Quisoves Potoo

 

Mask of Charisma, convince everyone to vote for you for King of the world lol

 

Any position that requires an election is, by definition, not a King.

 

Why? A king is a ruler who is, ostensibly, the supreme head of state. A government can be set-up so as to elect its kings. The method of coming to power does not necessarily change the power bestowed. Denmark used to be an elective monarchy. Hence all the talk of an election in Hamlet.

What you seem to be suggesting is, on a certain level, the Bionicle equivalent of the Clone Wars. A series set in a largely unexplored time period that deals with grittier but less epic events as well as political intrigue and the like. More, "How do we keep everyone safe day-by-day?" as opposed to "How do we stop an extraordinary and far-reachhng threat?" but with a bit of the latter thrown in occasionally.

I can certainly see the dramatic potential for your idea. For it to actually become a reality, I suspect that a network would have to approach LEGO about collaborating on the project (I believe this is what happened with the Mixels.) The Toa Maingai period would be one undeveloped enough to not overwhelm new-comers whilst being familiar and interesting enough to longtime fans of the Bionicle franchise.

According to BS01: "The six thieves took advantage of the Toa Nuva's ignorance of their powers to quickly defeat them in open combat." Since Island of Doom is one of the few Bionicle books I have not read, I cannot comment on the veracity of the statement, but that makes sense to me. Some Skakdi powers are quite unusual.

It also occurs to me that the Kanohi Ignika may have been manipulating events in the Pirakas' favor. After all, if each one of the Toa Nuva was integral to reawakening Mata Nui, then surely none of them could have been a bearer of the Ignika. The Ignika would undoubtedly know this, and might well manipulate the Toa Nuva's downfall so as to prompt the arrival of other, more expendable, heroes.

This comic should shine some light.

 

These hardly seem the most likely of events.

You seem to be making too much out of the word choice I happened to use there which was only meant to give a general idea that the Core Dimension isn't where all the right decisions are made. Again, I'm not setting out to give you a crystal clear, easily understandable idea of how I think it works because that would be spoilers for my story. The fact that what I said doesn't dispell the mystery in your mind is probably a good thing.

 

Although most of the examples you gave actually were likely given the situation.

 

That makes sense. In short, it's not like the Melding Alternate Universe or the universe in which the Makuta never rebelled against Mata Nui. But, by the same token, some events go better that in other universes, such as Matoro sacrificing himself.

As for the examples, I think that we are going to have to agree to disagree.

The Core Dimension appears to be defined as the one where the highest probability of what choices people make, including "likely rebellions", occur. So Makuta doesn't overcome temptation in the Core events because it's unlikely that he would. And because destiny is adaptive, things still have a tendency to end up as good overcoming evil there, but it's not guaranteed (such as Teridax's reign, even if temporary).

Your idea is interesting, but it lacks obvious evidence. Can you give more examples?

I can think of a number of events in the Core Universe that did not unfold as they most likely would. One of the most striking ones, or so it seems to me, is the defeat of the leader of the Brotherhood of Makuta by a team of amateur toa and a turaga. Ditto, that same toa team, mutated into Hordika, together with the Rahaga and a few rahi (granted, powerful ones, but two of whom were nonetheless banished to the Zone of Darkness by the Kahgarack), managed to withstand the Visorak Horde and defeat its king and lieutenant. There's also Teridax fusing with Takanuva and being consequently crushed by a stone gate. And a team of six Matoran escaping Karzahni and making their way to Voya Nui. These hardly seem the most likely of events.

No, you can hear sounds being played that aren't intelligible as English. Don't assume that that "is Matoran." LEGO had done games with gibberish sound effects during captioned speech before. At the time that's how it was taken -- simply a way of telling the viewer "we didn't have budget for real voice acting, but we want you to understand that they're talking. If you want to know what they're saying you'll have to read."

I'm looking at you, LEGO Racers 2. "Crummy crummy soda."

No one seems to have mentioned the Summer 2007 animations. Those used spoken English, albeit with voices that sounded like they were being spoken over intercoms (which was probably the intention, given that they took place underwater.)

Here's another can of worms. Under the standard sci-fi "make-a-decison-spawn-a-parallel-universe(s)" system that Greg embraces, the fact that a being in BIONICLE who leaves his universe does not return a moment after his departure (as seen clearly in the cases of Vezon and Mazeka) means that while that being is gone new universes are being split from the one he left, and that when he visits a parallel universe, that universe is also fragmenting (unless no free will normally exists there and he doesn't exercise his own there,) meaning that he now has multiple dimensions to return to and that there are multiple versions of him spawned from the other universes he visited, each one also trying to return to one of those universes.

So, how many dimension-hopping Takanvas have you seen today? And how many can dance on the head of a Chronicler's Staff?

Keep in mind that the tragedy of the Shattering halted all societal progress for 100,000 years and threw any previous development out the window. They could have been really progressive before the Shattering - we just didn't see it. The Glat/Agori could have all been really inventive, with the GBs as the best of the best. (In fact, that might have been part of why they were shocked into barely surviving - all of their creations/innovations had been destroyed. Why bother innovating if it's just going to be taken away/destroyed?)

As cataclysmic as the Shattering certainly was, it couldn't have destroyed all technology and creations on Bara Magna. If that were the case it seems highly unlikely that any life or culture would have survived at all. Granted, we know comparatively little about Spherus Magna prior to the Shattering, but what we do know certainly suggests that a large number of Glatorian and Agori survived and that most Glatorians and Agori lived in tribes. Tribal culture does not suggest any great sophistication, and as far as we know, most of the fantastic technology on Spherus Magna comes from the Great Beings.

 

I wouldn't be so certain about the Skrall; it's shown in the comic Fall and Rise of the Skrall that their fortress north of the Black Spike Mountains was extremely large, well-defended, and futuristic-looking, and it was constructed entirely after the Shattering occurred and their former empire fell apart.

 

The Skrall may be more advanced than the other inhabitants of Bara Magna, but they are still by all accounts pre-industrial. Their primary weapons are still swords.

 

There isn't any reason why the long lifespans of the Glatorian, Agori, and Skrall species would limit or reduce their rate of sociological and scientific advancement. Also, the mental and physical sharpness of characters who are relatively elderly to the Glatorian and Agori, such as Ackar, indicates that they age at a rate similar to how a human would with the same lifespan. There's no reason why each Glatorian, Agori, or Skrall couldn't remain productive members of their respective societies for tens of thousands of years, and if an individual or a group of individuals were able to continue with a project, uninterrupted, for that long, then it's likely that their rate of advancement would be much faster than ours.

On the contrary, imagine if you had a lifespan of over a hundred-thouasnd years. You certainly wouldn't have the same incentives for productivity when you knew you had millennia upon millennia to live. The urgency brought about by the specter of death would be far delayed, possibly non-existent. You might even look forward with joy for death after a while. You probably would ultimately achieve more than if you lived only about a hundred years, but you would likely want to stop and smell the roses as well, meaning slower progress on your part.

 

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I think that Takanuva's elemental power and mask power are just redundant... or maybe it boosts his sheer power level? Not sure on that one.

 

So that's means that the 2003 legend, the topic of board games, videos games, movie, toy line and scenaristic plot is useless in front of a random Toa of Light ? Ironic !

 

(I stay on my first thought anyway...)

 

Mind you, actually finding a Matoran of Light that was quite difficult for those who did not know of Karda Nui, given that the few Av-Matoran scattered about were unaware of their true nature. The Mask of Light, in addition to acting as a Toa stone, also indicated its "herald." Indeed, the Mask of Light was important not simply for creating a Toa of Light, which could be created by a Toa stone, but for actually finding the requisite Av-Matoran.

-Another crazy idea I had that I didn't bring up in the firstpost -- what if they're Skrall? Skrall who didn't want to be warriors? That could also explain the concealing hoods. If people knew that, they definitely wouldn't be so eager for them to be rulers, given the antagonism of most Skrall. And the Skrall have such huge population numbers it's even easier to believe a percentage might be able to disappear long ago until forgotten about and then reintroduce themselves into society as a mystery.

 

While the Skrall certainly seem to be closer to the Great Beings than the tribes of Spherus Magna, the Great Beings seem far too advanced to simply be a cabal of scientific, peaceful Skrall. Technology like that takes time. And it seems unlikely that such an experiment could survive long enough or maintain enough resources to achieve the Great Being's level of abilities.

It is also worth noting that according to the Farshtey Feed the Skrall were not an invasive tribe as of 265,000 years ago. Mind you, I don't think we know how long the Great Beings have been around, but given the long life spans of Spherus Magna inhabitants and what is presumably a correspondingly slow rate of societal progress, I find it unlikely that the Great Beings have existed as such for less than 265,000 years.

I’ve wondered about the answer to this question several time before, simply as a matter of curiosity. One would think that the Red Star, if it were functioning properly, would be able to keep the number of Matoran in the MU close to the same value, thus making reproduction unnecessary. However, there is a hint in the guide book Bionicle: World, published in 2007, that new Matoran would be able to "come into being" on Metru Nui, now that it's Matoran had returned there, within the MU, from Mata Nui, outside of the MU. I know for certain that all of the content of Bionicle: World is canon.

If I recall correctly, a new Matoran comes into being on Metru Nui every time one dies, as a replacement.

The most reasonable theory which I could come up with was that new Matoran were made at a specialized facility, similar to a factory manufacturing robots, and that they were shipped, dormant to a home where they were then activated and raised by a Matoran who was employed to raise the young ones. We never see or hear any mention of Matoran being raised individually or in small groups in the homes of a considerable number of mature or "adult" Matoran, so I'd think it reasonable to assume that they're raised in nurseries in each settlement or on each island that take all of the newly-manufactured Matoran.

Mind you, Matoran were never intended to be fully sapient, and so the Great Beings likely never intended for them to raise one another. After all, if they were simply intended as worker drones, why would they need that kind of development?

They weren't meant to be sentient, they developed sentience on their own

 

Plus, I think they were a bit rushed to make sure they wouldn't be able to develop sentience.

This is a common misuse or misconception. The inhabitants of the Great Spirit were always intended to be sentient, just not fully sapient. The way the Great Beings planned it, they were supposed to be like robots, but with some of the advantages of life. However, they made their creations better than they realized (as far as we can tell) and so the intended workers became bio-mechanical equivalents of the Spherus Magnus inhabitants.

Definitely the Olmak. Even if I was too cowardly or uncertain to travel outside my own dimension I could still travel just about anywhere in my own.

I'm not a man of favorites, but I think the Olmak is cerainly a standout mask. The original twelve Kanohi are hard to beat, of course, but I think that the Mask of Dimensional Gates, as well as the Ignika and the Tryna, may actually succeed in doing so.