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I'm surprised 1 got so many votes, I thought that one was a joke. I like 5 and 7.

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Look what I just won. $15 Tarakava. With box and instructions, I think this is the best deal I have gotten on Ebay ever.

 

And a little bonus:

 

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Oh yeah, and all you Americans out there, shipping is like a potato for you. It is way cheaper for Canadian me.

 

Kind of happy right now.

I was looking at buying the Tarakava, but I'm in the UK and postage would have been too much.

The same guy was selling a set of McToran.

I think I might be a bit younger than some of the people here, seeing as my first set was an Axonn in 2006. I would have been 7.

Anyway, I got into Bionicles quickly, and I inherited a cousin's collection who is some years older than me, consisting of the 2001-2003 line, so he had the Makuta and Exo Toa. At the time the Inika and Mahri would have been out, but I was entranced with the Mata Nui and Metru Nui series, so I went and bought all of those old sets, and the films. By the time I'd caught up with the current storyline, Bionicle was pretty much ending, so I might have caught on a little late.

Axonn was a pretty cool set though, I would still like to get a Brutaka to go with him.

I don't mind Makuta having a real name, I can understand how he could have a real name but be known as just "Makuta".

Vote Saxon hit the nail on the head.

I don't like the name "Teridax" much either, due to the graphology of the word. It looks sharper, more cutting, than "Makuta", which looks more brute and somewhat rounded.

I also agree with the tribal connotations. Makuta does sound more tribal than Teridax, just like the entire 2001-2003 storyline was.

Teridax isn't overwhelmingly bad though, I can deal with it.

Gays do have a particular speech pattern, and this often consists of their pitch aswell. There is an entire field called Lavendar Linguistics, which deals with research into it.

I was wrong to say Takanuva sounded gay just because of his pitch, the tone in his voice sounded gay to me. He was flamboyant. The pitch is probably less important than his general speech.

I have no problem or intolerance with gays at all, I'm trying to explain why I made the connection with Takanuva in the film, and I simply said this damaged my ability to connect with the film, because he was different in the film to how I had imagined him based on the rest of the Bionicle media.

 

 

I get that now based on how other people have explained it, or atleast a bit more, but I still think it's unneccessary. Regardless of how early Greg planned the GSU, I would have preferred Mata Nui be a completely natural island in a natural world... that would have been so cool. The Red Star itself though seems like a cheat out of characters dying as they would in real life.. I know the story behind it, of it not working and stuff.

So, then explain to us how else you sustain a biomechanical species of lifeforms that have no reproductive capabilities and without having to add any resources?

Recycling sounds like the best option any day.

They didn't have to be inert, Greg could have made it so they could reproduce. They don't need extra resources if they can live off the land.

I know the matoran are workers inside Mata Nui's body which are replenished when they die, I understand how it works, I just think Bionicle could have still been interesting based on biological beings on a natural island. As I understood it, matoran were biological at creation, most simply chose to have mechanical parts added. I might be mistaking them for Agori, however.

I would have preferred the tribal beings with mechanical implants storyline to the massive robot machine in space storyline, but we all like Bionicle as a whole, so everyone wins.

Has anyone heard Gus G's new solo album, I am the Fire?

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I was just listening to Hypocrisy's "A Taste of Extreme Divinity", I never heard them before, but I tend to zone out of death metal. I can listen to it, but I'm afraid it often sounds all the same to me; I'm more into Power and Thrash. I'm a bit of a Meshuggah fan though.

I'm not really into that type of music, I'd have to say 2.5/5.

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Wow, I've been here for about 2 days, and I've gotten band-waggoned against because I said I find it difficult to connect with a gay in a film.

This is a forum so supposedly uptight and family friendly that we can't even swear, but I'm seeing flaming everywhere. Not a good start.

I haven't got time to respond to everyone's complaints, so I will justify everything I said chronologically.

Mata Nui being destroyed during the great spirit robot fight on Spherus Magnus was terrible, after ten years of storyline aswell, it's a bit like watching a whole film only for the character to wake up and it "all was just a dream", The End. Mata Nui was my favorite storyline arc, as I believe it was for most people, and destroying it was downright offensive. In fact, I refuse to accept it as canon.

The above quote is one of two misinformed suggestions I made. I was under the impression that Mata Nui had been destroyed during the robot fight finale, not on Aqua Magna earlier. I thought Mata Nui was inside the great spirit robot's head. I was talking about the Mata Nui island, I thought it was destroyed in the spirit robot fight. I don't care about the GSR robot itself.

 

The Bohrok Kal were defeated badly I think, it seemed cheesy and.... Disney. It all built up to that point, then the Toa just focus their energy? How about no.

How difficult is that to understand? If you liked it fine, but you must see where I'm coming from. It's very cheesy because the Toa focused on "unity", it's just magic, it isn't properly explained, it's a childlike and very basic teamwork morale.

 

Infact, everything after Mata Nui. I love Bionicle as it is, but it could have been much better if they had stuck to Mata Nui for longer...

Nobody complained about that.

 

Stars Tahu was appauling. It didn't match the old Tahu models, and his jaw stuck out of the bottom of his mask, making him look goofy.

Nor did anyone complain about that.

All the different Makuta, over one hundred of them, what? ONE Makuta took several Toa teams and several story arcs to defeat, but the other 99 are defeated by a few Toa in the space between Voya Nui and Spherus Magnus? How can 99 Makuta be so much weaker than Teridax?

So the Makuta killed themselves / Teridax arranged it. Fair dues. That was my second misunderstanding.

 

Bionicle: The Legend Reborn was horrible too. It didn't follow the same design as the first three films, the sounds were cheesy, it was cheesy in it's physics and alleged humour, and they all had Americanised voices. The film and story was too quick, and it barely made sense, despite how simple it was in essence.

Nor did anyone disagree with me there.

The whole ending of Bionicle was ridiculously quick for such an epic storyline.

Nobody complained about me saying that.

The idea of all the different islands being housed inside a robot was pretty bad. It doesn't make sense according to the laws of physics, and it also means the planet the robot stands on must be absolutely massive.

This legit bothered me. If you lot are so attached to your nostalgia you want to find ways to justify it then that's fine, but this is an obvious weak point in the story. If the robot is as tall as earth, Spherus Magnus must be ridiculously big.

Takanuva's voice in The Mask of Light also bothered me, it was too high, and while I don't mean to hate on gay people, it made it much harder for me to connect with the character.

Why did everyone freak out over this one? I'm not scared of saying anything, and people who don't say certain things due to being afraid of surprising other people are lying to themselves, and that is a weakness in oneself created by conformity, which is a destructive cycle because it creates the impression that certain subjects are a taboo to talk about, which is silly. We can talk about this maturely. I have a high voice too, and I am dead scared of it, so the masculinity flame was pretty close, actually. Takanuva is supposed to be a Hero, and for the purposes of the film, his high voice distracted me and ruined it. It made him sound gay is what I said, though perhaps a little more subtly. Don't try and tell me gays with high voices is a stereotype, I know gays in real life, and this is true of them. Gays often have high voices, so I made the link with Takanuva and gays, which ruined the film for me. I don't dislike gays, I am not cruel to them, I have no problem with them doing whatever they want, but when they're rights infringe on mine, that is an atrocity. Because Takanuva sounded gay, I couldn't connect with him easily, feel empathy for him, etcetera. You could extend that to saying I couldn't feel empathy for gays if you're really intent on making me out as a Homophobic. That may be true, but regardless of whether I feel empathy for someone, I still have to be nice to them, like you might be with your boss. It's not my fault if I don't feel empathy with them, we are not the same. We are similar, yes. I am not hating on gays, I am saying I could not connect with a gay character in a film, or a character perceived as gay. Telling me Bionicles don't have sexual interests doesn't change anything, the Bionicles in the film are voices by real people for cinematic purposes, and that means we will pick up on their tone of voice. Takanuva sounded gay to me. That is how I perceived him, and it reduced my capability to put myself in his shoes. This is nothing to do with Homophobia. I can deal with gays, more than most people do, I've been in a couple fights defending them because it affects me when I see other people ganging on them. I'm just saying I don't want to watch films with gay people in them because it means I can't understand the character anymore. That is my right, and noone should have a problem with it. Maybe you all misunderstood me, but now I've explained myself fully, I hope you don't have any more problems with the various factors that stop me from enjoying a film.

 

The Red Star seems silly to me, if someone is dead, they're dead, also it never seemed properly explained to me. The fact that Toa such as Nikila were supposedly "revived on the red star never to come back" seems disrespectful to me, just a cop out of saying they're actually dead. I mean, what sort of existence is it, shooting lightning bolts every now and then? I don't understrand the red star at all, it can't literally be a star, because if the Toa Nuva teleported there once, they couldn't teleport into the middle of a blazing ball of gases. So is it mechanical, like a death star? They never expained it properly, and for that, I think the Red Star was rubbish.

I get that now based on how other people have explained it, or atleast a bit more, but I still think it's unneccessary. Regardless of how early Greg planned the GSU, I would have preferred Mata Nui be a completely natural island in a natural world... that would have been so cool. The Red Star itself though seems like a cheat out of characters dying as they would in real life.. I know the story behind it, of it not working and stuff.

 

On topic, other people have mentioned "The Legend of Mata Nui". Is the beta available for download anywhere, as I hear it was distributed in the Toa Mata canisters in limited amounts?

That's a shame to hear.

 

I have no qualms with the first three movies though, I liked them, and the online animations, and the MNOG were LEGENDARY.

Nobody quoted me on that.

That's everything. Sorry if I sounded blunt and rude, but you just ticked me off pretty badly. I hope you don't genuinely have any problems with me, I have better places to spend my time, and I won't spend it at a forum where everyone else is busy flaming me for something I didn't actually say.

Infact, just to make sure, I'm going to quote everyone.

Uh... what does the pitch of someone's voice have to do with whether they're gay or not? This is a confusing sort of point to bring up.

Has everything. High pitches sound gay. Takanuva sounded gay. Gays often have high pitched voices, which is why Takanuva sounded gay; high pitched voice. This is a simple observation.

Confusing and homophobic. As a general rule, if you have to preface a statement with "I don't mean to hate on [group], but...", it would probably be wiser to just keep your trap shut.

If you are still confused, feel free to read my full post. Perhaps I worded it wrong be saying anything about hating on gays, I was trying to avoid a difficult topic before you guys plunged in head first. I was talking about gays, I said I didn't like a gay voice being in a film, and I don't believe that is hate. If you do believe that is hate, then I'm sorry, but I think you might need to grow a tougher skin. Nor am I homophobic. I'm amiable to gay people, more so than most, and I've already said that I've defended them before. Not wanting to hear their voice 24/7 is not a phobia.

@Artakha's nephew

Maybe I'm paranoid, but I can't help but feel you are having a dig at me there.

Here are yours:

Honestly, you seem to be misinformed about a lot of things, though your homophobic comment was the worst of the bunch.

I am misinformed about a lot, I think I understand more now, about the location of Mata Nui island, the Makuta, etceterta. That can't be helped with a 10 year storyline.

I refuse to accept any negligence on the part of my "homophobic" comment. You can read what I said to everyone else if the following doesn't satisfy you: I don't like their voices, and I don't want it in a film. I don't have any other problem with gays, and I am very amiable to them, just like I would be anyone else.

*Destroying the Mata Nui arc? Are you referring to the island itself or the robot? If you meant the island, then it absolutely had to be destroyed for the great spirit robot to wake up, because it was on top of its face. That was the point of the entire eight year story. If you meant the robot, it was possessed by Teridax at the time; what would you have preferred?

You are probably the only person who realised I was talking about the island. I thought it was inside the GSU's head like Metru Nui. Silly me. I would have preferred Mata Nui be the entirety of Bionicle and screw the entire GSU plot, but we can't have that, so the current storyline is good enough.

I really do not see how you can compair an ending of Disney with the defeat of th Kal.

The Bohrok are very alien in nature and anatomy compaired to anything else from Spherus or the MU, so they had to be defeated in a very differant way.

I thought that the whole "powerless Toa that are supposed to be more powerful than a regular Toa reduced to helplessly bystand while doom works its hand" scenario pretty enticing.

The way the Bohrok were defeated was like magic, the message seems to have been "teamwork".

It reminds me of the old pokemon film where Ash dies and all the pokemon cry and bring him back. It's that cheesy.

 

Bah, I think he's just so insecure about his own masculinity (though probably not his sexuality) that if someone's voice isn't "manly" enough, he can't see them being straight... now we're getting into a different topic altogether, but in any case, it is a pretty dumb thing to say.

It's dumb that I don't like high pitched, gay voices? Why, going by your logic, you are discriminating against those of a lower intellect by suggesting that my opinion which you found negative was comparable to "dumb". Also, that was blatant flaming.

That should do.

Please, don't do that to me again. I won't stay. So much effort.

Like I said, apologies if I sounded cranky, some of those messages ticked me off for being ten times more ignorant than anything I've ever done or said. Thanks for the information on the Brotherhood of Makuta, and the Red Star anyway.

1- It's cheesy

2- Bad/no/young storyline

3- Aimed at a younger audience

4- Ridiculous Names

5 -Super cheesy builds with exaggerated features

6- Basic builds on a skeleton

7 - It's not Bionicle

8 - It make's no sense. To this day, I am unaware of who these robots are protecting.

9 - Increased flexibility makes them harder to pose well.

I never liked HF like I did Bionicle, nor did I hate on it when it came out, because some of the first series was alright; I liked the designs of Duncan Bulk and Stringer of the first series. The build just wasn't very good, nor the story, and they were ridiculously simplified.

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It was fun making this, good luck to everyone.

I might remake the avatar yet.

I'm really digging the entries so far!

 

dragon, there's actually about a day left to enter: I should have clarified that the entry period will end at 11:59ish Eastern tomorrow night (the 28th).

I didn't realise that. I'll come up with something.

I have experience with graphics, but I only just found this and there is only 43 minutes left of the contest anyway!

Expect to see an entry from me next time there is a graphics comp.

I have a feeling that, for people able to create AI's that can develop from the whatever partial sentience level is needed for general maintenance to full-on sapience, it wouldn't be that difficult for the GB's to give the MU inhabitants the ability to speak like the Agori. Note, the GB's spoke this "programming language" and gave things names in it (Mata Nui, for instance). In that sense, it seems like it isn't like programming languages we use (Java, C++, etc.), but rather more like spoken languages. The "programming" part of "programming language of the MU" I would think more refers to it being the language in which the source code was crafted (instead of using the Agori words and sybols to write "/getSource" or something like that, they used this other language and it's symbols). I could be wrong, there, but either way I don't see why it would be so very alien.

 

It seems to be a popular idea to say that "it's going to be different, it's a whole other universe," but that's discarding the fact that the ideas thus far have been heavily drawn from -this- universe and particularly from cultures with languages we are highly familiar with. As cool as Bionicle being super-different sounds, we can't forget that it is grounded in the Real World experience too. =/

I don't think that Matoran's having an AI means they literally would have to speak in programming speak. They could be programmed to invent their own languages, like we are in a way. I like the chattering and squeaking quotes, but them speaking English also works for me.

Well, I'm doing art GCSE at the moment, and looking around at other people's pieces has inspired me to do a few Bionicles of my own.

My first piece is Matoran Nuparu before the rebuild. Please let me know if you like it, I'm pleased with it, but if I get the silent treatment I might freak out a little. I might make a piraka next, I reckon it would look good in this style. Most my digital art is in this freaky, blotty style. It starts off in pencil, I get a sketch done over about an hour, than I import it into photoshop, texture it, colour it, sort out the lighting, and figure some sort of background.

My art style when I photoshop it like this tends to be reminiscent of post-apocalyptic I think, so a Piraka could look kinda cool.

There are cool, Gali/ Kardas are my favorite, did you use photoshop?

That quote does not seem to speak to how "Mata Nui" landed -- but it's unclear who you mean there. The prototype robot that Mata Nui was actually controlling did fall face down, but was also disintegrating at the time; nothing is now left of it. The main Great Spirit Robot, controlled by Makuta, fell on its side according to the comic image. This came up in a recent topic on here somewhere. If you meant to be asking him if a scenario like what I imagined in one of my fanfics where the people of reformed Spherus Magna recreate the island of Mata Nui, your question was a bit too unclear for him to catch that. (It's been suggested before that the parts of the camouflage system could be taken out of the face, since the robot is being dismantled now, and taken to the Great Sea. Or, the robot could be flipped onto its back and the island made on a plateau above it. There's definitely no need to go to the extreme of undoing the awesome giant robot battle just to get the camo island back, if the inhabitants want to re-create it.)

 

Also, please note that Greg has retconned many things; he's saying it would be wrong (and he's right) to retcon such a major part of plot -- especially the grand finale! And please know that the destruction of Mata Nui (if you mean the island?) was not "heartbreaking" to the vast majority of people but rather a thrilling twist most people seemed to love. Besides, it had been built up to since 2002; it wasn't even that surprising, just what was coming out from under it was the thrill. (Nor was the destruction of the back of the head of the robot heartbreaking if that's what you meant, though if that's how you took it, it is what it is, but that's definitely not how you were supposed to approach the story.)

It looks like I might have been unclear like you say, seeing as Mata Nui essentially swapped bodies, but yes, I was talking about the Great Spirit Robot containing Mata Nui in it's face. I'm not sure I saw the destruction of Mata Nui as a thrilling twist, nor the actual robot fight as awesome in comparision to the rest of the Bionicle epic, but we all love Bionicle as a whole and that is why we are here, regardless of what parts we don't like.

My misconception was that I thought Mata Nui had been destroyed when Mata Nui in the prototype robot fought Makuta in the Great Spirit Robot, and that Mata Nui was destroyed when the MU fell face down (sideways tilting down), I thought that Mata Nui was inside the Great Spirit Robot's head.

I didn't know it was formed on Aqua Magna, and only destroyed when Makuta in the MU's body sat up. Oops. Thanks for making me realise that, I feel silly now.

I'd like to read your fanfic you mentioned though, do you have a link please?

I see this is quite an old thread, did the piece ever get commisioned?

I seem to remember that Bionicle did have quite a bit of pop-culture/real-world references in it. I can't think of any specific examples, though. This was one contributing factor to the "comatose" theory that sprung up on the forums a few months ago, though.

What about Nuparu saying "I'm an engineer, not a poet."?

I got a nice answer from Greg today, perhaps it wasn't quite what I was hoping for, but interesting nevertheless. He says he feels retcon is a cheat, i don't know if has mentioned that before. He also suggests that if Bionicle was rebooted that the new series should be nowhere near where it ended, much like most people's predictions, also he is quite certain on Mata Nui landing face down.

 

dragonzrmetal wrote:

Hi Greg

 

It's great to be able to speak with you, Bionicle was something very special to have lasted all this time, I understand you also are working on newer projects, but I'm afraid I'm here because of your work on Bionicle.

 

Like a lot of people, I am holding my breath on a continuation or sequel of Bionicle at some point in the future, but the major problem seems to be how the end was handled, aswell as making it difficult to continue the story with Makuta Teridax dead, the destruction of Mata Nui was heart breaking for us who grew up on the Mata Nui storyline.

 

If you were to be working on a Bionicle reboot or continuation, would you consider changing/ uncanonizing the final fights with the great spirit robot and where the Matoran Universe fell face down, to allow you to continue working with Teridax, and to preserve Mata Nui from destruction? Since Mata Nui was where Bionicle started of course, could it be a viable platform on which to base a reboot?

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I would say a qualified no. If we were going to pick up BIONICLE from where we left off, or somewhere near where we left off, I would not retcon out the way the story ended. I feel that's a cheat to do. At the same time, if we were bringing BIONICLE back, I would NOT recommend picking up from where we left off or from near where we left off, because it would put too much of a burden on new fans to catch up on story. (Think about it - an 8 year old today was 4 when BIONICLE ended, and likely has no idea what it is or anything about it.)

Now you've done that, everyone else with one I suppose knows their's would be at risk if they let the batteries leak. That's good.

Perhaps you could rewire it with some rechargable batteries, perhaps a 6V flat battery pack of the same voltage and ampage from component shop, such as this one

http://www.componentshop.co.uk/6-0v-3300mah-sc-nimh-battery-pack-5-x-1.html

crimp on some tamiya connectors, run the rechargable flat battery pack round the outside of the box back into the circuit again so the tamiyas can be accessed, then you could recharge the battery repeatedly without having to dismantle the box and risk damaging it more?

You'd have to make sure the battery pack has the same ampage as the batteries, I can't be bothered to figure out the ampage of the AAs right now. xD

I have few problems with cracking in the UK, occasionally the black socket pieces need replacing. I suppose it must be climate, because I have a mixture of Bionicles from the storyline. The only cracked piece I think I have is the end of Tahu Star's sword!

One word: Boxor

I've been a bionicle fan since a young child, and I've been building up my collection, specifically around Mata Nui, recently, and I have most the Mata Nui collection now, excluding the collectibles. I lost out on a Power Pack on ebay recently, it sold for something like £30 which I was happy to let someone else have it for. Regardless, I'm still bidding on some turaga and a Muaka and Kane-Ra.

Anyway,

I'm after a set of the McDonalds Tohunga, I'm not bothered about packaging and instructions although it would be nice, but they have to be complete with the discs. I'm aware of the Latvian guy selling them on ebay, but surely I can get them cheaper? I see there is a set in Canada for $10, I just don't want to bother with import charges. An extra Jala would also be nice, so I can put together a pre-build Takua.

I'm also after the DC comics, all of them actually, but if anyone has just the Mata Nui ones, that's 1-27, that's good too.

If I arrange anything with anyone here, I'd like to do the transaction on ebay, I hope that doesn't bother anyone. If anyone can point me in the right direction for the McToran or comics, or has an offer, then.. please do!

The odd parts are pretty worthless to a collector unless you are involved in mocing, but Dume, Ussanui and the McToran are the best ones there I see. The vahki/bohrok/hordika/rahkshi are all pretty common.

Ok deal I think.

Waiting another ten years or so for the new Bionicle would give LEGO breathing space to make absolutely sure only hardcore fans remember the old series.

I have next to no doubt it will come back when Lego starts getting desperate for money again, it's a no brainer.

I'd like to see new releases, based on Mata Nui's storyline, but with new matoran, new builds, new rahi, etcetera.