wait ...

 

there's a fourth now?

Popular media? Sanity? LOLwat?

THE RIDING INTO THE SUNSET WAS THE PERFECT ENDING!

 

 

Why, Indy, why?

To preserve sanity I watched it with the MST3K mindset.

This. Also isn't that site mind-consuming?

Personally I agree with Butters from South Park... it wasn't that bad of a movie. If you're out to dis it, then I'm sure you can find that kind of #### anywhere. Like it or not, this was Hollywood... they don't care if it's rational or realistic, they just care if you're entertained. Obviously you weren't.

 

Of course it was unrealistic. As xccj said, it's entertainment.

 

I was entertained.

 

No mention of the aliens?

I would of changed the ending.

Then it would've been perfect.

No mention of the aliens?

Aliens didn't bug me in the least.

 

You had in the first movie, a magical Ark from a magical being that makes people's heads explode or turn into wax and melt.

 

The second (oof... ugh...) had a dude using life-giving magical stones to turn people's chests to silly putty.

 

The third... oh, who cares. It was freakin' awesome.

 

So yeah, these aliens were no big deal.

I like the twist they spun on the real-life crystal skulls by actually making some VERY awesome-looking crystal bodies to go with them.

 

I dunno... if you think about it, what went wrong in this movie... these things I described... they're almost ALL things thaat happened because some nerdy morons were showing off their (yawn) CGI "skills".

 

CGI vehicles (assumption, there... maybe that's why the lights were always on lol.

CGI nuclear effects.

CGI prairie dogs.

CGI monkey kids climbing trees.

CGI monkeys.

CGI ants.

 

...really, Lucas and Spielberg need to stay all the heck away from CGI.

It can be pretty at times, but these guys have constructed wheelchairs out of the tech.

 

And really, it's so DONE these days that it's use, executed as sloppily as those two dunderheads use it, is IMMEDIATELY APPARENT when it should in fact be a mystery if something was real or manufactured.

 

Sad, sad, sad.

Wow Jinzo, you've outgrown fun.

It's more entertaining when you think of it in another dimension in which the cold war never ended, Russians are terrible shots, magnets are selective and powerful little pricks, fridges protect from nuclear fallout and explosions, headlights are needed in broad daylight, and cliches are unexpected.

^^^lol. That's pretty well accurate there. X D

 

Wow Jinzo, you've outgrown fun.

Nonsense. Even as a kid... loved Star Wars, LOVED Empire... but even as a kid I could tell Jedi was carrying some major "Hollywood" problems.

 

Ghostbusters... fun.

Ghostbusters 2... not so fun, because it wasn't even trying to be as serious as the first.

 

Raiders... pretty decent.

Temple of Doom... mind-numbingly kooky.

Last Crusade... Pretty much awesome.

Crystal Skulls... crude CGI-fest of silly slapstick nonsense combined with rough errors.

 

It's like... well, ever see what kind of "funny" movies come out of like Hong Kong?

So many are just wacky... some are just crying for days awful... which can be kind of interesting in the right mood.

 

But here you have a series with 2 good movies in it, a budget to bankrupt a small country, technological advances in film-making up the whazoo, like over ten years to get the next installment "just right"... and you get the Shia Lebouf (bad acting) brat from Transformers (UUUUUGH) swinging with monkey pals in the jungle.

 

Dude... that's not outgrowing fun lol.

 

I think what's going on here are your standards are too low. Just throw a bunch of CGI in your eyes and you're good to go, anything and everything else be darned.

Wow Jinzo, you've outgrown fun.

 

I heard when that happens you die.

^^^lol. That's pretty well accurate there. X D

 

Wow Jinzo, you've outgrown fun.

Nonsense. Even as a kid... loved Star Wars, LOVED Empire... but even as a kid I could tell Jedi was carrying some major "Hollywood" problems.

 

Ghostbusters... fun.

Ghostbusters 2... not so fun, because it wasn't even trying to be as serious as the first.

 

Raiders... pretty decent.

Temple of Doom... mind-numbingly kooky.

Last Crusade... Pretty much awesome.

Crystal Skulls... crude CGI-fest of silly slapstick nonsense combined with rough errors.

 

It's like... well, ever see what kind of "funny" movies come out of like Hong Kong?

So many are just wacky... some are just crying for days awful... which can be kind of interesting in the right mood.

 

But here you have a series with 2 good movies in it, a budget to bankrupt a small country, technological advances in film-making up the whazoo, like over ten years to get the next installment "just right"... and you get the Shia Lebouf (bad acting) brat from Transformers (UUUUUGH) swinging with monkey pals in the jungle.

 

Dude... that's not outgrowing fun lol.

 

I think what's going on here are your standards are too low. Just throw a bunch of CGI in your eyes and you're good to go, anything and everything else be darned.

 

Oh my, now I know why I disagree with almost everything here. See, I personally think that Raiders of the Lost Ark was easily the best of the series, and I rate Last Crusade right behind it.

 

Honestly, I liked Kingdom of the Crystal Skull a lot. Sure, there were some odd parts, like the Nuclear fridge scene and the ending, but overall I thought it captured the spirit of Indiana Jones far better than Temple of Doom, which I feel was not just the worst in the series, but just plain bad.

 

And no, I did not enjoy it because of the CGI. I enjoyed it because I thought it had a good storyline, because I liked the characters, and because there was a lot of stuff in it that just felt like Indy - like the whip action in Hangar 51, the good old fashioned fist fight with Indy and Dovchenko, the exploration of the ancient gravesite, etc. Also, I think Shia Lebouf is a decent actor. Not earth shattering, nor especially experienced, but far better than a lot of younger movie stars. Besides, the good news is that he never actually stole the show from Indy, and remained what he was supposed to be: a sidekick. And that's fine with me.

 

Also, when you consider all the other wacky things in the first three movies, I don't really think that this one is much more crazy:

 

Raiders of the Lost Ark - Nonsensical boulder trap that destroys the very temple that it's supposed to defend, Hitler being interested in a JEWISH artifact, Hitler as an occultish freakfest, giant silly flying wing that doesn't really exist, planning to carry the ark on that same, very untested prototype aircraft, and of course, the spectacular opening of the ark, complete with freakish ghosts, face melting, giant rushing winds, sacred fire, etc. Oh, and how about the scene where Indy brings the truck into a dead end, goes into a tunnel, the market people cover up the tunnel with their stands, and then the Germans who were following him just TURN AROUND, even though it's a DEAD END with no possible escape routes.

 

Temple of Doom - Freakish, unfitting opening with Chinese/English hybrid singing, Indy falling for Lao Che's obvious trick, Wille PERIOD, the whole entire dinner scene at Pangkok palace, sacrificial scene with the sacrifice living after his WHOLE HEART is pulled out, and then being lowered into a giant pool of lava, and the whole mine-cart chase scene, the bridge scene, and just about every scene in the movie that wasn't slow or boring.

 

Last Crusade - The whole grave knight scene, The useage of Zeplins, the usage of fighter planes ATTACHED to the Zeplin, defeating the Nazi plane by making birds fly into it, the Hitler autograph scene, the totally wacky tank scene, the nonsensical Path of God challenge, and another trap that destroys the very place that its trying to protect grave robbers from.

 

Basically, the entire Indy series is loaded with historical inacuracy, nonsensical traps, extremely incompitent and freakish enemies, wacky special effects, etc. Yes, Indy 4 used far more CGI, but other than that, I don't really think it's much more wacky than the first three.

 

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overall I thought it captured the spirit of Indiana Jones far better than Temple of Doom

Agreed. ToDoom was and remains to be the illegitimate child of the series.

 

Nonsensical boulder trap that destroys the very temple that it's supposed to defend

I forget how that scene ended. Did it break through the mouth of the temple or securely block the entrance?

 

Hitler being interested in a JEWISH artifact

Well, I could get political on this, but I'll just leave it at Hitler, though a bad man, didn't wake up one day and yell "We're superior! They're inferior!"... he was protecting his country from what seemed over time to be a conspiracy of foreign bankers. Aaand he went overboard. Badly. Sadly. But it wouldn't leave him blind to any magical items / clues the people may have had. If it were real, you'd think it even more possible, as raids / confiscations / searches by his military might have stumbled onto something that would otherwise not have been known of.

 

Hitler as an occultish freakfest

Yeah. I mean, he was into some weird things, but the occult is more of a (documented) interest with the Soviets at that time. ...which now that I think about it is exactly what Crystal Skulls emulated.

 

Germans who were following him just TURN AROUND, even though it's a DEAD END with no possible escape routes.

Yep, that's a blunder. Unless they thought they better make tracks to the other side, as someone on the other side may have aided his escape? Who knows, but at least there's room open for doubt... the wackiness isn't hitting you rapid-fire and right between the eyes.

 

That's the main difference. Though ALL the Indy movies had wacky comedy scenes, errors, cliches' and whatnot, this 4th one just... man... it did NOT let up with the nonsense until the very end.

 

Honestly, once they actually got up to the temple... THAT'S where I started liking it. But it was oh so painful getting there.

 

 

Like, you wouldn't be watching a serious episode of Gundam as two pilots are exchanging blows with beam swords, then be cool if they cut over to a cockpit with a CGI Scooby Doo going, "RUT RO! *GULP*!" ... I mean, you'd probably jump up from wherever you were and let out a loud, "WHAT in the HECK did I just SEE!?!"

 

Some things of questionable sanity in Indy is "ok". A barrage is disheartening.

 

overall I thought it captured the spirit of Indiana Jones far better than Temple of Doom

Agreed. ToDoom was and remains to be the illegitimate child of the series.

 

Yeah, and it's really too bad. What I can't get over is that the film tried to be both a sequel to Raiders of the Lost Ark and a movie that attempted to shock you with gruesome scenes. Things like the comical dinner and the minecart chase contrasted with scenes showing slave children being beaten and men being sacrificed by an ancient cult. The two sides of the movie just didn't work together - and it's convinced me that Indiana Jones should never actually try to be legitimately dark and scary. It doesn't jive with what Indy's movies generally are - wacky, funfilled special effects adventure feasts with mystical background plots that are simply made to be entertaining.

 

Nonsensical boulder trap that destroys the very temple that it's supposed to defend

I forget how that scene ended. Did it break through the mouth of the temple or securely block the entrance?

 

I can't remember either, but I do know that before the boulder started rolling, the entire idol chamber began to fall apart and turn into rubble, which is pretty nonsensical.

 

Hitler being interested in a JEWISH artifact

Well, I could get political on this, but I'll just leave it at Hitler, though a bad man, didn't wake up one day and yell "We're superior! They're inferior!"... he was protecting his country from what seemed over time to be a conspiracy of foreign bankers. Aaand he went overboard. Badly. Sadly. But it wouldn't leave him blind to any magical items / clues the people may have had. If it were real, you'd think it even more possible, as raids / confiscations / searches by his military might have stumbled onto something that would otherwise not have been known of.

 

The main point I was really making is that, IMO, the whole notion of Nazi occultism is silly to begin with, and is more an invention of popular culture than anything else. Hitler's real ultimate goal was to push foward the theory of natural selection and human evolution, and he claimed that he himself was God. I won't go any further than that, as I don't want the mods to close this entry, but I doubt anyone could really make a legitamite case that Hitler was obsessed with mythical legends and stuff, especially things that related to races he wanted to wipe out.

 

Hitler as an occultish freakfest

Yeah. I mean, he was into some weird things, but the occult is more of a (documented) interest with the Soviets at that time. ...which now that I think about it is exactly what Crystal Skulls emulated.

 

Never heard of that before, although I seem to remember reading some odd website that claimed some things that actually weren't that far away from what the fourth Indy movie said. That might at least partly explain why Russia got angry at Speilberg and Lucas for using the Soviets in KOTC...

 

Germans who were following him just TURN AROUND, even though it's a DEAD END with no possible escape routes.

Yep, that's a blunder. Unless they thought they better make tracks to the other side, as someone on the other side may have aided his escape? Who knows, but at least there's room open for doubt... the wackiness isn't hitting you rapid-fire and right between the eyes.

 

That's the main difference. Though ALL the Indy movies had wacky comedy scenes, errors, cliches' and whatnot, this 4th one just... man... it did NOT let up with the nonsense until the very end.

 

Honestly, once they actually got up to the temple... THAT'S where I started liking it. But it was oh so painful getting there.

 

Like, you wouldn't be watching a serious episode of Gundam as two pilots are exchanging blows with beam swords, then be cool if they cut over to a cockpit with a CGI Scooby Doo going, "RUT RO! *GULP*!" ... I mean, you'd probably jump up from wherever you were and let out a loud, "WHAT in the HECK did I just SEE!?!"

 

Some things of questionable sanity in Indy is "ok". A barrage is disheartening.

 

Well, I didn't think the wackiness was nonstop, but I do admit the scenes with the monkeys and groundhogs kinda didn't jive with the overall setting. Since they didn't take up barely any of the running time though, I didn't really mind that much. Now, if those animals had actually been major plot points, that I would have not liked at all.

 

BTW, Jinzo, you're probably one of the few people that don't consider the aliens to be the major blundering point of the movie. All I've been reading on site after site is that they shouldn't have even touched UFO's. Glad to see there's at least someone else who doesn't think that.

 

 

It's hard to fault the movie for aliens. There is out there, amongst the numerous forgeries, a curious skull or two in real life that don't make much sense existing.

Then you have high-ranking politicians and military personnel holding audience with Congress over wanting some alien / UFO stuff declassified.

On top of that, there's been more and more UFO sightings going on these days.

I myself am not into the whole UFO culture, but it's not anything to simply dismiss as all the events being hoaxes or farmer Pedro had too much to drink.

 

The people slamming the movie for aliens... where were they when a magical box was shootin' ghosts and death out?

Where were they when encountering a near-immortal old fart in a somehow overlooked crevice in a desert?

lol

 

Yeah, the Russians were ACTIVELY pursuing psychic technology back in the old days.

They held covert experiments out in public, like enlisting allegedly powerful psychics to concentrate on players at a chess meet from the audience to see if they could get them to mess up.

Weird stuff like that.

 

Well, I didn't think the wackiness was nonstop

I found it to be. After seeing South Park's and everyone else's take on it, I kinda' knew what I was walking into.

I had the movie playing in one window, then paused it to write about it in another window whenever something facepalm popped up. Seemed like I was doing A LOT of pausing.

X D

Yeah, the Russians were ACTIVELY pursuing psychic technology back in the old days.

They held covert experiments out in public, like enlisting allegedly powerful psychics to concentrate on players at a chess meet from the audience to see if they could get them to mess up.

Weird stuff like that.

 

Funny, that sounds awfully familiar...