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The Real Reason Heath Died


Riisiing Moon

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So I just saw Dark Knight Rises, and my expectations were pretty much confirmed. Not those for the quality of the movie, those were pretty much blown to smithereens and scattered to the winds of cinema. I expected that Christopher Nolan, the brilliantly shrewd director he is, would be fully aware that you just can't top the sheer horror and humanity of the Joker, so he'd instead focus more on plot than on the terrifying genuineness of any one character.

 

Which is totally what happened, and it's why despite the freakin' awesomeness of DSR, it just can't beat Dark Knight. DSR is intellectually fascinating--the intricate plot, the depth of character, the acting. Throughout the movie, I kept thinking, 'God, Bane is an amazing actor--the way he says stuff just isn't the way any other actor ever would approach saying that stuff, and he knows how to use the shortest words to make himself totally real and beyond real at the same time. Blind=mown.'

 

This is a totally different experience than watching Dark Knight, during which I forgot altogether that Heath Ledger was acting. Dark Knight isn't just fascinating to the brain, it's emotionally a terrifying experience. Because Heath is the Joker. I have an appreciation for Bane's acting skills, but I don't have an appreciation for Heath's because they're not acting. And that's what's so scary, is that the Joker is real.

 

After Heath put up such an indescribable performance (because that's really what it is, you can't restrict it to a few paragraphs), he realized he'd done the best thing any person has ever done and will ever do and died because his life couldn't get any better. Don't be sad, Heath fulfilled the destiny of the universe. :sigh:

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I mean, I'm not exactly teasing him--I guess that came off as that, sorry about that. My point, cut the humor, is that he was an exceptionally talented professional whose knowledge of the humane and emotional is far beyond a point I can even understand. I'm trying to praise him, not belittle his death.

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:kaukau: I rewatched Dark Knight this morning, and I have to admit that it's not doing for me what it did when it first came out. To me it was just the Joker coming out and making a dramatic appearance, but the story itself didn't necessarily play out and my willing suspension of disbelief was always being broken when the mob kept on falling for that guy. I think the main reason why it's treated like it's incomparable is because of sentimental reasons, namely the tragic death of Heath Ledger. For me, though, it's my least favorite of the trilogy, because the Joker was the only character that stood out and Bruce Wayne underwent no character development, unlike the first and third installments.

 

And my favorite villain is still Razzy.

 

Meanwhile, I hope that your logic doesn't mean that Michael Phelps will die soon.

 

Merida

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I dunno, I think the sheer terror Joker assumes kind of makes up for it. Obviously he makes that movie, that's a given.

 

Eh, I like the idea of Ra's but he's too cheesy and in my opinion actually seems sorta arbitrary--they could've developed him so much more, I always looked at him as a plot device.

 

On the reverse, maybe the reason Morgan Freeman's so old but still acting is because he's still got something more amazing than everything else to put out.

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The thing about The Dark Knight is that it's so incredibly intricate and meticulously crafted down to the last detail. I noticed after watch Inception that every bit of dialogue is deliberate and intentional; there is no improvising, or even room for error. Nolan's style is horrendously finite, with absolutely nothing out of place. That's not to say it isn't bad, but it might be why I enjoyed Inception a lot less; despite a wealth of talented actors, they lines they have are quite obviously off a script from someone who thinks on a higher plane than they do. The wonderful thing about TDK was, in fact, Heath Ledger (and the rest of the cast), and the ability to accept everything as real despite having already suspended belief. Everyone had a place in the universe and they grew from it, as opposed to just delivering a performance.

 

That was the magic of TDK, and though I haven't seen TDKR yet (why yes, I have been living under a rock, thank you for asking) I'm still holding out hope that the acting grows as much from TDK as the second one did from the first.

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Props to Ledger, but after playing Arkham Asylum and Arkham City, I have to say his Joker is really a weak character.

 

And I sort of felt the same way when I saw TDK. The Joker's white face and green hair was supposed to be a result of toxic poisoning, not makeup and dye...it sort of kills the character and his backstory (which was never really explained in that movie anyways).

 

-SK

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I mean, part of his magic was that he had no character, and I feel like Nolan consciously made that decision--he's a symbol, like Batman talks about all the time. He's not meant to have an alias or backstory, and the toxins tie him to a physical body, which I think is sort of contradictory to the point. He's supposed to be beyond human limitations, including biography, and be more of a manifestation of terror and anarchy.

 

Thought it was interesting, by the way, that the anarchist plot Joker rants about all throughout TDK actually happens through Bane in the next movie. Make of that what you will.

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