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Ruthless Elegance: A Visual Guide To Cool

Posted by bonesiii , Feb 13 2007 · 402 views

Coolified Artwork


If you know me very well at all, you know I love the "Coolified" style of appearance in Bionicle sets. This style is in many people's eyes the opposite to the 2001 style, yet in my tastes at least it is the best Bionicle can be, and it seems like most fans share my preference in this, though it's certainly OK for others not to (to each hisher own). Because of the majority "Cool" preference, I think Bionicle is at its absolute best, stylewise, when it uses this style to the max in the sets. Both in terms of it's health as a franchise, and, luckily, for my own personal tastes too. happy.gif [To be clear, not saying other people can't see the word "Cool" differently; this is how I personally define it. smile.gif]

But what exactly is "Cool"? How can it be defined? I've been asked this before, and it's a little difficult to pin down. It's got variety. It isn't one exact "just so" style. And yet it has rules. It is something I know instantly when I see it, and something I'm dissapointed to miss when I don't see it. I know it is intense, but then some intensity isn't cool--some people who aren't into Cool even find it intimidating, even going too far (though down what road depends on the person). Some who aren't like me even see it as "ugly", because they have different tastes. It is often these people who are confused when I use words like "cool"--what does it mean, they have asked? Overall, the best way I know how to describe it is this:

Ruthless Elegance.


Cool does not hold back. Cool has well-aligned curves, spikes, spikes, serrations, scales, flares, knife-edges. Cool is made out of exploding gas, biological beings, stone, plastic. It's got texture, it's got form, it's got a pattern, it's got chaos. It's feathers and razor-teeth. Cool is elegant, not cheesy, but not "refined" per se or "classy" or any other terms. It isn't fragile, but it isn't industrially plain. It isn't afraid to be as elegant as it's possible to be. Yet it can contain elements of industrial plainness, or smoothness, or blockiness, even cheesiness! It is intensely powerful. It is also ruthless, because it knows that its intense style is not evil, though it can be scary--it knows it is neutral morally and can be equally expressed by both good and evil, and it is not afraid to express itself. It celebrates and exalts in its expression of elegance.

But these are all just words. I know what they mean only because I have the meanings behind the words in my head. A picture, they say, is worth a thousand vocalized sound waves, or in this case, digitized linguistic symbols. So I thought today I would present with you with a Visual Guide to Cool. This guide will feature a selection of the coolest images I know of, picked out of this Gallery. There are gobs of bonus images in the gallery you can browse as well when it is public.

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Barraki


Something some people don't seem to realize is that "Ruthless Elegance" isn't something invented by Bionicle or any other human being. Ruthless elegance can be found all over in nature. Probably the most obvious example of Bionicle similarities to real world "RE" is the Barraki. Carapice. Eel. Manta Ray. Each of the Barraki features their own unique sort of Cool that has a direct or indirect parallel in the world of nature, especially in undersea creatures. And these are rad cool creatures.

You've got Carapar:



Ehlek:



Mantax:



Kalmah:



Pridak:



And finally, Takadox:



Okay, so that's a color edit, lol. tongue.gif Actual image here.

Undersea


The Barraki represent a whole class of ubercool undersea creatures, but they only scratch the surface. There are Icefish and Lionfish and Sunfish and Starfish (Sea Urchins in that pic too).

The Range of Cool


Ruthless Elegance isn't just found underwater, though. In the animal realm it also includes things like Egrets:



It extends into space in a Solar Flare:



Humankind has harnessed the power of Cool to fly in the sky:



It exists in the plant world in a Dragon Tree:



And it once existed in actual "dragons"; Dinosaurs:






Extinct Animals


That was the head of a T-Rex--but the Tyrannosaur's feet were cool too. Another really cool dino was Styracosaurus:



And who doesn't love good old Sabertooth Tiger? Ancient predators even included giant girds, like the "Terror Bird" in this artistic interpretation.




Reptiles


There are a lot of "living dinosaurs" in terms of coolness even today, like the late Steve Irwin's favorites, Crocodiles. Isn't it Gorgeous? There are lizards with frills:



And turtles with spikes. There's even a miniature version of Styracky.


Mammals


My brother Ojilom's mascot, the Elephant, is, as it were, Ele[g]ant. Especially its skeleton. rtfm.gif

Have a look at the skeleton of a Whale. And just as there are mammals in the sea, there are mammals in the air. But we usually think of mammals as being on the land, like the Armadillo:



Or being furry, like the Emperor Tamarin.


Birds


Feathers instead of fur. There's the peacock of course, with its tailfeathers. And it comes in white:



There's everything from the Hornbill to the Turkey.



Bugs


In the insect and arachnid world there's the somewhat familiar Wolf Spider to the unfamiliar Scale. Nui-Rama have their equivalent in Dragonflies:



And Kraata have a rough equivalent in Snails.



Plants


To eat the bugs, there are Venus Flytraps, Sundews, and Pitcher Plants.

Other plants range from cool ground foliage to Oak trees; their leaves seen here. Flowers aren't all roses. And don't forget ferns:




Sun


Those ferns need light--how about a nice star for us all to orbit?



The sun can do a good imitation of a Zamor Sphere in certain types of photos. And personally I really like blue.



Nebula


Who knew. Carapar has his own giant cloud of gas--the Crab Nebula! Ooooh. Ahhhh. Explosions are the answer:



It's the BOOMarang Nebula! Look at the Shockwaves. And look--Nebulae even mimic nukes!



Manmade Cool


We of course have nukes, and other types of Explosions. We've put Ruthless Elegance into everything from Buildings and Boats to Buggies and Biplanes.


Bionicle


Of course humans have also put coolness into all manner of fiction as well. But that's not my goal for this blog entry--it's to show that all of the above has existed in the real world, for real reasons, and usually without our control. In Bionicle, we've had rocking cool Rahkshi, we've had Kanohi masks, we've had Visorak; the one I think is the coolest being Da Greenie.

Only recently though has Bionicle reeeeally gotten into Ruthless Elegance. The Piraka show this off like crazy. Take Thok, for example. The Toa Inika had this up the wazoo, with their rad Zamor multiclips, the Zamor launchers themselves, and their cool armor, feet, and masks. My favorite of the masks is the superior Sanok.

But Ruthless Elegance has really taken off this year with the Barraki, and if Toyfair is any indication, the rest of the sets too! Good old Carapar, my favorite. Ehlek, after he "charges up" from the lightstone in the Bionicle.com movie/vision, looks really cool. And Mantax--wow, have all the promo pics of him competely slapped him in the face, as it were. Mantax's head is awesome, but I have never seen an actual image of its full awesomness until the piece was shown in one of the Toyfair playsets. See here. I want Mantax now. wink.gif Of course each of the Barraki is also cool in a unique way, as we are all well aware. Even Pridak, my least favorite (due to the color scheme), has awesome tools, which I was excited to see in silver with Hydraxon.

But the Toa Mahri. Wow. I've got a few complaints, not least of which is the launcher, which in appearance, to me, is decidedly uncool (I hope it's a prototype...). But there's just sooo much else that roxorz my soxorz better than ever before, it is sheer awesomeness incarnate. Hewkii's new mask is just as rad cool, if not more so, as the Sanok. As is Kongu's.

And Hahli's mask. And! And. And. And. Hahli has... WINGS!!1!1!! biggrin.gif *spamming spree of joy* Yay! Hwoot! *Toa With Wings!* Huzzah! Hooray! *deleting spamming spree of joy* Yahoo! Google!

The wings are coolified, even. I like wings. Can ya tell? :-P

And the masks of the others are about as cool, as well as most of the tools (though I would like a bit more armor... shrugs.gif). And the titans have so much coolness, just like Axonn, Fenrakkvezon, and Brutaka did last year.

You knew this was coming: Wowser Bowser Good Gads Gadunka. What a rad cool Piraka foot!

And the face is cool too. tongue.gif

All in all, Bionicle is delving into Cool more, and more betterly, than they ever have before. Personally I am very excited about this. Beyond that, though, I strongly suspect that most typical fans are too, and so I would not be surprised to see Bionicle's recent gains keep going up! happy.gif


Well, that's enough for this entry. I hope this guide has helped explain in a couple ten thousand words what "Cool" means to me. biggrin.gif

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I agree biggrin.gif ! I love the style of the more recent sets. The Piraka were my favorite canister villains - that is, until the Barraki came out. I'm glad current sets are selling so well. The Rahkshi back in '03 were amazing partly due to the spines - and all the qualities they possessed - and more - that appealed to me came back in full force with the Barraki. And the Piraka were unique in their own way - never has there been a line of canister sets like them in Bionicle history.

I really like the whole coolified style, and hope that Lego keeps it up. All six of the Toa Mahri have amazing masks, and the Inika before them were great - my favorite Toa. And the sets have a great realism about them - it's the ultimate advancement of Bionicle, in my mind; the potential of the line realized.

This is all, of course, my personal tastes. But I'm glad that Lego is marketing towards them, and even if the demand for a more robotic look among the majority becomes strong in the future, at least I'll have a collection from '06 and '07. Even though Lego sometimes makes decisions that don't appeal to me, on the whole, they've created a great line. So hooray for Bionicle biggrin.gif !
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QUOTE(Electric Turahk)

Hahli has fins, not wings. Gosh, why is it so hard to understand that (Yes, I'm being serious)? Everyone keeps sayin' things like "Why does a Toa of Water have wings? They're under water, too, what use wiill they have?" It's annoying. They're fins. And you're just the unlucky one who I decided to finally say it to, ToM.

I agree that the Bionicle lines is cooler right now....I don't understand why people keep complaining.
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Visorak-kal
Feb 14 2007 02:15 PM
This is one of the best blog entries I have seen in a long time. (Okay, not that long, blogs just started. tongue.gif )

I really like your blog, Bonesii, you delve int othe deeper meaning of BIONICLE. I like you as a BZP person (although I don't know you) because you try to find that which is deeper than the outside. I like to do that as well. I don't look at the Mahri alone; I look at what led to the Mahri and how they fit in to the BIONICLE franchise. I agree wholeheartedly on soem points, not so on others. I agree that BIONICLE is headed in the right direction, and that "cool" can be determined by so many things that we consider everyday. Take the sun for example. As you showed, the sun looks like a Zamor sphere. It looks like a Zamor sphere. But it's not.

The Barraki were one of the greatest genius BIONICLE ideas ever. Taking oceanic creatures and combining them with BIONICLE's mechanical style, in essence humanizing them. You now have Pridak, Mantax, Ehlek, Carapar, Takadox, and my personal favorite, Kalmah.

Where I disagree is the Mahri. I believe the direction was right. Scuba-diver heroes, in essence. Cool. But as they say, right idea, bad execution. Scuba divers are not fish, and while the idea to mix them was "cool", they don't look that great. (Granted, they are prototypes, and the person who posed them tried to make them look bad. tongue.gif)

The Cornak blasters (official name) are okay. I can't say I'm crazy about them, but I wasn't crazy about Squid Launchers at first, but once I got the hang of them, they're actually quite great. But the blasters just seem too big, too bulky.

The Mahri themselvse hold mixed feelings. Again, right idea, bad execution. Jaller looks great. Hewkii's mask, IMO, looks horrid. A lot of the designs lack, such as Kongu. Two collectible launchers, and no personal weapon?

What I look for in BIONICLE is the innovative, the new, and the just plan awesome. The Barraki had that. The Inika had that. The Piraka had that. The Bahrag had that. Umbra had that. Vezon and Fenrakk had that. The 2007 Titans have that. The Mahri don't for me. Jaller, Hahli, and Hewkii have nice designs. (Excluding Hewkii's mask.) But the ones I like have the innovative, the new, and the plan awesome. The rest do not. Hewkii's arm is a new, great idea. Hahli's wings, amazing. Jaller, just plan awesome. Nuparu, lacking. Matoro, not so well done. Kongu, lacking. See what i mean?

But I agree with you that BIONICLE remains strong, remains innovative as a whole franchise, and remains, well, just plan cool.

And by the way, those pictures are awesome.
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EDIT: Sorry. I should have read your entry much more closely and thought out what I said before I posted. Glad you like this year's sets, I share that sentiment heavily. Not to mention all the pictures are pretty darn cool.
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QUOTE(Nuvoyar @ Feb 14 2007, 12:56 AM)

I agree biggrin.gif ! I love the style of the more recent sets. The Piraka were my favorite canister villains - that is, until the Barraki came out. I'm glad current sets are selling so well. The Rahkshi back in '03 were amazing partly due to the spines - and all the qualities they possessed - and more - that appealed to me came back in full force with the Barraki. And the Piraka were unique in their own way - never has there been a line of canister sets like them in Bionicle history.

I really like the whole coolified style, and hope that Lego keeps it up. All six of the Toa Mahri have amazing masks, and the Inika before them were great - my favorite Toa. And the sets have a great realism about them - it's the ultimate advancement of Bionicle, in my mind; the potential of the line realized.

This is all, of course, my personal tastes. But I'm glad that Lego is marketing towards them, and even if the demand for a more robotic look among the majority becomes strong in the future, at least I'll have a collection from '06 and '07. Even though Lego sometimes makes decisions that don't appeal to me, on the whole, they've created a great line. So hooray for Bionicle biggrin.gif !

Yeah--it is a good feeling when we're in the group of tastes LEGO's marketing to. That's what makes me wish that reality could be different and somehow they could also please the minority tastes--I have been there of course back with things like gears that I didn't like, and when there's something like that that I dislike, it makes me feel like Bionicle isn't as good as it could be, in feelings, though as a logician I at least know that's only true for me personally for sure. But it's definately a good thing that Bionicle -is- focusing on the majority, for the reason you said. happy.gif Hopefully it can be a consolation to the minority tastes in some small way.


QUOTE(D.Q @ Feb 14 2007, 09:39 AM)

QUOTE(Electric Turahk)

Hahli has fins, not wings. Gosh, why is it so hard to understand that (Yes, I'm being serious)? Everyone keeps sayin' things like "Why does a Toa of Water have wings? They're under water, too, what use wiill they have?" It's annoying. They're fins. And you're just the unlucky one who I decided to finally say it to, ToM.

I agree that the Bionicle lines is cooler right now....I don't understand why people keep complaining.

Well, I understand it--everybody's different, and to people who aren't into this style, it's not as "cool" in the other sense of the word. Being a fan of something can be very emotional, and people miss things that were powerful forces in their lives in some ways. I don't blame them for complaining about that. It can be hard to step back and look at the big picture.


QUOTE(Visorak-kal @ Feb 14 2007, 03:15 PM)

This is one of the best blog entries I have seen in a long time. (Okay, not that long, blogs just started. tongue.gif )

I really like your blog, Bonesii, you delve int othe deeper meaning of BIONICLE. I like you as a BZP person (although I don't know you) because you try to find that which is deeper than the outside. I like to do that as well.

Thanks, VK! happy.gif


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I don't look at the Mahri alone; I look at what led to the Mahri and how they fit in to the BIONICLE franchise. I agree wholeheartedly on soem points, not so on others. I agree that BIONICLE is headed in the right direction, and that "cool" can be determined by so many things that we consider everyday. Take the sun for example. As you showed, the sun looks like a Zamor sphere. It looks like a Zamor sphere. But it's not.

The Barraki were one of the greatest genius BIONICLE ideas ever. Taking oceanic creatures and combining them with BIONICLE's mechanical style, in essence humanizing them. You now have Pridak, Mantax, Ehlek, Carapar, Takadox, and my personal favorite, Kalmah.

Where I disagree is the Mahri. I believe the direction was right. Scuba-diver heroes, in essence. Cool. But as they say, right idea, bad execution.

We agree there on some points. BTW, I've just posted an in-depth analysis of Diosjenin's topic-post, here, including the details on what I see as problems with the Mahri--I'm interested in your thoughts on that. smile.gif

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Scuba divers are not fish, and while the idea to mix them was "cool", they don't look that great. (Granted, they are prototypes, and the person who posed them tried to make them look bad. tongue.gif)

Yes--that Jaller pose is especially awful. XD

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The Cornak blasters (official name) are okay. I can't say I'm crazy about them, but I wasn't crazy about Squid Launchers at first, but once I got the hang of them, they're actually quite great. But the blasters just seem too big, too bulky.

That's fair enough. My main problem with the blasters (BTW, are you sure it's Cornak with an "n"?) is the look, and I thought the squidders looked alright--but if the blasters fire better, might outweigh that. laugh.gif

I had thought they looked bulky too, but I'm not as sure, re-checking a few of the farther back pics from Toyfair--at certain angles they seem skinnier than at others. Not sure...

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The Mahri themselvse hold mixed feelings. Again, right idea, bad execution. Jaller looks great. Hewkii's mask, IMO, looks horrid. A lot of the designs lack, such as Kongu. Two collectible launchers, and no personal weapon?

What I look for in BIONICLE is the innovative, the new, and the just plan awesome. The Barraki had that. The Inika had that. The Piraka had that. The Bahrag had that. Umbra had that. Vezon and Fenrakk had that. The 2007 Titans have that. The Mahri don't for me. Jaller, Hahli, and Hewkii have nice designs. (Excluding Hewkii's mask.) But the ones I like have the innovative, the new, and the plan awesome. The rest do not. Hewkii's arm is a new, great idea. Hahli's wings, amazing. Jaller, just plan awesome. Nuparu, lacking. Matoro, not so well done. Kongu, lacking. See what i mean?

Heh, it's ironic that you don't like his mask. I've seen that a lot here--maybe that should be the subject of a poll. (Personally my sig is full though. :-P)

Yeah, I can see that, definately, though I don't mind Kongu except for a bit more armor, plus the launcher design itself--I don't mind the two launcher idea itself, and in a way it's fitting for an air Toa. For Matoro, the tubes are the main thing that I don't like. I love the shoulder armor, Toa-foot body design, and hunchback differentiation.

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But I agree with you that BIONICLE remains strong, remains innovative as a whole franchise, and remains, well, just plan cool.

And by the way, those pictures are awesome.

Thanks, heh. Took a whole day to find 'em all.






GMan--I'm PMing you about your flame comment before I make any attempt to try to reply to that here. I hope you rethink that behavior. sad.gif

[Edit: I've recieved your reply, and I'm glad to here you did not intend to flame and you see your mistake. happy.gif Thank you. smile.gif]
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It can be hard to step back and look at the big picture.

I'm really not sure what you mean by that. Like I, for one, do not share your definition of 'cool'. I think the design aesthetic of the more recent sets has been quite 'ugly'. Most decidedly not cool. So, because I disagree with you on what 'cool' is, I'm missing the big picture?

I don't know Bones. That sounds an awful lot like arguing a certain personal preference right over others.

Please ease my confusion.

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Gman had the same confusion, DV--what I'm saying is, this is how I, personally, define "cool" when I use that word (since many people have asked me how I define it, as I said in the first paragraph). Not saying other people don't define it differently. wink.gif Remember, though, this taste (or the general idea) seems to be the one usually shared by most Bionicle fans, so it seems to be to be worth the time to try to sit down and define it somehow. smile.gif

So, no, I'm not saying this taste is "better" than yours--remember I consider all tastes to be equal. On an individual basis. But as we've been over countless times before, since they're all equal, they're like a vote, so what's best for Bionicle's health is the majority. That's why I am saying this is the majority taste. The big picture I'm saying that most complainers miss is that fact--they often think their own taste is more important for Bionicle to target over everybody else's, but it is just impossible in the real world.

Hope that clears that up...
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Hope that clears that up...

It does. It was just an odd choice of words, I suppose.

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I just reread your entry, and I have to say, I agree. Giant trees like the one you showed are some of my favorite plants, they're just so impressively majestic. Sea creatures, although they evolved their features, have always been incredible and freaky (Viperfish for one- Woo!) and they're one of my interests, as I go to Cape Cod every summer and catch crabs. Nature's designs are imprinted in lots of things- Especially Bionicle, which I feel has caught the essence of the animals they based the Barraki off of very well, exceptionally. I bought and built all six. The Mahri, I see, are prototypes, but it's likely they'll have lots to improve on. But that's okay. Initially I didn't like the Inika, but now I find them okay. Plus that's what makes waiting for next year's sets and storyline so worthwhile- You know it has to be better in some detail, somehow. You made your point very clearly, bonesiii, I just wish I hadn't been so stupid that I looked at it blurredly.
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That's okay, GMan. happy.gif And glad I could clear that up, DV. Yeah, probably not worded the best... maybe I should edit that first paragraph?
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kaukau.gifOK, so you've defined "cool", now define "ruthless" and "elegance". I don't know about you, but I think that some of these things are based off of your personal tastes, which you try so hard not to use. I didn't see how mantax's heat was "elegant", nor how that picture of Thok was "elegant". Some of these things that you say are elegant sure don't look elegant to me. There's no way to talk about "cool" without bringing up personal tastes, and you just did. I also think, in terms of cool, that the piraka were the ugliest Bionicle I have ever seen, and I'm not saying that because I miss the older sets, I just simply didn't think that they "cool". The word itself is nothing but a personal taste, and as accurate as you can get to describing its meaning is "what you think is very interesting." Now, where I saw cool the most was with the Rakshi and the backgrounds on canisters for 2001-2004. I remember seeing Tahu on lava, Gali swimming, Onua and Whenua digging, and Lewa Nuva Matau flying. The Piraka sort of lost its elegant background, plus, I thought it was pretty plain that they were all just posing and not actually doing anything. That didn't seem cool to me. The Inika had a background, that's a little cool, but they all had the same one. Anyway, you also put up some pictures from anamations, well I think that the older anamations in 2001-2003 were more "cool." Sorry, but the stuff with the Piraka didn't seem to have that "ruthless elegance." I end my post with the same imperative thought that I started it with: Now that you have defined "cool", define "ruthless" and "elegant".


If you comment on this, please don't give me a big long lecture.
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Visorak-kal
Feb 16 2007 05:15 PM

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"and I hope this guide has helped explain what cool means to me."



Kraggh, Bonesiii is of course expressing his personal opinon; that cool can be ruthless and elegant. I think what he's trying to say is that you can combine ruthlessness and elegance. Thok is clearly ruthless; a Piraka, a villain. Yet some poses of his (like the bio.com Thok wallpaper, which I think Bonesiii is referring to) have a sort of villain elegance.

I also don't think bonesiii is saying that the Toa Nuva/Toa canisters were NOT cool. I think they were cool, yet I agree wholeheartedly with bonesiii's point. What he's trying to explain is that 'new' and 'different' and what can be associated by many as "NOT BIONICLE!" can be BIONICLE, and can be cool.

Of course cool is a personal opinion, but what he's saying also is this:

Why would a Bionicle customer buy a set? Because its' ugly? No, because to that customer, the set is cool. I got Kalmah and not Mantax because I thought Kalmah was cool and Mantax was not as cool. I got Bahrag, not Boxor, because I thought Bahrag was cooler than Boxor. So, if the majority of customers is buying the Piraka and Inika, they must think they're cool, or they wouldn't really be buying them. Bonesiii's personal views on what is cool must be what the majority thinks, because if they didn't think the sets were cool, BIONICLE's sales would be going down, and BIONICLE would be headed in the direction of your topic a while back; downhill.

Bonesiii, care to define 'ruthless' and 'elegant'? tongue.gif

What bonesiii is saying, Kraagh, is that ruthless and elegance are two normally different things. But in many cases, they can combine. He used the sun as an example. A ruthless source of body-burning, skull melting heat, yet so elegant in its form. Kalmah, a vicious-looking squid-like creature that will suck your face off, yet he can be elegant in his way, and ruthless elegance (which is the way BIONICLE is headed, so it seems) can be cool. Just cause the PIraka look evil and vicious, doesn't meant they're ugly. They're ruthless, yet elegant, and so can be cool.

And it's not really lecturing, Kraagh, it's explaining.


And bonesiii, I recently saw some new ToyFair pictures from Wednesday, which you can find around brickshelf, and I've changed my views on Hewkii and some of the Mahri. THey look quite cool, and I they aren't as prototype-looking as the ones from the Saturday night. Hewkii's mask is smoother and much more elegant. smile.gif

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kaukau.gifWhat I was stating was what, in my tastes, I thought was cool, what wasn't as cool,and what wasn't cool at all. Visorak-Kal, you mistook the meaning of "ruthless elegance". You thought that ruthless and elegant were two different words describing something that is cool. But actually, "ruthless" is describing "elegance". Look at that tree, it wasn't ruthless. Anyway, I am used to Bonesiii being 100% logition, so naturally I thought he was saying what was logically cool. Is anything I am saying making sence to you?
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Visorak-kal
Feb 16 2007 05:49 PM
Yes, I get what you mean, Kraggh. Bonesiii is by nature a logician, so you thought he wasn't describing personal taste. I see. I didn't mistake Ruthless Elegance, i knew Ruthless described the elegance, I was just giving another take on it. Thok has a ruthless look, but his ruthlessness is elegant, thus an elegance that is ruthless, thus ruthless elegance. See?


I get you now, though. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Kraggh)
OK, so you've defined "cool", now define "ruthless" and "elegance". I don't know about you, but I think that some of these things are based off of your personal tastes, which you try so hard not to use.

No, no. I don't use my personal tastes to form any "LEGO should" opinions. That's not the point of this entry--it's simply to try to define my tastes here. smile.gif This one is about my tastes. Again, read the first paragraph, it makes this clear.

At the same time, though, I do seperately have the opinion that this basic taste is the majority taste--you and I have discussed that at length before, so hopefully you understand that. But don't misunderstand, not saying that I know for a fact this is how every "majority" Bionicle fan would define it. I can't really know that anyways. This is just me. smile.gif



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Some of these things that you say are elegant sure don't look elegant to me.

Yes, Kraggh, that's because our tastes are different. As for Mantax, I meant the sweeping back, things, whatever the word is, at the back of his head. Before, I had thought his head was just this blocky thing, but with that pic, I see it's actually flattened, drawn out, with those two "tentacles" going off the back, which is more pleasing to me. smile.gif


Probably this may also have to do with me being able to accept more variety as pleasing, so I can see elegance in a Piraka where perhaps you can't (which is OK, don't misunderstand). That's why I made that poll on Set Variety, link in sig--I was curious if that was just me, and it seems it's not. Someone in the Sets forum recently called the 2001 Rahi and Toa "truly graceful", but in my tastes, that's the last word to apply. Yet for that person, it's the right word, and it's the word he "should" use, at least if that's how he meant it (although he -did- clarify wasn't the best word, I think... lol, but that's beside the point). Make sense? That is all a matter of taste, and it's definately OK for you to see it differently. happy.gif


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just simply didn't think that they "cool". The word itself is nothing but a personal taste, and as accurate as you can get to describing its meaning is "what you think is very interesting."

Lemme see if I can make this clear--it's because words like this mean different things to different people that I need to try, somehow, to show people visually what I mean when I use it. Make sense? Not to say that [pompous]"this is the 'official' definition"[/pompous], but that it's what little old me happens to mean when I use the word. smile.gif


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Now that you have defined "cool", define "ruthless" and "elegant".

All three are defined best I know how to with the images above. smile.gif If it helps, though, Kraggh, let me try to rephrase in one sentence, though it will be somewhat long:

Because I know that tastes vary and because I know that they're all equal, I know that even though the kind of thing I like is intense and won't be liked by others, there's nothing wrong with it, just as there's nothing wrong with what they like, and I am therefore not afraid to enjoy what I like, and not hold back--the best word I know to describe the well-aligned curves and spikes and serrations/feathers/teeth/etc. is "elegant" but most people think of "elegant" as laid back, held back, "dainty" and whatnot--I say no--I'm not just gonna enjoy "Laid Back Elegance", I'm gonna go all out, really enjoy it, take it up a few levels, up more levels, to Ruthless Elegance!


Does that help, lol? Boy, that went long. blink.gif I'm saying, since I know there's nothing wrong with it, I'm not afraid to delve deeply into the "elegance" or "cool" or "coolified" or whatever the word to use, hence, "ruthless." smile.gif

And at the same time, I think everybody else is free to delve just as deeply into what they like too! If you like, as Ikki put it, "Technified Power" (I think that was the quote), then celebrate it! It's OK! happy.gif





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Kraggh, Bonesiii is of course expressing his personal opinon

Yes, but for clarity's sake, VK, I wouldn't use the word "opinion." I'd just say that it's my "taste" or my "preference." I use the word "opinion" for things like "LEGO should" opinions, which this is not. Less confusing that way, I think. smile.gif


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I think what he's trying to say is that you can combine ruthlessness and elegance.

That's... almost it, but I'm not saying it's good to be ruthless in a moral sense, lol. Second paragraph of entry talks about that, incidentally.


I'm saying the elegance is good (for me) when it's ruthless; doesn't hold back. Not that the ruthlessness is good when it's elegant, XD. Although I suppose in the sense of enjoying the scariness of villains in an mere storyline, that's OK too. In that sense, I would agree with how you put it, yes.

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I also don't think bonesiii is saying that the Toa Nuva/Toa canisters were NOT cool. I think they were cool, yet I agree wholeheartedly with bonesiii's point. What he's trying to explain is that 'new' and 'different' and what can be associated by many as "NOT BIONICLE!" can be BIONICLE, and can be cool.

This is good analysis--this is thought provoking stuff here, heh.

How I would say my view of the Mata/Nuva (in my tastes), is that they were "cool" to a degree, but they were holding back. They weren't quite "ruthlessly" elegant, as it were, make sense? Again, in my tastes. So basically I liked them, but not as much as an Inika or a Piraka, or a Barraki.



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Why would a Bionicle customer buy a set? Because its' ugly? No, because to that customer, the set is cool. I got Kalmah and not Mantax because I thought Kalmah was cool and Mantax was not as cool. I got Bahrag, not Boxor, because I thought Bahrag was cooler than Boxor. So, if the majority of customers is buying the Piraka and Inika, they must think they're cool, or they wouldn't really be buying them. Bonesiii's personal views on what is cool must be what the majority thinks, because if they didn't think the sets were cool, BIONICLE's sales would be going down, and BIONICLE would be headed in the direction of your topic a while back; downhill.

Yes, when it comes to my actual opinion, I agree with that, but i want to be clear--I'm not saying that my tastes always coincide with the majority. For example, I love brown sets, as do a lot of my fellow BZPers, but most fans don't like them. Brown sells worst, which is why it was discontinued (mostly--Carapar is actually largely brown though, and not coincidentally he's the only Barraki I actually have so far *glares at thin wallet*). I also am not liking these Mahri launchers, and although guns are cool, I usually like swords better, so it's very possible the launchers might sell OK simply because they're guns, going against my tastes too. So please don't think I'm defining the "Official Bionicle Majority Taste" here or whatever, lol. It's just that usually, this general idea seems to be what most fans like.

And heck, I'm not even happy with that, per se. I mean, for me, it's great. I'm getting sets I love. But at the same time, I do wish reality could work differently so that you guys (those with different tastes, such as "Technicism", like gears for you, Kraggh) could have sets you like better too. And if the tables were turned, and most fans shared your taste, not mine, I wouldn't mind, for myself, that much. It would be a bit dissapointing, but I'd be happy you guys could get what you like. happy.gif And for a long time, before I found BZP and found out that things like Rahi hadn't sold as well as I'd assumed they did, I always thought the tables were turned, and I was in a minority, heh. And I was OK with that.








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What bonesiii is saying, Kraagh, is that ruthless and elegance are two normally different things. But in many cases, they can combine. He used the sun as an example. A ruthless source of body-burning, skull melting heat, yet so elegant in its form.

In that sense, yes. That's what I'm saying. Of course, without examples, it's so hard to define. In fact, maybe the pictures alone can't do the job, heh, since there's a lot of confusion I'm getting in the comments, XD. But still, I think there's a part of this that has to resonate with someone who shares my tastes to really see it like I see it, since this is an entry about taste, not about logic. smile.gif So don't feel bad that you don't see it that way, Kraggh. Nothing wrong with that.










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And bonesiii, I recently saw some new ToyFair pictures from Wednesday, which you can find around brickshelf, and I've changed my views on Hewkii and some of the Mahri. THey look quite cool, and I they aren't as prototype-looking as the ones from the Saturday night. Hewkii's mask is smoother and much more elegant.

Glad to hear that. I had seen a better pose before on another site, BTW, which shall remain nameless here, but that did give me a better angle on it. That may be part of what's going on here. Time shall tell. Angle often affects initial opinion, heh.



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Just cause the PIraka look evil and vicious, doesn't meant they're ugly. They're ruthless, yet elegant, and so can be cool.

Yes--now to get closer to what I meant, though, this can apply to good guys too. They definately shouldn't be ruthless, of course. But they can be elegant. And I personally like it when they push that elegance to the extreme, being ruthless in that sense, not in behavior. (I say "they" but of course it's set designers only--so far in the story the Toa have never controlled their looks.)













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Visorak-Kal, you mistook the meaning of "ruthless elegance". You thought that ruthless and elegant were two different words describing something that is cool. But actually, "ruthless" is describing "elegance". Look at that tree, it wasn't ruthless.

That's correct; that's what I meant as far as which word modifies what, lol. VK's point does stand for enjoying villains in a story as said above, and I hadn't thought of that. That is true too. But yes, to look at the tree, what I'm saying is it's elegant (to me), but it's beyond what most people think of with "elegant" because they are thinking "dainty" or "held back elegance." So it's "ruthless elegance."





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Anyway, I am used to Bonesiii being 100% logiton, so naturally I thought he was saying what was logically cool.

Oh, there's no such thing, IMO. This is why I said, in comments for the "Why I Do What I Do" entry, that logic and emotion must both be present, IMO. A "logical" definition of cool would mean nothing without emotion and taste to produce pleasure. A computer is logical, but it cannot understand a concept like "cool", just like it can't be happy or sad.

The one way I could see there being such a thing is if all human beings universally responded the exact same way to each type of entertainment--that there was no such thing as varying taste and we were all the same. Frankly, I'm glad we're not because life would be boring that way, heh. No, it's definately a matter of taste. smile.gif

Remember, Kraggh, that "I like" statements are considered outside logic. I've made this crystal clear in the Debate Terms guide--this is why I keep asking people to read it so we can avoid this kind of misunderstanding, XD. I am a logician, yes, but as one, I understand that personal taste is outside logic (it's another term for "I like"). Therefore, there's no way to logically define "cool" for everybody. The best we can do is define what it means to each of us, individually. Hence this entry....

Anyways, hope this isn't too long. ph34r.gif


Edit: Just oooone last comment, which is totally going into too much depth, XD:
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Bonesiii is by nature a logician, so you thought he wasn't describing personal taste.

For the record, I'm not "by nature" a logician... I had to learn that it's the best way to become one. I was as illogical as anyone else when I was a little chillun, XD. No offense to the little chilluns... I do consider myself lucky to have been given the right opportunities to see this. Ultimately I had to choose it, against my own ego and selfish nature. At the same time, i discovered that in another sense, it -is- my nature in that it seems best for humanity in general. After all, we have both emotions and the most advanced brains in nature--why not use the brains too? biggrin.gif

But yeah, getting deeeep here XD.
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See? You can come up with way cooler ideas for a blog than I can. biggrin.gif Just hearing about somebody's life is boring. We must jazz. This is an awesome entry!

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And Hahli's mask. And! And. And. And. Hahli has... WINGS!!1!1!!

Whoot! Yeah! Amen!! *dances* YAY!!
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All I've got to say is that you have too much spare time, Bones. Lol. tongue.gif

^TZT^
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kaukau.gifI think that cool can only be defined by ones personal tastes. What one person might think cool another one might not. I'm not sure if you made that clear or not, Bonesiii, but I think I might say that. You thought that the Piraka were cool, I thought that they were pretty boring, to be honest. You thought that the triceratops skull was cool, but I thought it was pretty dull. I think that a girl called Monica is cool, but everybody else thinks that she's weird. I guess that people opinions on what's cool and what's not just simply varies.
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Forgetting things since.... umm....


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Which I suppose is a fancy way of saying, "I have no idea."


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I attack my own theories. I'm weird like that.


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If only books could be updated like web pages.


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Bionicle was supposedly a betrayal of everything LEGO stands for, its pieces far too clunky, a horrible turn away from the more "intelligent" Technic and a total stabbing in the back of the good old brick, an insult to AFOLS, evidence of a mythical trend away from the construction toy, far too violent, etc.


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It's really pretty simple:

Gadunka is one of the "coolest" sets ever. Most inventive, most unusual, most striking. Thus, he is horrible.


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Of course they're weird. All Bionicle names are supposed to be weird. Show me the Bionicle name that is "normal".


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You just completely contradicted yourself. If Mata Nui was working out great, then wouldn't Metru Nui have made less money?



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If that's greedy, then you are greedy for driving in a car to get somewhere far away fast, for wearing shoes so you can walk at a reasonable pace without cutting your feet, using silverware to better eat your food, using a telephone to avoid having to make a trip and speak, using a computer to type a forum post when you could walk personally to everybody's house and speak what you just said over and over and over again.... At least 2000 times to account for all the possible active BZP members, and preferably about five million times -- and you'd have to go door to door throughout the whole world to even figure out which people were Bionicle fans anyways before you started confusing monks in Tibet with strange words like "Kongu" and "Cordak". All within your own lifetime, regardless of whatever else you had wanted to do in your life.

And forget speech. You have to scratch out the message with your fingernails in stone. Then maybe you wouldn't be greedy. Maybe.



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Nobody would surprise me, so it's probably Makuta. But I went with Hydraxon, because he's a weapons master and it would make sense, no?


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Why didn't I think of that earlier?


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I don't just ask rhetorical questions -- I answer them.


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I knew you'd say that.


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You're a body with a head. So what?


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A simple conversion is not a business plan to actually get two radically different markets to behave as if they were the same.


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Um, hello? Are my posts invisible?


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Universe go poof.

We All Live In An

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I hate typing Roman numerals above three.


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I always find these topics funny -- everybody goes in circles, pointing to the exact same aspect of the set and going "See that? So it's obvious it's horrible! How can you not see that?", and then someone else saying, "See that? It's obvious it's awesome! How can you not see that?"


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Obviously, not everybody sees I to I.


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They have their uses -- like if you're making a MOC that's supposed to be a light green faceless humanoid.


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I hate it when I can't tell if someone's joking.


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Yes, that's an excuse to be lazy.


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Hold on just a second. I think you have things backwards. Mata Nui was not paradise -- it was a place of horror and war for a thousand years!


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Lol.


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I'm a logician. I can tell you that your argument does not merely sound illogical. It is.


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Yeah, that'd be bad. Next question?


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We'd still have wooden ducks, no plastic bricks, and definately no LEGO if change was prevented. Really, we wouldn't even have that.


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It is unfortunate that it's this way (at least for us). But it is. We might as well come to grips with it.


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And I walk away in peace.


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You have no idea how many times I've read this style of opening to this kind of topic, man. I must admit I am very very tired of it.

*deeeeep breath*

*shakes head madly*

Okay, I'm good.


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My memory doesn't go back that far.


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If I didn't agree with something, I'd try to find out the reasons for it before doing anything else, which is something I think some people forget to do and instead they dig themselves a hole for no reason.


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Lol, I think you missed the point -- BR isn't going to think your forum deserves approval if he has to be told it exists.


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I'm a coolomaniac.


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But I like spam!
Wait...


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This is not a country. This is a website. Countries are led by governments. Websites are owned by owners. Countries are places you physically exist in, and may have difficulty leaving. Websites are places YOU choose to go. Countries are places you may be born in, or grow up in, etc.

BZPower is a place YOU sign an agreement in order to join. Blame cannot be placed on us when a member violates that agreement. And if a member chooses not to like that agreement anymore, they are free to leave at will. If a member violates the agreement they made with us, we are justified in punishing the member as agreed.


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I'm a logician -- I think in terms of what makes sense all the time. I don't just agree -- I know why I agree, and I think my reasons are pretty sound.


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If I'm breaking a rule, it's because I gave myself permission to allow myself an exception, thus I am not technically breaking it.


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[A]lthough Evil Lord Survurlode does seem to be making a bit of a comeback, just like Sauron, so we might have an epic war that will spawn a novel and three giant books of a trilogy soon... but yeah...


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I object to the wording of this question.


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Huzzah?

I'm A Doctor, Not A Great Being

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Ever had one of those moments where you think you just passed into an alternate timeline? This is one. ()_o


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Rants are based on pompous egos and desire to pick a fight. Not intelligence.


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The Monster on LOST is Makuta.


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Cynics are some of the most naive people on the planet. They hear someone claim things are bad, and they accept it without question.


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I'm a realist with an imagination.


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I blame Survurlode.


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You see a flamer, your response should not be to just flame him back -- you lower yourself to his level if you do.


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Let's open that can of worms, as unpleasant as it might be. [...] *I'm not afraid of you, worms!*


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"Transformation" can be as simple as a bomb rearranging a building into a debris field.


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Far better to be proven wrong than to be wrong without knowing it.


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I remember when I was a kid, and I was just playing around, I didn't know this stuff, so I said gas prices were five dollars at my play gas station.

My dad laughed, said gas would never be that expensive.


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Toa carrying rifles... as they ride their space shuttles into... Klingon territory...


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Kazi [ha]s Rahkshi staffs. (Oooh, Kazi=evil??)


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Take an election between two candidates. Obviously, both candidates will get votes. However, one will get more votes, and one will get less. You would be, in this example, voting for the one with less votes (Mr. Olderfanson). You see why the fact that you, one person, did vote for that guy, doesn't prove that he won the election? [...] "Mr. Newerfanson" won the election.


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o_O


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In general, I do enjoy debates--but I don't enjoy being flamed, no. Nor do I enjoy wasting time when I have tons of PMs I need to reply to and top secret reference projects to work on and all that responding to things that could have been cleared up with more thought before posting, heh. Debates can still get tedious when it seems (please note "seems"!) that a few people refuse to approach them with an open mind.


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<_<
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I didn't even spell "the" right.


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Lol. I never said I'm always right! Yeesh, what do I have to do to convince you guys I don't think that? Purposefully take wrong positions or something?


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Guess what? I could draw before I learned to write, but does that mean I should get all huffy and insulted at the fact that not everybody shares my particular talent? This is just absurd, isn't it? Did you honestly think that everybody has the same talents and gains proficiency at the same time?



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When someone much older than you was a kid, LEGO was wooden toys. [fogie teeth voice]"These newfangled plastic things are insulting! As if there isn't money to be made in good old fashioned woodblock toys!"[/fogie teeth voice]


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Can we sing kumbaya yet? Sing it! Koooooooo----oom---bah-----yaaaaaaaaahhhhhh.

Or something... Sing it! You don't even have to agree with me! Just sing it anyways, maaan!

Sing!


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Your mistake is that you are thinking in terms of a simplistic "formula" of strength, and thinking that can be used to predict everything. It can't--every situation is different, and sometimes a weak Matoran might catch a glimpse of a passing Rahkshi while a powerful "Toa Ultimaultrasuper" might get blasted to bits when the same Rahkshi actually attacks. You need to be realistic--think in terms of the situation. Stories are based on that--they are a "game of seconds and inches" where dangers both big and small can occur to both powerful and weak people, and how you perform depends on your brains and the time you have to prepare more than your actual power level.


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Why did the entirely robotic Bohrok need teeth? Someone explain how that is okay but teeth in Piraka isn't?


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Phew. Now, to post, and see if I maxed the text limit out.

Yabo! Hahaha!

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Thanks X. Thanks D. Thanks X and D. XD


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I lazy.


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You can make any innovation look bad if you point to the non-innovative ways (the old "normal" ways) and claim they must be followed blindly.


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But what I don't get about it is -- why the apparent desire to kill characters off for no reason? In real life you meet tons of people who you will never meet again, and they're not dead. Is that to you a problem? I don't get it -- you'd go insane if you tried to stay in touch with every random old lady that said hi when you were walking the dog...


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Yes, my post in this topic is product placement. So sue me.


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In addition, high gravity affects spacetime on a fundamental level, slowing time down and bending the spatial brane. Not to be confused with the spacious brain.


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It would create a field of electrogravimetry that would pull all nearby matter in and then make it explode. The explosion cloud would take the form of an anchovy.


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There's only a slim chance that we exist.


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I love taking myself out of context.


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I think it's admirable to be careful not to offend people where it makes sense. But at some point, you have to be willing to stand up for yourself and be confident enough that if someone comes at you with an unreasonable accusation, you don't take it.


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I think aliens invaded already and have fooled us into thinking they are mere animals who "meow".


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Good stories aren't puppet shows. They are tales of life, with realistic characters -- people -- living out their lives, with really minimal "guiding" by the author.


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Oh goody, a complainer to blast to oblivion.


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To begin with, I disagree strongly with pretending it is "killing off", rather than a serious story being told, with serious themes and life in the story. Characters aren't "killed off". They die.

I find this term somewhat offensive, because it implies the writer kills the character like a TV show host telling a contestant to leave. This is not a game show. It is the events of the storyline that kill the character. That term is merely a psychological shield to avoid the emotion of the moment in the story. IMO, that's a kind of immaturity.


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Um.


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You can't always get what you want "now now now". Your logic makes no sense -- if you want to know what's in the books, that means you support the books' existence. Yet you apparently want spoilers to go up the day it's out, so in the countries where it is bought, people could just read the spoilers and not buy the book, risking its sales going down and the books ending, and thus no more spoilers for you to read!


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Truth = Truth. And nothing else.


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I had spammed ten thousand times.


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A good comedy is a development, like a story, not a punchline. You start with a situation, and it goes in unexpected, funny ways, which leads into other twists, to a conclusion that often can be more serious than funny, avoiding random cliches and developing enough logic that it doesn't feel like you slapped random nonsense down. Comedies Forum has this bad rap of having a lot of Unfunny Stuff -- I think it's the temptation to write short punchlines drawing on typical one-liner cliches that causes this. The 300 word rule is a good basic start to avoiding that problem.


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Dude. My voting precint is a "23". ph34r.gif


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And what people are saying about randomosity is true -- I hope that it's not surprising that as a logician, I understand how to be funny (though I won't try in this post ). Logic isn't for Spock who refuses to smile -- you actually need logic in your comedy to make it funny. In my experience, a balance of logic and random nonsense helps -- even logic OF the random nonsense.


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I highly recommendate it.


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Another mistake a lot of people make is thinking a comedy must be 100% funny -- reality is that that tends to just overwhelm the reader and come off more as spam. If you look at my Survurlode interviews, for example, there is always at least one serious theme that the whole work revolves around. The serious aspects support the humorous, and vice versa.


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*strongly approves of the use of the term "bionical"*


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Well, my observation has always been the opposite -- more established official facts inspires MORE fan imagination -- at least with imaginative official facts. It was really only once the "gappists" starting complaining, in my observation as a 2003+ member here, about "tons of official facts" that I saw the fanfiction community here really explode with creativity.

Think about it -- imagination feuls imagination. Less imagination doesn't -- it starves imagination.

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How much wood would a woodwood wood if a woodwood would would wood?


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But my point related to that isn't that I literally think it should be FULLY sun-sized. I'm just saying, there's a whole range, from a little larger than Earth, to a LOT larger, to a TONTONZILLION larger, and it's all possible if the story team just feels like it.


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*imagines massive asteriod pulling out a pirate's telescope lol*


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GD is NOT for storyline-only discussion. That discussion belongs in S&T.


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S&T policies are designed for good reasons, tried, tested, and they work.


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Sure I'm sure -- it's Bionicle. Anything's possible.


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I never understand these claims -- how do you know what "proportionate" is for that character? He's a fictional character, made out of plastic LEGO parts.

So why get annoyed at it? When you look at a giraffe, do you get annoyed? It makes no sense to me to do so.

Besides, you're setting yourself up for it. Nobody ever told you these characters were supposed to be exactly human.

If you look at an ape, would you say it's done wrong, just because it resembles a human?


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I plan not to, but I guess if the site shut down I'd kinda have to, wouldn't I?


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...they usually give their jokes when they have the upper hand at the moment, though, or when they've just run into a frustrating difficulty that's not immediately dangerous, which are realistic IMO. When they're in immediate danger, I am not aware that they pause to crack jokes.


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I strongly disagree -- everybody capitalizes their name. It's cliche.

(I do not capitalize because 1) I hate being cliche, and 2) it is symbolic of humility.)


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I knew you'd say that.


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Seriously though, obviously the focus groups like silver, guys -- there's no mystery, those of you portraying it as odd that LEGO keeps using the color. This is how personal taste works -- it differs, and you're gonna find yourself in the minority sometimes. Best get used to it -- that's life.


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*lets self dp*


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I'm not a soldier, but I know that keeping your sense of humor alive even in dangerous or serious situations can be a huge boon to keeping your sanity.

He who forgets how to laugh forgets how to live.


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I heart silver. My favorite metallic. If I had my way, gold would be considered lesser than silver.


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The red eye thing is the closest thing you have to evidence, but I could argue that Berix is the traitor for spending time away from the villages, or Ackar is the traitor because his name sounds like Admiral Ackbar and there was a traitor in Star Wars called Darth Vader.


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Ultimately it comes down to this for me -- YOU choose to dissapointed or miserable.

If you expected the universe to be perfect, that was your choice, and really not very sensible of you.


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If I as a writer were to try to appeal to the attitude you express in your post, I would feel like I am constantly walking on eggshells. Everytime I had a cool idea how to use a character, or more importantly logic told me the character naturally would be involved in something, I would have to worry about whether I shouldn't do it as it might offend someone.

That's a miserable way to write, and I wouldn't wish that on the story team, myself, or anyone.


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But one thing. Everyone expects something when they do something.


Very true. For example, when I posted the above post, I expected somebody to reward me with this point, giving me an excuse to discuss it in a separate post so as to give it better focus.


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Therefore, the more "things to expect" from a "donation or whatever the heck you want to call it", the more likely we get mooooolaaaaaaaa. Therefore good.

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I don't see what the anology has to do with this. "Chevys" (or "Chevies") makes sense. Like "Keets" or Morby or my personal favorite for Makuta -- Terry Mack. "Biological Chronicles" referring to beings makes no sense. And as I typed this, a Chevy ad came on TV. They called it "Chevy." Seriously, exact same time.


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Oh my, you're completely irrelevant metaphor makes you look sooo intelligent.


This is obviously getting out of hand, so I guess I have to close it. Also, you failed to answer my question. When a moderator asks you a question, answer it. Capisce? wink.gif

Please do not attack people like that. That is flaming, or at best trolling, both of which are not allowed.


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What does a premier member buy?

1) YOUR right to be on here for free.

2) Their right to be on here.

3) PM perks, like poll-making, blogs, etc.

4) Proto.

No matter how you slice it, sending in that money is NOT just buying proto. Even if proto is all they want, they're still buying YOUR right to be on here for free. Yall should be grateful.

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