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Actually I think MOCs sometimes look better without weapons.

Btw, can the wings attach to his back? Like a jet pack, ala Vakama?

Not according to the instructions, though I'm sure you could figure out how to do something like that. The intended use is to take his axe heads and connect them to his forearms, as in the above picture. It basically turns his arms into wings, like an airplane kinda thing. And as you can see from the pieces there's turbines in them, which wouldn't really work like a jet pack. And also seeing how Lewa controls air (yes I know he's the Master of Jungle now but he can actually still control air in addition to plants, a fact which a lot of people seem to overlook), he doesn't really need a jetpack. I more picture him syphoning air through the turbines with his powers, which is pretty cool when ya think about it

 

 

Also, I'm curious, do you own any of the new sets?

Intresting... I am not a chemist (or a musician) so I was unaware of this. I am more into biology.

 

But anyway, I have to admit, Onuas purple does look nice. But I find Lewas greens to be too "watered down". I think a darker sage green (aka Matau green) would have looked better, considering he's jungle now.

 

I think it's possible we could see characters in that color down the road, but you should also take into account how brightly colored the other Toa are. If Lewa were a darker color he would seem a little out of place and less of a part of the team. I also like the green LEGO chose for him, but that's completely my own opinion.

 

Trust me, CCBS does not break. That's exactly one of the reasons why some people, including me, like it more than the original Bionicle pieces. So don't worry about those snapping apart or whatever. LEGO knows what they're doing now. Don't really know what happened 2008-2010, but they fixed it.

 

 

They may have changed the plastic, I'm not sure, but just by looking at the pieces you can tell the sockets of CCBS limbs compared to G1 parts are much thicker. I believe it was just a design flaw; the sockets were just too thin.

 

ok, but my pile of busted windows and windshields begs to differ.

 

Never had a problem with them, and have never heard of them breaking before Looking at the design I can't see how they could break, and there's a reason they haven't. Do you own/ have you tried any of the new sets yet?

Something garbage.

 

I would like everyone here to start conducting themselves better moving forward. You can be passionate about your stance on the construction of Bionicle 2015 without insulting one another, okay?

 

Thank you,

 

Makaru

 

I believe DW has stopped and he has apologized. It should be alright from here.

Weapons are a big part of conveying a Toa's personality and fighting style. Or to put it like the designers at the BIONICLE panel at New York Comic-Con, "A Toa without weapons... is not a Toa". Then again, that's part of why I've never really been able to create a Toa self-MOC I'm happy with, since I have a hard time thinking of a weapon I'd be comfortable with. I'm generally not a very aggressive person.

 

 

Ever thought of giving him a shield? It would give the idea of defense instead of offense, and could definitely be used for a weapon if need be. Seems to work for Captain America.

^^Looks cool so far!

But don't forget, F, that the gearboxes are not integrated into the builds, leaving exposed balls on the toas shoulders. Perhaps if lego had opted for a new torso instead of a hero factory one, we could have seen some impressive gear work.

I don't see how a couple exposed ball joints changes the "work" of the gears at all. Sure it may not look as perfect but the gears still function the same exact way. Also Ive found its fairly simple to fix this problem. Just connect a couple of black fists to the ball joints and tuck them in and it looks fine, IMO. Do you mind me asking if you have any of the new sets? And if so which ones?

I believe the "rarest" mask is the platinum Avohkii.

Thanks.

 

 

After years of being ignored (at school), I finally "got my voice" (here on the web) and guess I abused my power, I'm sorry if I got out of control.

 

I totally understand. It's nice to see you realizing your mistake. No hard feelings.

A more seriously toned Gen2 style creation. Makin a Toa of Iron (I never knew they were so awesome before I started this project) with a Gen2 build but also with semi-custom limbs (Technic FTW!) and other details. Have plans of getting a Modalt paint job done on the mask and chestplate for more uniqueness. Should turn out nice I've just been taking a long time on it.

Well, I'm currently working on my Guardians of the Elements for upcoming stop motion I'm doing, just got done with the Guardian of Stone a few moments ago, already got Water, Air, and Ice/Light (self-MOC) done. Going pretty well so far!

 

Is that what your picture is of? The Guardian of Ice I'd assume?

-Durablity (darn those post 2005 pieces!)

-Variety, mostly of bone/shell sizes (shapes are a tad limited).

-New BIONICLE piston piece

-Ease of building. No need to get frustrated with it, its simple and fun to create a boatload of different stuff.

-Technic compatibilty. Gen1 had this too but I find CCBS + Technic works wonders

-Smoother, more similar textures. Gen1's excessive pistons were mad easy to get messy looking

-Aesthetic. This is a personal opinion but I really like how it looks.

-Fun. Its just a really enjoyable system!

Sorry, I get a little defensives sometimes.

 

This is what I like to see. Some people refuse to notice their own mistakes. Taking responsibility and apologizing is a respectable thing to do.

Never would I have thought this would turn into an argument like this...

 

Though they are slightly exaggerated on the new Toa, I think the chests are fine. And on a man, a large, blocky, chest makes them look strong. That's what pectorals look like. If you think human anatomy looks weird, that's your own problem.

OP here. When was this ever a thread about Gen2's story??

 

This was supposed to be about a building system, and basically the sets of 2015, not the story...

 

Anywho, I myself am not impressed by the story so far, but its way too early to judge it (I await the books). Also, the animations haven't really been very "childish" at all. The characters seem to be pretty normal to me. The Toa seem pretty tough, especially their voices (e.g. Pohatu).

I was never a fan of the original BIONICLE movies. The humor was pretty bland and the animation was...strange (The Legend Reborn was much better in that regard). One of the things I hated the most was how just because Matoran are small, they have to have kid voices. Why? They're supposed to be normal people, who are 100s of years old. Just cuz there small doesn't make them children! But that didn't keep me from being a huge fan of the comics.

 

Okay, back to the topic of the thread now.

Do you remember the fun for building the old bionicles? They looked better and had more possibilities for MOCs! Now, you assemble a skeleton and put a shell on it.

 

 

You are making claims with no reason or proof to back them up. Also, I would like to point out, the new wave of BIONICLE uses a lot of technic parts, making the build a lot more interesting and complex. Also, they are actually lot more complex than Gen1 Toa sets. Just go buy one and compare it to a Toa Inika, and you'll see what I mean.

A few posts back, I stated that I was going to give an example of how the two systems can work together with a recent MOC I made.

You can find the MOC here.

I find the construction I used for this to be done a lot better than any old Inika torso. The torso on this MOC is built using the larger-sized CCBS torso frame, and the add-ons I built into it minimize if not get rid of a majority of the gaps one would find in a standard Inika build.

 

 

Those shoulder pads work really well with that torso!

I don't mean to insult anyone, and I just want to ask this question: Why do you want to keep the containers? I mean, once you build the sets, why would you need the boxes anymore? It really seems like a waste of space to me. If anyone who does this could explain to me, I'd appreciate it greatly.

 

They're puuurdy. Idk, OCD kinda thing I guess

 

Also they're nice to include if you ever plan on selling the sets. People tend to like original canisters/boxes.

 

 

Huge, clunky, monopiece torsos.

 

This isn't?

 

http://brickset.com/parts/design-53545

 

I mean, you need another piece for the waist and a couple pins, but its very specialized, and quite clunky.

 

Why does everyone assume a critique of the new system is done in favor of the old system? Yes, I hated the Inika build, too. I also hated the Kardatoran build. Specialized, monopiece torsos are not my thing. Don't assume you know my argument because you assume any criticism of this system is based in nostalgia as opposed to, you know, well thought-out opinions.

 

It's also incredibly limited in its use in creatures; any creature with one of those torsos for its body will have wider shoulders than hips, which isn't actually incredibly common in the animal kingdom.

 

It's a piece designed to appeal to one half of the Character and Creature combo and that's what annoys me. Most creatures built with that torso almost always look simian rather than truly animalistic.

 

 

Sorry about that. I did assume. My bad. I see you're point.

 

I guess it's mostly personal preference. Custom torso's for CCBS are possible with Technic axles and what-not, your probably never gonna find them in production models though. As for creatures using that torso, it worked well for me, since the dog creature I made I wanted to be muscular. The wide shoulders help with that while still retaining a dog-like shape, kind of like a pit-bull. Lots of four-legged animals have slightly wider shoulders than rear legs, but I can see how this piece can be exaggerated, so it wouldn't work on slimmer models.

 

Here's a good example of a custom torso with CCBS and Technic:

 

http://loganmcowen.tumblr.com/post/116714587970/heres-my-pre-revamp-of-skull-gridner-been

 

I'm just showing it's possible, though I can definitely see your point. In my opinion CCBS isn't all that great on its own, but when mixed with Technic it can be really good. That's what I like about BIONICLE 2015 as opposed to Hero Factory, how they've integrated a lot more Technic into the builds. I haven't really ever used any G1 with it though since the textures are so different, but CCBS along with Technic and sometimes a bit of system can work very well.

Huge, clunky, monopiece torsos.

 

This isn't?

 

http://brickset.com/parts/design-53545

 

I mean, you need another piece for the waist and a couple pins, but its very specialized, and quite clunky.

 

Also, this piece:

 

http://brickset.com/parts/4589953

 

is quite versatile. Sure, you're not gonna be using it for limbs or what-not, but it's the same deal with a Mata or Metru torso (which are much less versatile). It's basically limited only to torsos (an Inika upper torso is as well), but that's not a bad thing. This piece has quite a few Technic holes to attach lots of different bits. Also, adding a gearbox to it adds a lot more function and interesting Technic building. It's very general but that means it can be used with other things. It can also be used for creatures (most parts can, hence the first C in CCBS), as I've done here:

 

 

And as for colors, I do really hope they come out with more. That'd be very nice. I think it's reasonable to expect more darker earth tones. Hero Factory was more playful than Bionicle and therefore had brighter colors. This first wave of Bionicle's colors are bright as well, but it's only the first wave. The first wave of G1 was bright as well. I think in the future we should see more colors.

 

Even the newer types of feet are woefully unavailable in many colours.

 

???

 

http://brickset.com/parts/design-90661

I think the Protectors kinda took the place of the Turaga and Matoran. Wildlife would be cool, but doesn't sound very practical. I would love to see masks in new colors though, and also more new designs!

I actually really like the boxes. They're big enough that they can give a clear picture of the character and sufficient information on the back. Since they are bigger sets now they require bags to hold the parts, and having bags in a canister would be kinda weird. Idk, just would be . Canisters aren't very useful to me either. I don't store the sets in them so I don't really need them; they just take up space. I do still keep the cardboard boxes though, cuz I'm like that...also cardboard is more eco-friendly. I'm not a huge "green advocate" or whatever but it is nice to care for the planet. Canisters would be pretty nostalgic though!   I guess I don't care too much, though I highly doubt Lego will return to using canisters.

 

Edit: Oh yeah I also like the shape of them like Rahkshi said ^^

 - Colours: the black and grey bones make the colour scheme of most sets too messy, whereas it has usually done better in G1 (e.g. toa Metru and Mata)

 - Colours: Also, there are too many trans and metallic pieces but not enough basic coloured shells and bones.

 - Colours: It's harder to get a more balanced colour scheme because of the single piece feet and the body-frame.

 - The shells on the bones look quite gappy from from any angle that isn't head-on

 - Connection types: CCBS has ball-and-socket joints, technic pins and axles (which I consider to be one connection type), more ball-and-socket joints to connect armour, and also System bars. G1 only had ball-and-socket joints for connecting limbs, and technic pins/axles. The main issue with CCBS connections is the ball-and-socket joints for armour, where you can only rotate the shell on the balljoint unless you want to use System bars to move the shell up/down. Also, when creating custom limbs the balljoints are not squared off so the shell will rotate 360 degress rather than being locked into place.

 

While I prefer the more technic-orientated building system of G1, CCBS pieces, especially the limbs, can be very useful and the smooth textures are a refreshing break from the highly detailed (and therefore hard to clean) and easily damaged soft-plastic pieces from G1.  

 

" - Colours: the black and grey bones make the colour scheme of most sets too messy, whereas it has usually done better in G1 (e.g. toa Metru and Mata)"

 

I'm not sure what you mean here. In my opinion the color scheme's we are seeing in these new sets are amazing. Take Tahu for example. He has very nice bright red base, gold layered on top which gives him a very "warm" look to him (which is perfect for a Toa of fire) and then some trans-orange for some actual looking fire. His silver hands and feet match (as well as his lava-board/sword and head) and help to cool it down a tad; his blue eyes help with that too. That's one base color (red), one layered secondary color (gold), one accent color (trans-orange), and a slight detail color (silver), excluding bones of course (which are primarily black, which is very neutral).

 

As for the bones, in Tahu for example, his upper arms are gray while the rest is black. Also the friction/extender add-ons on his legs are gray as well as the gearbox. His upper arms being gray help balance that out since those other two pieces only come in gray (though I believe we will be seeing the extenders in black in the August skeletal wave). Black is a very neutral color, and in my opinion the shells help cover it up enough to still have a complete color scheme. We also have seen some translucent colored bones as well, which is very nice, especially on Kopaka and Gali.

 

"- Colours: Also, there are too many trans and metallic pieces but not enough basic coloured shells and bones."

 

I wouldn't say "too many", since those colors can be very useful, but I do agree I would like to see more colors (primarily earth/darker tones, like more burgundy, dark green, metru blue (pleeaaaaase Lego pleaase!), etc.).

 

"- Colours: It's harder to get a more balanced colour scheme because of the single piece feet and the body-frame."

 

I haven't seen any problems with the color schemes of 2015's sets personally. As far as MOCing goes, you can always use Gen1 feet if you want to since they are completely compatible, or you can attach on of these pieces to the standard hero feet, which come in a variety of colors:

 

http://brickset.com/parts/design-32523

 

As for bodies I don't know what you mean. The standard torso shells and chest plates are the no less complex than an Inika build. Also custom torsos are completely possible.

 

" - The shells on the bones look quite gappy from from any angle that isn't head-on"

 

I can agree with this, though I think Lego did a pretty good job trying to get back coverage on the new Toa as opposed to most Hero Factory sets. Also for custom limbs this isn't that much of a problem, if done right.

 

" - Connection types: CCBS has ball-and-socket joints, technic pins and axles (which I consider to be one connection type), more. . . "

 

I'm not sure what you mean here. There's plenty of ways to integrate Technic with CCBS (and vice versa, e.g. the Lord of Skull Spiders), and I haven't had any problems with spinning or loose armor with custom limbs. It could just be the way you're doing it.

 

 

 

Please understand this is not an argument I am just providing topics of discussion.

Preface: This topic is mainly aimed towards the haters/general dislikers of the Creature and Character Building System (CCBS, or "Hero Factory" parts), in reference to it's use in BIONICLE's 2015 return.

 

 

Basically, I would like to know what you don't like about CCBS. What do you think is wrong with it? Personally when I first learned of BIONICLE's return I was disappointed with the use of CCBS in the sets. I thought it was "simple" and "boring". I was basically one of the "haters". Thing is though, I had barely any experience with it--owning only two simple Hero Factory sets--and hadn't kept up with Hero Factory after BIONICLE's ending. The more I researched the new sets though, I actually really started to like the designs. When I finally got my hands on some of the new sets once they were released, I was able to experiment with CCBS and actually really liked it. Nowadays I find myself generally limiting myself to building only with CCBS because of how much I like it, including some Technic as well of course. In my opinion, it's truly a remarkable building system and works very well as a system for creating playable, pose-able action figures.

 

My question to you is: why don't you like it? Have you given it a chance, or are you making assumptions, like I did?

 

I would like to keep this a clean discussion, not a rant. I am very interested in what your thoughts are.

Duuuuuuuuuude...

 

This is beautiful! It just flows so well. A lot of MOCs are just way to chunky or messy but this is just perfect. VERY accurate to the movie as well (except the colors obviously, but thats fine. I quite like the black actually). One of the best MOCs I've ever seen man. I would totally buy one of these if they were for sale--I want one so bad . Great job!

Maybe you could provide instructions?? I would seriously consider getting the parts off Bricklink for this to build my own haha

The Mata were allowed, just not recommended since they've "already been done" (in reference to the 2015 sets). This is pretty fantastic though!