on top of that, where would a new fan even start when trying to learn the story? Learning a story through the official material begins with the first released piece of media and each one following on from that. But a wiki has no beginning piece or ending piece, it's just a vast collection of standalone pages that happen to contain links to each other. Which page should be read first, and which page after that one, and so on? A newcomer would have no idea, and would probably find it all too intimidating to bother with.I think you just hit the nail on the head. If a continuation was done and fans needed access to the old story, a collection of the stories in order of occurrence is whats needed the most. A wiki, while a useful resource, is neither easy nor necessarily entertaining to get an entire storyline from. Here is a playlist of summery videos for gen 2 fans Go to 1:48:30 into this video after watching this And that should catch them up with every single official lego set, as for the parts of the story that did not get sets, they will have to find that out for theirselfs, by then they could probaly go to bio sector 01 to get the missing parts.

That last statement is arguable. Yes, people CAN learn the details of the previous BIONICLE storyline, in theory. It is expensive — most of the story details are contained in things like the books, comics, and movies, most of which cannot legally obtained for free online. It is impractical — the storyline is spread across a wide range of media, so there's no legal way to enjoy it all in one place. It is time-consuming — the movies alone contain five hours of footage, and there are about 29 chapter books with about 20,000 words each (don't forget that the series is aimed at kids, who might not have the most proficiency as readers). And to a certain extent, it is fruitless — binging on huge amounts of disparate information that barely even pertains to the current sets and storyline will never be as rewarding for kids as experiencing it slowly, methodically, and as it happened.If you post a short recap of ten years of "backbone storyline", you're not only providing the storyline in an flimsy, inferior form to experiencing it as it happened, you're also teasing people with snippets of a story that it would take a downright unreasonable amount of effort for them to experience for themselves. You're effectively giving kids a curriculum for a colorful building toyThere are definitely merits to providing a short recap of a previous storyline before you hand it to kids. The Legend of Korra started out with a brief recap of the storyline from Avatar: The Last Airbender, for instance, and The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds gave you a recap of the events of A Link to the Past as it began. But if you're having to recap ten years of a notoriously convoluted storyline for a bunch of kids who have no reasonable way of experiencing it in the same way that older fans did, chances are you're well past the point where inviting them to do so makes any logical sense.Frankly, as far as toy sales are concerned, the new fans matter more than the older ones anyway.Or we can have the kids watch this And explain the rest, ( by rest i mean the rest that had sets only)

This video

A mini episode like this(but with the 2009& 2010 storylines too, the ones that had sets)?

Well, besides stuff that's leaked that we can't talk about, Greg Farshtey has said that he doesn't think a continuation would be effective because it would immediately put new fans at a disadvantage, and it would be immensely difficult for them to catch up with older story. Although I don't really care if it's a reboot ( as in a restart of the story ) or a continuation, I honestly disagree with this. It all depends on how you do it. Sure "start where we left of" continuation won't work, but there surely are examples of "continuations" that were effective. People who never read The Hobbit could still enjoy LOTR, you don't need to watch all the Doctor Who series in order to jump in a new series (aka the current success of the Doctor ), etc. You'll always have to deal with some ground rules surely, but you don't need to know more if you don't want to, and if you do, then there's another great world to discover. I believe the "continuation = difficult for new fans and reboot = only solution"-view is just a bit too black and white. First off this is a great summery, there is a mistake, but it will catch the new fans up quickly, all lego would have to explain the glatorians, agori, stars, ect.(basicly 2009&2010)