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Do you still have Po-Koro saved? Could you ppplllleeeeeeaaasssee add that right now? It looks so cool. Also, I found a glitch where you can swim up underneath the temple and get in, but then you're stuck inside. Also, what's in/behind the giant boulders at the edge of the map?

Can you tell us how to perform the glitch that gets you inside the temple? Can you maybe record it and make a video demonstration?

I would still love to help with the writing once the project is started up again

No pressure or anything, but you are still looking for writers, right? You said that you were going to PM me, but you never did. I assume you meant you would do it if it turns out you do need help, so I assume that you've found all the writers you need at this point. But if it is because you just haven't gotten to the point of writing dialogue, I'm still open to help out. Plus I have a lot of free time to do it. And then I say a lot, I mean a huge amount

So, if you still need any writers, I'm still up for the task. I have knowledge of many literary techniques and devices, and I also think I'm pretty well-versed in coming up with interesting dialogue. I am still a writer in training though. I have a lot to learn. I also have vast knowledge of the Bionicle universe like many others on this site, having been along since 2001 So, if you still need any help, just ask!

Writing? That's my forté! I already sent you a message by the way I wrote most of the script for the movie that was supposed to come out of the now defunct Bionicle: Next Generation project, a version that no one but me and a few have seen though.

Still hoping it is a continuation/sequel...

I'm hoping for a soft reboot kinda like what happened to doctor who. I've never seen much classic who yet I can jump right in and everythings wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey. There's still references to the original and classic characters and whatnot, and the main character is still the same (hopefully Mata or Metru(I grew up with the metru)). I do want to see the serials tied up in some way though, be it through the serials themselves or some other way. Either way, I'm still going to buy a couple sets and glue my face to bionicle-story.com (assuming that's where I can find it).

 

Some people have said that they may make a tv show. If they do, I really hope that its on netflix or somewhere where I don't have to get cable tv to watch it. 

Your Doctot Who analogy is ingenious! I'd love for the new story to turn out like this. Also, they could make it kind of like how The Legend of Korra relates to Avatar: The Last Airbender, with subtle references to past events

I think this would be highly unlikely, as LEGO moved away from bionicle because it was getting cancelled. Adding the same characters with different backstories would confuse casual buyers so much.

Not with the right execution. This is what a lot of people here on BZP are forgetting. Everything is possible with the right mindset as a writer, the right creativity and imagination. But it would be hard.

And we should have Cryoshell and Le-Koronan whacky tunes playing to the couples dancing

 

This is sad news, especially because this means that the serials will never be published (unless by Greg in a non-official way). It may be time to no longer rely on Greg or anybody, we (especially the BZPower community) should unite, take the story, and continue with it on our own.

If we want to preserve Bionicle, we can not wait for someone else to do it for us. For some time I have realized that LEGO is not going to make any effort (and makes sense). We should not see this as a final death for Bionicle, but as an opportunity to take it under our care.

Lots of fan communities are kept alive by the fans themselves; it is an example we should follow.

 

This^But just, for a little while, try to imagine what'd it be like if LEGO became something like DC or Marvel, with everything tying together, always building upon all series at the same time. Imagine all those relaunches... that would be even worse than this.

I hope that Greg does come back though... otherwise we really do have to deal with this on our own. I wonder what LEGO would think about actually handing the rights to the story to someone like DC or Marvel. Not so it can be blended into the other series though, but for continuation purposes. It would be amazing to see James Roberts and Nick Roche write stories set in the BIONICLE universe!

 

I've been wondering when they were going down for a while. It makes me very sad. I have no doubt our heroic fans will rescue the important stuff, though.

 

As a matter of fact, the backup is currently 95% done. After that, all that's left to do is add a massive notice saying "Uhhmmm hey we don't own this stuff, so please don't sue us, mmmkay?", and upload everything.

 

Awesome. Keep me and the others posted! I'd love to get to use those sites again Will they include all the other, previous versions of the sites, accessible through the Wayback Machine? Or is that stuff now lost forever?

For the record, the change was from solid antidermis to "gaseous" or energy form of antidermis. And BS01 also says the suits were modified slightly at that point, implying only slightly. (At least paraphrasing off the top of my head. ) So it's still likely that the average form we've seen is close to the original default form, with changes based on their personal choices.

 

Although the whole armor design thing has confused me, since if they're shapeshifters it's hard to see why they would need altered. (By the Nynrah Ghosts, I believe it was.)

I guess that when they shapeshift, it is actually the armor that is shapeshifting to a different kind of shell that can still hold the energy.

Hopefully this article will bring new players to the rpg forum.

I don't think there is a normal form because they are all gaseous beings in suits of armor, so the armor can vary. I don't think there is any default one.

Originally they were not made of pure Antidermis energy. Originally they were completely biomechanical as any other being in the Matoran Universe. I think it was Chirox who came up with the idea of transforming their bodies into energy, wasn' it...?

EDIT: They were actually always brought to life from Antidermis, I think, but they didn't become the beings of pure energy that we know before later. Here's a quote on the evolution into pure energy, from BS01: Originally biomechanical, the Makuta race eventually evolved to a state of pure energy, in which they no longer had to eat, sleep, breathe, or could feel pain. This evolution was first noticed by Bitil, and Chirox learned by examining a sample of Kojol's essence what had happened to them. Teridax ordered the Nynrah Ghosts to assist them by modifying their new armor. Soon after, the Makuta made a collective decision to shun their inner light, becoming true creatures of shadow. Due to the threat posed to their new armor by Toa of Iron and Magnetism, Makuta began monitoring Matoran populations of those elements, and employed several Iron and Magnetism Toa in their guardian Toa Hagah teams, in order to keep them in check."

Perhaps it was actually a natural part of a Makuta's life cycle?

 

Bionicle was a story that began an arc problem, if you will -- Mata Nui, the Great Spirit (super good guy) has been cast into slumber by the evil Makuta (super bad guy), and various little good guys will struggle against him and his various minions, allies, and pawns, to undo that damage. Without knowing any of the other details, this sets Bionicle up for a beginning, middle and end, and that's exactly what happened. The end goal was clarified near the end as being about Reforming Spherus Magna, which provided a reason for the existence of the super good guy in the first place (and the bad guy indirectly). But the story was finished.

 

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While it's true that Bionicle is filled with unexplored potential too, it can't just return in the way Star Trek did. There would have to be a new arc, and let's face it, it would have to be as good as or better than the arc we already had, and our expectations would be so high it may be impossible to surpass them. I really think a large number of fans have been satisfied with the arc we had, even if it was ended a little early and there were some bumps along the road. This really isn't, in hindsight, all that comparable to Star Trek. It really is hard to see how a second arc could work as well as the first

 

This reminds me of the words of a Disney rep in 1997 about the TV series spin-off of Hercules. He said they were setting it specifically before the movie, when the main character was a nobody, saying they'd learned from their experience with the Aladdin TV series (which was set after the movie). When asked about this, he replied that it was too hard to tell stories after the big happy ending.

 

Could this be the case with Bionicle? With Makuta's defeat, has the story reached the point of "that's it, the end"?

 

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I think it is actually irrelevant wether BIONICLE or Star Trek is similiar in any way or not. What I was talking about is the fanbase, not the story So the anology does work here, as it is not used in such a context. But I get what you mean.

What do you mean? Just to be clear, Greg meant the analogy to be about an official return (possibility) -- not about how active we might be if it doesn't return. The idea being that if we stay active enough it'll naturally show LEGO that there's fans out there for a return.

 

BTW, though, another big difference is that those of us showing activity here wouldn't be indicative of the target audience anyways, though, and I think most of us have realized that. And it really only works if it's "natural". In other words, if LEGO mostly sees us saying "come on, guys, act interested!" they are going to realize it's more drummed-up (not to be negative, but for lack of a better phrase ) than based on genuinely strong continued dissatisfaction with the end. The fans LEGO would really be targeting won't likely be part of any online Bionicle community already anyways; that'll be new generations.

 

I'll say it again if you missed it above - the 'idea' doesn't work, because there were many active fans when Bionicle was last around, and yet Lego went ahead and cancelled it. Therefore the activity of fans is irrelevant to whether the line is alive or not. You sort of say this yourself at the start of the second paragraph.

 

Look, this is the point I am trying to make here. I am not talking abut continuening the story as much as I am talking about continuening fandom. Fandom does not mean story. Fandom is the same as fanbase. Though, as someone pointed out, new stories would help the fandom I think.

By the way, everything is possible with stuff like this if it is executed well. If it is not, not so much. And I did like the new stories we got, it's just that when it stopped it felt like a total cliffhanger kind of thing. Meeting Mavrah and then boom, nothing. A bit of a disappointment, but I don't wan to demand anything from Greg. But I am going to say that I do not feel that LEGO let BIONICLE reach its maximum potential. But when it did reach its prime in its lifespan, it was pretty good Stories from Bara Magna and Bota Magna or just Spherus Magna wouldn't hurt the fandom, I think. It if was well-written and well-executed, it would actually help But we all know this. I don't want to be redundant... so, I am sorry that I sound kind of like that.

The analogy have different meanings depending on how you look at it.

And how drummed up? Business is usually controlled by hype actually. But with the post, I think I was aiming for more of the fans that are not here anyore but may lurk here. I think it's a tradition for fans to sit lurking before registrering. Funny

Oh, and I am very happy that you are so enthusiastic We can do this, but only step by step I think. And I can't wait to see what you come up with.

I think it is actually irrelevant wether BIONICLE or Star Trek is similiar in any way or not. What I was talking about is the fanbase, not the story So the anology does work here, as it is not used in such a context. But I get what you mean.

I have a picture here:

 

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070407153934/bionicle/images/e/e6/Makuta_species.jpg

I dont know if this is canon but I always figured it was their canon form.

That's actually a rather good explanation for that exact art piece and why it's here there and looks that way. But I wonder if it's canon that they all had the Kraakhan and wielded the same Staff of Darkness haha. I guess not.

Well, for me, it never stopped. I still actively try to keep BIONICLE, its fandom and everything alive as good as I can. I don't see how anyone could grow out of something so fantastic and unique. I mean that storyline, those wondrous concepts. The sets. So overwhelming.

I see boredom as something negative. I have a bit of an workaholic in me. I get so restless during holidays.And this post was actually meant to be positive, but as I said, some of it came out wrong from what I was thinking and wanted to write, or that was what I meant about wording what I meant more properly. It's simply a call to the fans that are silent. I know, but people should be able to enjoy the whole package when we had it. Sets and story. Now that we don't have any new sets I can't see why people can't care about the story anymore. I think that is actually why Greg is not postog any stories recently. I think that he doesn't know if the audience is still there, though I don't know. You, the staff, probably do though. But as Greg said, we just have to love both Bionicle and Hero Factory. Using the Star Trek analogy was rather clever and a good idea, but it's kinda like people don't care anyway. I use that analogy all the time myself. Did you know that Advance Copenhagen still care alot about Bionicle, and they have been helping some fan projects?

You don't need any ressources to do so, actually. All you need is a live for Bionicle, knowledge of language, imagination, creativity and a pen and paper. Unless you want to move from fanfic to actual movies. Ever heard of James Roberts' Eugenesis?EDIT: At least we knew about the risks. We were working on shorts. But then came All the downtimes, then the line's end and then the sad declind that we're seeing now.

Like Next Generation? Yeah, I know, I'm an admin hehe. And while we've had some problems, it was sometimes due to bad leadership (no offense to the leaders of course!) and their ambitions, rather than any other members'. But we're still working on something here, we will just not announce yet and right here. But the fact that sich projects exist, is proof that the fandom is in fact here. Fandoms would never be the same, in my opinion, without such projects.By the way, Bones, for me entertainment is often more than simply fun, it is, for me, one of the most importnt things in the world, or at least fiction is. You see, I dream of being an author A successful, brilliant and famous one. Abd with certainly things it has a much deeper mening than simple fun. A kinda funny deviantART conversation says it fairly well:"So do you watch BIONICLE then?I breath it.XDXDD"Or something like that.Now please don't look at that in an unhealthy way, it's just a clear picture of how *important* Bionicle is. I do not take Bionicle, its stories and sets for granted, I want to make that clear. It's just one of those little (or big...?) things that are that unique to me. I just wanted to say that.But I do admit that I've had a dream of working on the story, and have, a while back, talked to Copenhagen Advance about doing a certainly project. I'm actually a bit jealous that I didn't come up with it or at least got to be part of the Story Team hahaha. I don't even live far away from Billund.EDIT: Bybrhe way nice signature Bohrok

What I'm saying that seems different from what you're saying is that we certainly don't need to fear discussion lessening or even going away.

 

This is not to say that zero discussion would be better, of course. And there are tons of positive mental effects of entertainment and discussion of it, as I've chronicled throughout the years. So I get what you're trying to say, but I'm just saying, be careful not to try to think of this as a duty or anything, as that would take the fun out of it.

 

BTW, forgetting can be good with stories. That way you can later go back and re-read them as if you were reading them for the first time again and enjoy them even more.

Wow, forgot about quoting

Well, if you read my text again, I never did say that it was dead. I said that it was merely asleep And, you know, even this discussion is pracising fandom I guess. That is if we are both fans... hmmm? I'll be keeping an eye on you. *points two fingers at eyes, then at you.* (EDIT. was being sarcastic there. I don't doubt that you're still a huge fan, otherwise I don't think you would have been given the Storyline Theories section. That's pretty cool btw )

Well, isn't that all the point of what I am saying? I don't want to sound rude Bones, but you're pretty much saying what I am saying: That we just need to do it. But I don't think that there would be anything wrong with trying to attract people in any way. I know that I am already actively doing that, and I would love to see more people do it I really miss all the elaborate graphs and maps people made in those theories... and all the numbers, physics-applying, making sense of it all, and I think it was great that some BZP members even contributed to the canon of the series, even working together with Greg in some sense.

And please don't let that irk you. For in some circumstances, for example when those sayings are associated with a call for action or something like that, there's not really a need for it I think By the way, I do think we should be able to compare it with back then and now. Look at the Greg quotes about Star Trek. The franchise was actually "dead," so to speak, but the fanbase was not, and it resulted in a comeback, but that is not necessarily the reason for a fanbase. The reason and meaning of a fanbase is having people to discuss what they're fans of, but we all know that I guess...

Oh, and I forgot to add that my letter was actually written from a more perspective that was not as much mine as any others'. I've seen and heard from many people who are sad about this, and who don't get why people are "declining" and so on and so forth. But at least we're still here.

About continuing... when it did run as a toyline, that would have been a lot different, as companies such as LEGO listen to the consumers' requests and try to work them into what they're doing, or they would give the public what they were mostly asking for. With only one author, though, it is a lot different, though I don't think we should let ourselves stop suggesting things to Greg, asking him stuff, coming up with theories and all that fascinating stuff. It is never a good idea to limit one's imagination or creativity. Those things need to be taken care off too or they will also "die," or "fall asleep." It is like a memory. Scientific studies have shown that if you don't think about a memory for a long while, it will actually be erased and cease to exist completely, with no way of retrieving it. But now I'm getting off-topic

Bones, would you be interested in keeping the fandom going though? You are a fan, right? Just curious.

EDIT: Not sure if you know that I am talking about the Bionicle fandom and not LEGO fandom... just wondering

EDIT: Also, I've noticed that a lot of the members who left, actually left because they hated the place and how it is being run. I have some friends who thought that way. I don't agree though. Of course there's been some rather nasty stuff and episodes, and no one will agree completely with all rules I guess... but it's still a fantastic place. And we can make it even more fantastic, for LEGO fans and BIonicle fans, and both. Though I have to say that I am glad that BZP still do pay tribute to the line that made the site what it is. I know that it wasn't the majority though, don't worry. And those haters... they have missed out on so much greatness...

Just to make it clear, when I made the comments about fleshing it all more out, I mostly meant cleaning up, tidying up, making sure that we know what is canon and what is not, though that is not necessary I think. But it would definitely be ineteresting to get glimpses of the past once again, even of the times that we already know of. It would also be interesting to revisit the Matoran Universe, even if it is not in the same sense. Perhaps the parts inside of the Mata Nui robot could contribute to the industrialization of Spherus Magna, or the city could be built upon it. I don't think we're quite done yet with the robot. Or at least the people of the Universe is not, I believe. And as Lewa01 said above, there are so many opprotunities for Greg, but also opportunities for us, as a fandom. We could write fanfiction about these universes if we want. One thing I think we should do is at least get the current Bionicle-related contests done. Then perhaps new ones could be started. I heard that the KanohiJournal guys, before all the issues we had with BZP and such, were going to hold some interesting contests actually, including one that was to be used to canonize the look of Artakha and his Mask or something like that. Not that we need that, but I haven't heard much from those guys, and their site went down. I think they didn't have the funding for it, or perhaps people lost interest there too...

Wow, I'm sorry, but people keep misunderstanding me. I don't mean necessarily a story expansion. I mean people have just slowed more and more down even talking about BIONICLE. You do know that a lot of the fans are not necessarily LEGO fans right? I don't think that it being a discontinued toyline is relevant to the survival of the fandom itself. I thought that most people were interested in Bionicle because of the story, too, and not just the toys? Sorry, I just think that the argument about it being discontinued toyline is even more negative than people demanding a "better" story. And no, I do not hate Bionicle's story and Greg's writing I love it. And from the part of my text that you quoted, I am sure I made it clear that I was not talking about demanding a better story, or a continuation of it for that matter. EDIT: I want to make it clear that I think there is a difference between the toyline and the fandom. There are people who do not care about Bionicle only because of the sets. I'm not saying that you're like that, don't worry Bionicle is a franchise, remember? A franchise is more than just toys. Same with Bionicle, I believe. Looking back at how Bionicle has been treated, like in the storyline theories section of the website, I would be inclined to say that Bionicle do and/or have meant more to many people than just being toys. It was an unique storyline with brilliant settings, more unique, in my opinion, than The Lord of the Rings, though not better-written literally of course. The fact that there are some people that remain to take all of it, both toys and story, serious is fantstic. The fandom is certainly not dead, for fandoms can only be considered dead if there is no communication between fans at all. I think it would be interesting to see how many fans in the sense I just used, remain, not only here, but on other sites and such. It would also be interesting to see what Greg thinks of all of it, both the fandom and Bionicle itself, and what the story and franchise means to him.By the way, I do actually write my own Bionicle fanfiction, you just haven't seen it yet