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On subcultures and self-labelling


Taka Nuvia

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Inspired by a 'discussion' I had with a friend recently.

Warning: wall of text ahead. ^^"

 

She would insist that two certain subultures are almost the same. Which they are not, because I've done a fair share of research on both and I can say that the aesthetics are different, the music is different, and the general attitude towards life and other things is not alike, too.

The only thing they really have in common is that in both people wear a lot of black.

 

What really annoyed me though was that my reasonable arguments were greeted with... not saying ignorance, but there was no intention to actually consider my viewpoint coming from her side. I could say what I wanted, there'd always be a "But..." in return.

Ah well.

 

Later I thought about it again, and realized that actually that is pretty much the reason why I never really labelled myself as something like "Goth" or "Metalhead" or whatever.

(Okay, some of you may recall a time, around 2008/2009 when I referred to myself as "Emo" {or rather, "Emo Mata Nui" haha xD} repeateadly - I was 14, okay... ._. it was more of a joke anyway because that was what people at school always shouted.)

For the more research I did, the more I realized that technically, belonging to a subculture, or identifying oneself as such, depends on so much more than just what you're wearing.

From what I've seen, read and heard it just goes deeper than that.

 

In search for "my place" I looked at many things, and drew my conclusions. I am attracted to the dark aesthetics of the goth subculture. I love putting skulls on everything. (which is more a silly quirk of mine, though xP) I enjoy Metal in many forms (both 'true'/obscure and more 'mainstream' stuff, woot) Painted leather jackets are cool. Mohawks are cool. Punk rock can be nice, too.

 

I could never ever decide for something, though. To me, by saying "I am this or that" means I would bind myself to rules, real or unspoken ones, and all of a sudden we'd be back to trying to fit in; only that this time it's not the 'general' public, but a smaller circle. Still, a set of rules. That's the last thing I want.

 

At least that's my view of things. What I've also encountered a view times, especially among people my age, is the following attitude:

"Oh, I am different than the others. I listen to different music. I dress all black - I must be a goth!"

I often get the feeling that it's more about drawing a line between "Myself" and "The others" than about really getting into it.

 

Which of course is, technically, a legitimate reason, too.

 

After all, everyone has their own way of life, their own ways of approaching things, their own tolerance of labelling.

Therefore IMO you can't really call someone a 'poser', either, just because they don't do it 'your way'. Yes, I will start a debate if you mention things like "Goth and Emo are the same". I will try to point out why it isn't so, based on facts. If I see I won't be getting anywhere, I'll just agree to disagree.

I won't, however, think any less of you just because you think of it differently than I do.

After all, elitism is evil. :S

 

And don't get me wrong, for a while I strived to find a group I 'belong to'. Somehow I realized that just being myself was the option that worked better for me. Having to conform to a label of any sorts would make me feel uncomfortable. I guess in a way it can mean safety, though. Certainty. A kind of "I know who/what I am".

 

I guess for now I'll just stay the person who wears a lot of black and skulls, draws and enjoys science. ^_^

 

 

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So I guess what your trying to say is dont stick to labels for the sake of them being labels. Stick to them because that's who you want to be?

Im also sorry for calling you a goth on here the other day and I hope I didnt offend you to much.

 

I remember when I was in secondary school. Years 8-10 were probably the worst years of my life. Simply because I wasnt being me. In 2007 or maybe 08 I got rid of my entire Bionicle collection becuase of this. It took me a few years to realise that I regretted doing that. When I moved schools in year 11 I feel like I manged to find who i was a little more. I think you could call some of my hobbies nerdy but I woudnt care now. Why would I try to stop liking something just becuase I feel its not socially acceptable.

 

I was speaking to a friend from my old school a few months back and we looked at some lego sets for nostalgia on the computer. I think there was some picture with a grown man in his mid 30s with a lego set he had built. My friend said

"Wow that guy is so sad" (He doenst know I still collect Bionicle)

I said "Why? You always say to me that if it was soccially acceptable then you would get lego again"

He said "I know but if you would rather be playing with lego than doing other things then that just seems sad"

 

It just annoys me.

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:kaukau: Wow, Taka Nuvia, I really like this entry and have been meaning to post something similar for a while now, save for my standards of delivering a wall of text are a bit higher (for me, this is more of a picket fence. I have a lot of thoughts on the matter, and it's just a matter of putting them all together into one definitive article that represents a good chunk of my worldview. Anyway, I'm glad you're speaking your mind about labeling.

 

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Okay, that's kinda weird. It was just last night that I was working on an article for a student magazine about this very same subject, albeit focusing on slightly different labels. Spooky. :P

 

But seriously you raise some good points and I have to agree with you. There's nothing inherently wrong with giving yourself labels and I think it's a fine way to identify yourself but just so long as you don't let it define you. Labels are a fine way of quickly and efficiently sharing your interests with random people but by letting them know about the parts of you that fit into a certain subculture they also miss out on all the other parts that make you you. Instead of being the "variety of labels" which we are, by living as one we neglect the other parts.

 

I think I'm just talking about walking stereotypes though. If someone wants to fit more snugly into a certain group then props to them, I'm not the kind of person to say they're doing it wrong. I just have to agree with you when the better thing to do is identify yourself as an individual and not as whatever group you're most fond of at the time.

 

If that makes any sense. At this point I'm probably just rambling blindly. :P

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@CCCXLVII: Hey, it's okay, no need to apologise. :) After all, it was a question, anyway. ^^

And no, that's not 100% what I was trying to say, but I guess it's a possible approach, too. I was more thinking of something along the lines of "I don't want to label myself because I find it restrictive, but if others want to do so for themselves, I'm okay with it."

 

But that story of yours is... sad indeed. :/ I kind of dislike it when people say something like that. Heck, toys are not just for children. The older I become, the more I realize that (okay, this probably doesn't mean much coming from an 18-year-old who is technically still a child, but um.. I guess you get what I mean ^^)

 

@Jean Valjean: Why thank you xD I'm not really used to writing longer entries, therefore anything that's longer than a few lines looks like a wall to me... but maybe I've never seen a real castle and that's why my little fence seems tall to me. ^^"

 

But glad you enjoyed the entry. ^^

 

@The Jolly Automaton: What a weird coincidence xD

 

Having been mis-labelled by others for many years has led to a dislike for labels as a whole for me, but yeah, I do see their purpose. :shrugs:

And moreso, others will always make their assumptions based on labels, looks and all the rest. It's a sad thing, really. :/

 

Yup. I agree with you agreeing with me :P

 

Definitely makes sense to me. ^_^

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