I vote Aye to all stated Articles. Another good day of work. I must say, being in C.I.R.C.L.E. certainly allows for alot of respect in the Epic Community.

-Zee

Aye to all articles.

-eM

I vote "AYE" to all stated Articles.

 

Also, didn't I also propose Article 21b? Not being picky, but just checking.

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Kohilå

 

Im pretty sure that you did propose this in the dark portal cannon's topic but i also pmed ausar if it would be a article.

Anyways, Nay toarticle 42 but Aye to the rest.

Toa Zahaku

Aye to all.

Aye to all articles, and I must say I am surprised so many people proposed Article 21b.

~B~

Aye to all articles.

Aye to all articles.

AYE to all stated articles.

Although I remain opposed to the idea of Makuta having survived in any fashion I chose to vote "AYE" on Article 21b purely because of the creative mechanism it employs, and by the same argument I'll also vote "AYE" on Articles 39-41.

Unfortunately I can't say the same for the next proposal, because I "VETO" Article 42.

I can't imagine how a Kanohi Cryalis would work on a Toa of {Insert Word Here} Control because their Element is not the Rahi, Insects, or Weather, but rather the control over those forces, furthermore, what would a Toa of Quick Healing become, or a Toa of Fate? How about Gravity or Magnetism or Hunger or Mind Reading or Shattering? It's simply not a feasible mask power in my estimation.

• P.S. Although I accept the notion that

Oh, believe me Toa Talvak, I understand completely where he got the idea from, I'm just saying that unless it works for all the various elements then it shouldn't be part of "The C.I.R.C.L.E. Universe".

Can anybody please tell me what a Toa of Mind Reading would become? Or even something canon like a Toa of Gravity? What about a Toa of Magnetism?

Seriously, a Kanohi should work universally for all Toa, regardless of their Element, thus I may have to "VETO" this article.

Toa_Ausar:

In response to your question, I would say that said Toa would become a sentinent entity of the element.

For instance, a Toa of Gravity would literally become a living, intangible force of gravity, able to pull things closer to him/her through their gravitational pull.

In the same aspect, I would say that the Kanohi Cryalis is like a Kanohi Iden put in the form of the use actually becoming their Element.

Like Kohila said, a Toa using the Kanohi Cryalis would become a living physical manifestation of his or her Element. Simple as that.

To answer your question, Toa of Mind Reading probably would become a being of mental energy.

Yeah, but how can you become a physical manifestation of rahi control, it would make sense for the elements such as fire, plasma and the like

so im changing my vote to NAY, sorry but Ausar does have a point.

Then you would become a living manifestation of Rahi Control, able to waver a Rahi to do your every whim.

Although there is certainly still time for me to muster the necessary votes to defeat Article 42, I have in fact edited my primary post to reflect the "VETO" of said proposal should I unfortunately fail to garner enough support.

Furthermore, the Article does not clearly state that users of the Kanohi Cryalis become "living physical manifestations" of their element as a whole, nor does is it in any way reasonable to assume that nearby objects become "hosts" to some sort of conversion from the proposal as it was initially described to me, thus I cannot support either of those explanations.

Lastly, it is somewhat well known that many of us "C.I.R.C.L.E. Members" have been working off my "Unofficial List of Forty C.I.R.C.L.E. Elemental Tribes", however judging from Toa Talvak's recent comments, it appears that it may be time to move towards making them official.

Then why don't you just revise the Article to specify that?

I only bring up the Elements issue because the Kanohi power in question works fine for all canon Elements, but not for all "C.I.R.C.L.E. Elements". It seems to me that this is more a flaw in the "C.I.R.C.L.E. Elements" than a flaw in the mask power.

So what do you want us to do with the C.I.R.C.L.E. elements if there are flaws in them, because i would not change my element at all.

Ausar, you know what i think we should all do, is discuss this topic untill we come to an agreement then vote on it again.

Toa Zahaku

P.S By we i mean the whole of C.I.C.R.L.E

That's exactly why I'm vetoing it, so that we can have a serious discussion before voting on it again.

Also, personally I don't think that the Kanohi Cryalis really works very well for Gravity, Magnetism, or Sonics, all of which are canon elements.

Furthermore, if the Element of Plant Control is canon, then the possibility of their being the Element of Rahi Control is at such a very high probability that three of the founding members of "The C.I.R.C.L.E." independently chose it as their personal power, however there is no way that the proposed Kanohi would work for said Element.

Anyway, all of this debate proves my point that more discussion is needed, particularly since the author of the proposal has yet to weigh-in on the subject.

Actually, in BIONICLE Adventures #7, the Toa Metru faced both a creature made of Fire and a creature made of Sonics. I fail to understand why the Kanohi Cryalis wouldn't work in a similar way. It transmutes the wearer into whatever Element he or she creates, or in other words the wearer becomes his or her Element. This is the reason it won't work for any Control Element, nothing is created.

The Element of Plant Life is a canon. Plant Control is a power. A Makuta power. Rahi Control is a Makuta power. Weather Control is a Makuta power. A vast majority of C.I.R.C.L.E. Elements are based off of Makuta powers without really considering what an Element is. An Element is any force of nature that can be created, controlled, and absorbed by Toa. If it doesn't fit all these requirements, it can't be wielded by a Toa and is therefore not an Element.

Well, your point about Adventures #7 doesn't apply here because that's not what RingMaster Zee said the Kanohi Cryalis does, rather that's what Kohila suggested it might do.

In actuality the article states that the user temporarily transforms into a single aspect of their Element, and there is no mention of that aspect being a sentient entity anywhere in the proposal, none whatsoever.

But toa talvak, Greg F has said before that the only thing that can create life is the ignika or a being cursed by the ignika and creating plantlife is creating life isnt it?

Ill pm Zee now to see what he thinks on this subject