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Character Death; New Policy, And My Analysis


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Today I had planned to post about the Matoro death flame war that seems to be getting worse rather than dying down. With the death of another character in the latest serial chapter, the issue spreading to this, and the new Character Death Policy, this will be a little more general, starting with the reasons the policy was made. Bold is for important points, not emotionalism.


Why

I'll ask that we don't discuss the details of what happened -- that is just going to make things worse. But suffice it to say, many people on both "sides" would do well to read my "Friends Can Disagree" entry below.

It used to be that we took character deaths in perspective -- as an element of fiction. When Lhikan died, I don't recall there being anything remotely like a flame war. Occasionally there would be a question topic or even a complaint, which we would answer with the obvious -- to keep up suspense in fiction, you do need to actually have bad things happen sometimes.

Besides, Lhikan has gotten more story time since his death than the vast majority of characters that lived. :P

But those complaints were usually reasonable, and even if someone did go overboard, they didn't form "sides" and start fighting.

It seems that a lot of us have lost the ability now.

Now, I understand why this happened -- Matoro was a popular character, and also one of the originals, so I've seen emotions on both sides turn this into a flaming trigger, and death is a difficult thing for us to come to terms with, sometimes even in fiction. Someone I know has come to tears before from a character death, and I can understand it. I can understand being disturbed at this, and I can even understand it when people go overboard. Plus this seems to have been mixed with our love of inventing fads.

But what we don't need is people forming sides that attack each other or post "isn't that side nuts?" topics, making fun of people, etc. These have continued, and I have seen trolling and even direct insults posted by people who've been here long enough to know better. (Again, please do not discuss who or where; that is between them and staff.)

It's for this reason that the policy was made.

Now, I don't want anyone to misunderstand -- topics discussing character deaths reasonably are still allowed, in S&T where they belong. The policy is purposefully not super-strict, so I don't want anyone thinking this discussion is banned. Nor are memorial banners banned, etc. as long as they don't go to extremes.

Perspective Clash

I think this happened because there are basically three different philosophies out there about fictional death.

1) That it's an element of fiction like any other, intended to be taken seriously within the fictional context.

IMO this is the only reasonable perspective. Character death can be serious -- as an author myself, I always write with a serious point behind my works, even my comedies, and I hope that in addition to being entertained, the audience will grasp the serious theme, and hopefully I'll even be able to help them cope with serious issues in real life through this. To do that you do have to allow yourself the chance to feel the emotions of the event as much as you do the thrill of action, but keep it in perspective.

For example, the point of Matoro's death was that sometimes heroes willingly sacrifice their own lives so that others' lives will be safe, and that though this is very hard to come to terms with, such sacrifice deserves our utmost respect in real life. It's the ultimate form of honor.

However, Matoro was still just a fictional character, so we should keep that in perspective. In fact, keeping it in perspective is very helpful for understanding the point the author is making.

2) That it's just the author trying to get rid of a character -- the "killed off" psychological shield I talked about in this past blog entry.

This has been taken waaaaay overboard in 'net culture. I can understand it to a small degree in a TV show with actors who want out -- but Matoro, Lhikan, etc. aren't that. There's no excuse to pretend this was why Matoro died, IMO. (And like I said, some dead characters get more focus afterward than living characters, like Lhikan compared to, say, Nuhrii.)

Not to say that this shield isn't understandable -- people don't like to face death emotionally, in fiction or real life. But this perspective, sadly, blocks out any hope of the author helping readers cope, through the device of fiction, with real death.

Especially when people instantly shout to everybody who hasn't read the book yet "Oh My Gadunka, Dumbledore Dyes!11!1!" Spoiling the event ruins it for others, so you inflict your own inability to cope on others. That can get serious fast.

(Or make "RIP Matoro banners five seconds after they get the comic, a point that I forgot for the policy and am working on now. :P)

3) That the character is as real as real people emotionally but inside a "safe" world of fiction, thus killing them is almost like murder.

I don't think people in this category consciously think the author is a murderer, don't get me wrong. But this is behind a lot of the sigs and posts that got out of hand, and especially behind some "protest" petitions. The idea is that people who hold to this perspective actually think the author did something wrong by writing the character's death into the story.

I will admit that if anyone did this when a character died in the Bionicle Paracosmos (as some will), part of me would be a little pleased, selfishly, because it shows I got through to them enough that they don't brush aside my underlying theme with "killed off ell oh ellz!!1!1." :P However, it would also be disappointing because they're coming at me and telling me I did something wrong, instead of seeing the point I was making. They probably wouldn't even realize my reaction is to barely even register their anger but to instead measure them.

There is one valid point these members have -- this isn't real life and so yes, it's possible, on paper at least if you'll pardon the awkward cliche-usage, to write a fictional world where good guys cannot die. But in reality, this just ruins suspense, taking away the thrill of the adventure/action scenes because you know they won't die -- and that thrill is a huge part of the whole point of adventure mystery.

So sometimes, you do need to have characters die. But, obviously it has to be realistic if you want to create the right impact of it, otherwise it would just feel like shock tactics. (That might be done a lot in other fiction, especially TV, but IMO it has never been done in Bionicle; it's been to keep up suspense.)

And what readers who have never written serious fiction (even for entertainment) often don't understand is this -- stories often write themselves. For example, in at least one story I have written in the Paracosmos, I hadn't planned for a character to die, but as events unfolded, the characters and events forced me into a situation where I realized a death was unavoidable.

And so it happened.

This is true of almost all of a storyline, not just death -- for another example, I also had a situation where according to my outline, the good guys would fail (but not fatally) in a conflict, but as I wrote it, the characters outwitted me (outwitted the bad guys, that is :P), and they actually won. It threw my planning for the next few chapters into chaos and I had to spend another day re-working the outline.

(And I could list a plethora of examples, including one that messed up some of my future plans for other epics -- although the end result of those plans is cooler.)

Chances are slim that anyone would object to this happening -- yet the same machine is driving it. To be consistent, readers should apply this fact to death as well.

When you have characters defined well, and you have used your imagination to come up with the starting scenario and background substance enough, all an author really needs to do is spend time writing and thinking logically about what would happen. The rest falls into place, sometimes so unexpectedly that the author can be as ignorant of where it's going as the readers.

When it comes to death, you have to understand that to authors like me at least, when you come to a situation that demands a death, putting in a copout survival mechanism out of the blue feels like a profound slap in the face, even a betrayal of a code of honor. Sometimes, death writes itself.

Besides, the fact that it's fiction argues against the idea of getting too emotionally invested it in.

So.

Most of the time, when a character dies, people don't talk calmly and intelligently about their different perspectives, as they might with other issues. I think it's just the deep seriousness of the theme that causes this. People get touchy about it, and tempers flare more easily -- so that anyone who has a different perspective must be stupid and whatever your perspective is must be obviously right, so you aren't willing to discuss it.

Add a little jalapeno, and voila, your flame war is ready to broil.

What's shameful about this, especially when one side starts making fun of the other, is that it actually accomplishes the opposite of what both sides usually intend -- trying to treat death seriously in real life. The attacks become more important, and personally I get an almost ghoulish vibe from the way it seems to get turned into a game sometimes. That is disturbingly similar to a lot of the "Forums Gone Bad" situtations I described here, and it happened in a matter of months.

Both of the perspectives I described as unreasonable are, nevertheless, understandable. I can understand seeing them as forms of immaturity -- but when you act as mature as a two-month old in response you just shoot yourself in the foot.

When you see someone putting up some kind of a psychological shield like that, don't insult them. That just makes them hold the shield up higher and harms BZPower as a community. Even though it's fiction, when you mistreat the event on a forum, you are making it serious, no matter which "side" you're on. Try to be understanding instead.

Discuss Intelligently

So basically there it is. Discuss intelligently, instead of "clashing" as described above. :)

Yes, you might be profoundly disturbed by something someone did, and yes, maybe they went overboard. But privately discuss reactions you object to with staff members, and otherwise, you can intelligently talk about different perspectives, in topics in S&T, in this blog entry's comments, perhaps via PM as long as you are polite. Even with the subject of death, it's not worth fighting over.

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I dunno... it seems to me like [the latest character]'s death was just thrown in there for shockers sake.
I hope they have more on it in the future.

BtB
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[the latest character]'s death seemed more to me like a lot of the deaths in the seventh Harry Potter book--- I think Greg's trying to prepare us for the upcoming "Final Battle", which could involve more like this. Greg could've paused to lament [the latest character]'s death the way he did for Matoro, but that woul 1) lessen the significance of Matoro's death, and 2) force him to pause that way for every death that may occur in this "final battle", which would slow down the action immensely.

 

Anywho, I was sort of okay with the reaction to Matoro's death. Mind you, it was too much when [bones: like I said, let's not mention what happened, okay? I agree that what you mentioned was too much -- and the best way to deal with that IMO is not to keep talking about it], but I think the sigs and stuff were appropriate for Bionicle fans who had just read about the death of one of the noblest characters in the story. That whole year had gotten us all to identify with Matoro, whose character hadn't been developed much prior to that, so when he died it was certainly meant to hit us readers hard.

 

I'd also like to take a moment now to once more praise how Matoro's death was portrayed, both in the comics and the books. GregF really outdid himself on Bionicle Legends#8, and both GregF and Stuart Sayger did great on Ignition 11.

 

With all due respect,

Lyichir: Rachira of Influence

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No, there was an entry like that before...

 

 

Honestly, all I did for Matoro was discuss it with my friend on the bus a bit. :P

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you know bones, why not go write a book on all of this stuff aready?

how do you get these ideas?

i agree with you on every thing.

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...Some people are prone to make banners with "R.I.P [the latest character]! We'll *fill in blank if this was even blank*" and some will see that as comparing [[the latest character]... *sniff*] so a Reformation-period martyr while the maker really only was comparing [the latest character] to a favourite toy, perhaps because he/she was a [the latest character] fangirl/boy. *shrugs*

 

Just sayin' that people are prone to over do their judgementality on he issue, especialy if they have seen alot of those banners.

 

Of course, I take it with a grain of salt, because I'm just not a fan of either characters (but if Hahli were to die... uh, well... :# ) and because they were just characters in a story. My reaction is basicaly "He's dead, Jim." :P

 

~EW~

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I've edited out all references to which character just died -- we might be establishing a specific spoiler policy about this and it's probably too soon. Also, again, let's not discuss the worst details of what happened -- that's been edited out too.

 

I dunno... it seems to me like [the latest character]'s death was just thrown in there for shockers sake.

I hope they have more on it in the future.

 

BtB

Well, it's a war -- in wars, people die sometimes. I don't see that as shock tactics -- I see that as being realistic. There's a key difference there.

 

[the latest character]'s death seemed more to me like a lot of the deaths in the seventh Harry Potter book--- I think Greg's trying to prepare us for the upcoming "Final Battle", which could involve more like this. Greg could've paused to lament [the latest character]'s death the way he did for Matoro, but that woul 1) lessen the significance of Matoro's death, and 2) force him to pause that way for every death that may occur in this "final battle", which would slow down the action immensely.

I agree -- and the story serials are usually a lot more fast-paced than books; they're more like comics without graphics. So there really isn't time to do that in the serials, especially not for a side character as opposed to one of the main canister sets of the year, which is what Matoro was.

 

This is the first entry to have a header without the "Bones Blog" mark!

~SGT~

It's there. :P You might need a brighter screen to see it, lol. Think "LOST". :P

 

...Some people are prone to make banners with "R.I.P [the latest character]! We'll *fill in blank if this was even blank*" and some will see that as comparing [[the latest character]... *sniff*] so a Reformation-period martyr while the maker really only was comparing [the latest character] to a favourite toy, perhaps because he/she was a [the latest character] fangirl/boy. *shrugs*

 

Just sayin' that people are prone to over do their judgementality on he issue, especialy if they have seen alot of those banners.

Yes, I agree with that too. But I'm saying, this is why. :P In case it wasn't clear -- people with the first perspective can, of course, make that mistake too (of overdoing their judgement as you put it).

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I dunno... it seems to me like [the latest character]'s death was just thrown in there for shockers sake.

I hope they have more on it in the future.

 

BtB

Well, it's a war -- in wars, people die sometimes. I don't see that as shock tactics -- I see that as being realistic. There's a key difference there.

Sure but how does Icarax know about the OoMN? They're not in a war because the BoM has no clue about them. I agree that this death seemed forced and without real reason. And bones this makes your argument about a war moot ;)

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Not sure I see your point though -- this year is called "Final Battle," also Icarax seems to beat up anybody his eyes register, so I don't see why it would matter whether he knew who you-know-who was affiliated with. :P

 

The BoM is launching an attack on Karda Nui, and big plans seem to be coming to fruition, not to mention the whole incident with Mata Nui's life -- whether you want to call it a "war" at this stage or not, the BoM knows full well about what they're doing. They're the agressors here, not the OoMN or Toa or whonot. I don't see how my point is moot. :P

 

And even if it was, who says war is the only realistic cause of death? We have senseless violence everyday in our cities all over the globe, war or not. It would make sense even for this to happen in Bionicle, at least when you have villains like Icarax (or the Piraka, etc.).

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Still, one must admit it was a bit abrupt and un-detailed, not at all fitting for a character that was that well established, IMO.

BtB


I see the Bones Blog...
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I don't really mind an occasional "R.I.P." Matoro or something, but when people start putting "MATORO DIED TO SAVE YOU!" in their sigs (as some people have), it crosses the line of taking things to seriously (i.e.: comparing Matoro to Jesus >.>).
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yeah dokuma's right. Some people take this waaay out of hand. But I guess its understandable, seeing as these kids are probably young. You know, like its understandable for a ten year old or something to mourn matoro, but if you saw a 17 in a shop reading the comic, then you see him in tears, that might be a little wierd. And did I put too many apostrophes in there?

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