So I'm guessing you think sentience (which is where I think free will beings, to answer your question) is also a construct and has no real meaning?

How do you explain creative endeavours such as art and writing as a result of the above scenario?

And how do you account for the fact that I just twitched my left eye? That's predetermined? If everything's predetermined, where is the information stored that predetermines things?

So I'm guessing you think sentience (which is where I think free will beings, to answer your question) is also a construct and has no real meaning?

 

How do you explain creative endeavours such as art and writing as a result of the above scenario?

 

And how do you account for the fact that I just twitched my left eye? That's predetermined? If everything's predetermined, where is the information stored that predetermines things?

It's not stored anywhere, you're still thinking like there's a mind.

Think of it this way:

I have a device in the centre of a room, when I push a button it will shoot out 1,000,000,000 tiny balls. they balls have been placed so they will bounce and form complex patterns. there is no stored information inside the room for the balls to fallow, they're just bouncing in a way that makes the shape of a goldfish, they didn't pick to be a goldfish, they just bounced in the proper way.

Everything that is is just a temporary pattern predetermined by the random bouncing of atoms. You disagreeing with me is just a just a random, predetermined pattern, my hands on the key-bored is just a random, predetermined pattern.

We are both just a random, predetermined patterns, one day we shall turn to dust and our atoms will separate and reform into new shapes.

Take joy, one day your liver could help to form a new star!

heres a bigger question who or what created these atoms

heres a bigger question who or what created these atoms

Thats up to your own beliefs becuase at this point nothing can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

Free will is the ability for one's brain and related organs to control those electrical and chemical signals. While both the body and mind (the mind being no more than arranged particles where neurons can send signals to one another) are no more than predetermined physical equations, mathematical patterns, and chemical interactions, the human brain (and possibly other animal's brains) are capable of making chemical and electrical reactions happen to force others to happen. While the end result is still subatomic and atomic particles moving in a predetermined way, the human brain has some control as to what chemical and electrical impulses are sent throughout the body.

We are no more and no less than a Mathematical equation, a Chemical formula, and a Physical equation.

Also on the subject of the universally controlling equation: If such a pattern that controlled all known (and possibly unknown) matter in the universe existed, it could never be found.. not only is an impossible amount of memory needed (somewhere in the thousands of yottabytes would be needed to keep and expand the data), but to know the location, direction and velocity of a particle is an impossibility as of right now.

But how do you know you're really in control of those electronic signals?

Who cares if you can't control it? I just want to see how it ends :S

~ck

I think it will be like a light bulb being turned off.

only it will take a very long time for one to be turned off and there will be lots of light bulbs.

I think it will be like a light bulb being turned off.

 

 

only it will take a very long time for one to be turned off and there will be lots of light bulbs.

i like the idea of four horseman better it sounds more epic

I think it will be like a light bulb being turned off.

 

 

only it will take a very long time for one to be turned off and there will be lots of light bulbs.

i like the idea of four horseman better it sounds more epic

Mine would be epic too if you could speed up time.

Imagen the enter universe going dark and imploding.

I think it will be like a light bulb being turned off.

 

 

only it will take a very long time for one to be turned off and there will be lots of light bulbs.

i like the idea of four horseman better it sounds more epic

Mine would be epic too if you could speed up time.

 

 

 

Imagen the enter universe going dark and imploding.

sounds more depressing

I think it will be like a light bulb being turned off.

 

 

only it will take a very long time for one to be turned off and there will be lots of light bulbs.

i like the idea of four horseman better it sounds more epic

Mine would be epic too if you could speed up time.

 

 

 

Imagen the enter universe going dark and imploding.

sounds more depressing

Add a classical overture and you have the show of a life time.

I think it will be like a light bulb being turned off.

 

 

only it will take a very long time for one to be turned off and there will be lots of light bulbs.

i like the idea of four horseman better it sounds more epic

Mine would be epic too if you could speed up time.

 

 

 

Imagen the enter universe going dark and imploding.

sounds more depressing

Add a classical overture and you have the show of a life time.

meh i guess

Or, more simply, let Philosoraptor explain it.