First off, I’d like to thank Jedi Gali for letting me on the debate. It’s nice I get to do this.

Now, to the chase. We’re going be debating over if fire or water is better(Or as JG said, which is a better natural weapon.) This’ll be hard, but I’ll try to do my best. But, first we must ask: What is fire?

Fire is heat and light. How it is caused is reactions in the air. Heating of the air and other elements put off light and more heat. Allow me to rephrase that. There are three things needed for fire: Fuel, oxygen, and heat. When these three mix, fire breaks out. The reaction caused puts out light, and glows differently when different fuels are added or/and mixed.

With that out of the way, we can see how this works in battle. Fire, if hot enough, will burn about anything. It has been proven, if you raise the heat of something enough, it will one; explode, or two; burn. This makes fire a very effective weapon, should you be able to get it hot enough.

Now, what about fire’s glaring weakness, water? Well, water is not very effect as it may seem. It takes a lot of water to put out a fire. I once had a campfire, and it took two gallons of water to put that little thing out. Fire turns water into steam. When you begin to think of it, fire can exist on water, even. If oil is spilled into a river way, fire will burn the oil, and not get put out by the water.

Well, that is all I have to say right now. I’ll stop, and see what Metru Ninju has to say.

Hello everyone. Thanks to everyone for watching, and thank you to Jedi Gali for hosting these superb debates, and thank you to Toa Humva of Alex for participating with me in this online argument. It is my hope that you shall be a worthy opponent.

The topic of this debate is simple; which is a more powerful natural weapon: Fire or Water? I will be debating on the side of Water.

Not only is our planet 75% water, but this simple liquid is also the most formidable force on Earth. The oceans and seas, vast and ceaseless, are constantly in a waving dance, which no force can stop. Water is an enemy of stone which will never surrender: it shall drive and drive for eternity until there is an eroded passage in the stone through which it can pass. Waves of immense and horrible power use water as a deadly, crushing wall, that will spare nothing in its path of desolation.

As every living thing requires water to stay alive, the power that is water has a tight monopoly on all life. With an abundance of this liquid, there is flood, where beings shall be drowned in a choking mass of water. With a lack of water, the land is thrust into terrible, dry drought, in which nothing can survive.

Water is invincible. No matter how much you evaporate or freeze it, there shall always be more, due to the water cycle, endlessly dropping more of it from the sky. Fire, however, can be put out and stopped, even if there is a mile-wide flame, it can still die for lack of oxygen.

Also, very importantly, water can put out fire, wile fire cannot do the same.

-Nuju Metru

For my first challenge, I would like each of you to explain which has the bigger impact on human life.

Nuju Metru, you first. (two to three minutes, please)

-JG

For my first challenge, I would like each of you to explain which has the bigger impact on human life.

 

Nuju Metru, you first. (two to three minutes, please)

 

-JG

Thank you. Well, as I said before, water has an unbreakable hold on our, and every other living things', lives. The only reason earth is habitable is because of its water. Without water, we would die of dehydration. Now to cultural influence.

First, think of Poseidon, the Greek god of Water and sea. He was considered to be a very powerful deity, second only to Zeus. Or, remember the many rain gods worldwide. Ancient peoples would pray and sacrifice to these spirits to bring them life-giving, crop-growing rain. Without this, they would die, inevitably.

-Nuju Metru

Thanks. Alex?

And you may combat your opponent's response in your own to the prompt.

-JG

Sorry for the wait. I was talking with some one.

The impact on human life with fire. A good question. For years, humans have worshiped fire. Why is this? Because fire is used in some many ways. It heats your food. It kills the nasty bugs in your food. If there was no fire, human life would be set back HUGELY. Cars run on fire. Most things need fire to get along. Ra, the god of the sun, was said to be fire. Fire has impacted human life since the first human came about.

To combat Ninju;

This is true, water is needed for life. But so is fire. No fire, not much life. Fire is needed. No matter what, we must cook our bloody steaks, whether we like it or not.

True, true. But the sun Gods, the fire Gods. People would pray to them so that the sun would beat down, and make those crops grow. No fire, no sun, no heat. Life giving crops were at the sake of fire.

Please feel free to debate points in your arguments, if you wish.

But moving on. You both have mentioned how it helps, let's talk about negative aspects. Which kills more?

Alex? (Is is okay if I call you that? It's quicker.)

-JG

Sorry for the wait. I was talking with some one.

 

The impact on human life with fire. A good question. For years, humans have worshiped fire. Why is this? Because fire is used in some many ways. It heats your food. It kills the nasty bugs in your food. If there was no fire, human life would be set back HUGELY. Cars run on fire. Most things need fire to get along. Ra, the god of the sun, was said to be fire. Fire has impacted human life since the first human came about.

EDIT: Sorry, I posted a reply to Alex's answer.

Very true, Alex. Human life would be very different without fire. But consider this: without water there would be no life, at all. Fire may influence Human life heavily, but water is what gives us a life to influence.

-Nuju Metru

Which kills more? Water does. Water may be life giving, but you can drown in it. Also, if you go deep enough, you will find yourself being pressed down by the water’s weight, and die.

Floods are devastating. They can destroy anything. Fire, not so much. Fire leaves something, but water leaves nothing.

So, water kills and destroys the most.

To Ninju:

The sun, Ninju. The sun is a big fireball. No fire, no heat. No heat, no human life.

Which kills more? Water does. Water may be life giving, but you can drown in it. Also, if you go deep enough, you will find yourself being pressed down by the water’s weight, and die.

 

Floods are devastating. They can destroy anything. Fire, not so much. Fire leaves something, but water leaves nothing.

 

So, water kills and destroys the most.

Thank you, Alex. You just made my argument for me. After all, we are trying to prove our side to be more deadly than the other. Yes, Water is a far more dangerous natural weapon, as seen in Hurricanes, Tsunamis, and floods.

-Nuju Metru

To Ninju:

 

The sun, Ninju. The sun is a big fireball. No fire, no heat. No heat, no human life.[/color]

It's Nuju.

Yes, yes, thats true. However, the sun isn't scheduled to die for another couple billion years, unlike water, which is constantly doing its destructive work here on earth.

But what gives rise to those huricans? Hm? Heat is needed for those monster storms. Even the worst of storms need heat, which comes from fire. Floods, maybe. But fire is needed for almost all your water storms.

True also. But fire does not do the damage, it merely initiates it.

-Nuju Metru

Okay.

Please defend your element in response to this prompt. Explain how the opposite is weaker and more easily combated.

Nuju Metru?

-JG

If you could, please respond to my other statement.

But when the Sun dies, it's going take everything with it. It will swell up to a red gaint, and envelope Earth. Water will die when fire dies.

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Nuju, fire is still needed. It's a glaring weakness.

But, fire is by far the best weapon. It can burn, it can explode. Anything and everything will fall beneath it, granted it's hot enough. NORAD can survive a major flood, but it can't survive a big enough fire.

Okay.

 

Please defend your element in response to this prompt. Explain how the opposite is weaker and more easily combated.

 

Nuju Metru?

 

-JG

Fire. A beacon of light that ignited our humanity. This much can be said about that source of energy. But it is so fragile! Starved of oxygen, smote with water, stomped out, all ways of ending a blaze of any size. Water, on the other hand, is indestructible. Evaporate it, freeze and smash it, Water won't go away.

If you could, please respond to my other statement.

 

But when the Sun dies, it's going take everything with it. It will swell up to a red gaint, and envelope Earth. Water will die when fire dies.

 

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Nuju, fire is still needed. It's a glaring weakness.

 

But, fire is by far the best weapon. It can burn, it can explode. Anything and everything will fall beneath it, granted it's hot enough. NORAD can survive a major flood, but it can't survive a big enough fire.

And when the sun dies, Human life can't exist. My element can influence humanity as long as it is around, while the sun won't intervene until its collapse.

Everything will fall granted it's hot enough. And if it isn't? Water will destroy no matter its temperature.

-Nuju Metru

Okay.

 

Please defend your element in response to this prompt. Explain how the opposite is weaker and more easily combated.

 

Nuju Metru?

 

-JG

 

Fire. A beacon of light that ignited our humanity. This much can be said about that source of energy. But it is so fragile! Starved of oxygen, smote with water, stomped out, all ways of ending a blaze of any size. Water, on the other hand, is indestructible. Evaporate it, freeze and smash it, Water won't go away.

 

-Nuju Metru

Fire is always there. No matter how hard you try, there will always be heat. And where there is heat, there is fire. Starved of oxygen, yes. But Oxygen is always there, even in the voids of space. Smote with water, maybe. Fire will turn water to steam. Stomp it, perhaps. A big enough fire will always prevail. No matter what, there is always fire. Even if it's just a spark, fire is always out there. Both fire and water are always there.

And when the sun dies, Human life can't exist. My element can influence humanity as long as it is around, while the sun won't intervene until its collapse.

 

Everything will fall granted it's hot enough. And if it isn't? Water will destroy no matter its temperature.

That's a good point. I can't argue.

Another good point. But I'm outwieghting the fact that you have to get so much water to destroying something with the fact that fire needs to be hot enough.

Okay.

 

Please defend your element in response to this prompt. Explain how the opposite is weaker and more easily combated.

 

Nuju Metru?

 

-JG

 

Fire. A beacon of light that ignited our humanity. This much can be said about that source of energy. But it is so fragile! Starved of oxygen, smote with water, stomped out, all ways of ending a blaze of any size. Water, on the other hand, is indestructible. Evaporate it, freeze and smash it, Water won't go away.

 

-Nuju Metru

Fire is always there. No matter how hard you try, there will always be heat. And where there is heat, there is fire. Starved of oxygen, yes. But Oxygen is always there, even in the voids of space. Smote with water, maybe. Fire will turn water to steam. Stomp it, perhaps. A big enough fire will always prevail. No matter what, there is always fire. Even if it's just a spark, fire is always out there. Both fire and water are always there.

There will always be heat, not necessarily fire. Fire is not the only source of heat there is. Friction, for example, can create heat. As for the oxygen, that isn't true. Fire will greedily suck up oxygen, but if the space it is in has a limited amount of the gas, eventually, that flame will be put out.

-Nuju Metru

There will always be heat, not necessarily fire. Fire is not the only source of heat there is. Friction, for example, can create heat. As for the oxygen, that isn't true. Fire will greedily suck up oxygen, but if the space it is in has a limited amount of the gas, eventually, that flame will be put out.

Friction, in fact, is one of the main causes of fire. Sparks are fire. I'm not talking about the volt kind, I'm talking about the other kind. Make a little friction, you get a spark. Sparks do not eat away oxygen. Yet, they will catch something on fire, and start a raging fire.

In the end, you'll get stuck with sparks. But sparks can kill.

True, true. But does the sun have oxygen on it? No. It is caused by something else. Nuclear reactions, if I'm correct.

Now for something different.

I would like each of you to ask a question of your opponent concerning a weakness you may see in his argument. (Just ask a challenging question that may back him in a corner.)

Alex, you can challenge your opponent first.

-JG

There will always be heat, not necessarily fire. Fire is not the only source of heat there is. Friction, for example, can create heat. As for the oxygen, that isn't true. Fire will greedily suck up oxygen, but if the space it is in has a limited amount of the gas, eventually, that flame will be put out.

Friction, in fact, is one of the main causes of fire. Sparks are fire. I'm not talking about the volt kind, I'm talking about the other kind. Make a little friction, you get a spark. Sparks do not eat away oxygen. Yet, they will catch something on fire, and start a raging fire.

 

In the end, you'll get stuck with sparks. But sparks can kill.

 

True, true. But does the sun have oxygen on it? No. It is caused by something else.

Indeed... but we cannot recreate the sun on earth. It's example of oxygen-less fire is a good one, but an impossible one as well.

-Nuju Metru

EDIT: I had begun to reply when you posted the next question, Jedi Gali, and didn't see it. My apologies.

True, but only because if we did, we'd all burn up, along with water.

But, my question to Nuju is: Water, in steam form, is not a effective weapon. How would you be able to fight with water if you were in a hot place?(By hot, I mean above boiling temp, of course.)

EDIT: Forgive me. I made a horrible typo.

True, but only because if we did, we'd all burn up, along with water.

 

But, my question to Nuju is: What, in steam form, is not a effective weapon. How would you be able to fight with water if you were in a hot place?(By hot, I mean above boiling temp, of course.)

Steam can, actually be a weapon. Like all gases, it is strong when confined. Many types of weapons could be made using that kind of pressure-power to propel a projectile great distances, similar to a Nynrah Ghost blaster.

My Question to you: how could fire be used destructively against water? It isn't possible. Unless there is oil on the liquid, it cannot be lit, and anything flaming flung into water will be doused. As for evaporating the water, this can only be done in certain places. For example, can you evaporate the entire ocean?

-Nuju Metru

In fact, we humans have devloped things that make fire work under water. Every heard of under water torches? The trick is this: To make sure gas is always hitting the flame. If there is enough gas, there is flame. Even under water. So, yes, fire could be used under water as a weapon. So, yes, fire could be used under water as a weapon.

Yes, yes. However, this still doesn't destroy the water. Fire existing in water is no great triumph, as water existing in fire kills the fire. Fire can only coexist with water, while water can both resist fire and douse it.

-Nuju Metru

Thank you both for a very interesting debate.

I'd like you post your closing statements now.

-JG