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Dissecting Nostalgia


bonesiii

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I'm really short on time today so I'ma gonna use a quote from one of my posts. :P This is from Emperor Kraggh's topic: How Do Newcomers View Nostalgia? which is, BWT, almost dead despite being an interesting topic. (Revival is 30 days in GD so there's still time to post as of this moment!)

Bold is for important points, not emotionalism.

These are interesting questions, but even more interesting to me is this -- what causes nostalgia in the first place? I'm hoping to have time to fit yet another blog entry in about this, because there's a simple answer that would solve some of the issues many fans have.

Basically, nostalgia is caused because at the outset, the brain is in an open-minded state, searching for things that fit its personal tastes really well, thus pleasing it. But once we have such an experience, we often lock that in as "THE" way to get that emotional high. So we sort of overspecialize our brain's definition of "my preference", locking out other preferences that are actually in us.

And from that point on, we can sometimes actually lock out our own brain from experiencing similar (but different) situations that would actually please us as much, more, or possibly at least somewhat lol, compared to the original one. I would go so far as to generalize that for many, many older fans, we could be just as pleased every year if we would simply unlock our brains to allow ourselves to be so.

I think I've always been better able to unlock that ability, and maybe that in addition to 2001 not being in a lot of big ways to my tastes even though I was there for it (and enjoying those parts that were) has helped me enjoy new years. Sure, sets have come closer to what I like -- but a lot of it is my own choice.

Obviously the weakness of this is that even if you're open for it, sometimes things are just not going to swing back towards your natural preferences (like if someone is wired to be the uberfan of Technicism, they're not going to ever be quite as happy now, since that failed experiment was mostly dropped). Still, even here it can improve things.


This is just my view of it; I'm no scientist, but it fits perfectly with my observations of myself, you guys, people in real life, etc. It seems that not only is enjoyment about personal taste, but about the "lockdowns" we impose on our own tastes. Sorta like a "cool kid" in school letting everybody else tell him what he's allowed to like just so he isn't seen as "weird" (which is rather silly considering everybody's supposed to be weird, not clones lol), only in this case we are letting a past experience tell us perhaps too exactly how we are to be pleased.

And lemme emphasize that this shouldn't be interpreted as preachy -- it's up to you if you want to "unlock" your own tastes fully, or if you want to stick to a more narrow definition of what you allow yourself to like. It's all taste, therefore subjective, therefore it's not a crime to be confined by nostalgia. However, "unlocking" it may very well help you be a happier person, so it's worth considering!

A simple trick is to pretend that every year, you are coming into it like a new fan, who doesn't remember the old years, and just let your own tastes judge the new year freely, in the same way your tastes judged the old year. Doesn't mean you'll necessarily like new as much as old, but perhaps it can help.

Everybody on BZPower who has ever said that they have tried this tells me that it works for them. :)

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I would go so far as to generalize that for many, many older fans, we could be just as pleased every year if we would simply unlock our brains to allow ourselves to be so.

Er you might wanna rethink that bones because if somebody liked 2001 type of situation it has not happened since therefore not possible to have the same pleasure. Sure they might like some new things but they could not experience the same emotion unless their tastes drastically changed.

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That's sort of how I think when I first see/ get the sets.

 

I like every year for the good things about it; I don't drone on and on about how every year is different from the first. If every year were identical, then everyone would complain about the sets/ story always being the same, and thus, it just wouldn't be as interesting if it didn't change every year.

 

Now, I'll admit, I'm not as nuts about today's sets as 2001's, but that's probably because I'm older than I was back then, and don't jump all off the walls and act all hyper whenever I get a new set, or comic, or something. So as a result, I don't have that whole... crazy-about-it-feeling or whatnot that I had before.

 

So it's not just because of people being attached to older sets, but also because of maturity, and becoming fond of more "serious" things. Because when someone is younger, he/she finds less serious things more serious, which is why they think it's missing things.

 

And to be honest, I actually think Bionicle is becoming a bit more geared towards older fans, at least in '07 it was. Really, think about it.

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I would go so far as to generalize that for many, many older fans, we could be just as pleased every year if we would simply unlock our brains to allow ourselves to be so.

Er you might wanna rethink that bones because if somebody liked 2001 type of situation it has not happened since therefore not possible to have the same pleasure. Sure they might like some new things but they could not experience the same emotion unless their tastes drastically changed.

Read what I said more closely, GB. :P Everything you said was accounted for (and I think I said what you just said, at least twice :P).

 

That's sort of how I think when I first see/ get the sets.

 

I like every year for the good things about it; I don't drone on and on about how every year is different from the first. If every year were identical, then everyone would complain about the sets/ story always being the same, and thus, it just wouldn't be as interesting if it didn't change every year.

 

Now, I'll admit, I'm not as nuts about today's sets as 2001's, but that's probably because I'm older than I was back then, and don't jump all off the walls and act all hyper whenever I get a new set, or comic, or something. So as a result, I don't have that whole... crazy-about-it-feeling or whatnot that I had before.

 

So it's not just because of people being attached to older sets, but also because of maturity, and becoming fond of more "serious" things. Because when someone is younger, he/she finds less serious things more serious, which is why they think it's missing things.

 

And to be honest, I actually think Bionicle is becoming a bit more geared towards older fans, at least in '07 it was. Really, think about it.

Yeah, if I'd had more time I would have talked about how this relates to aging. But you basically summed it up. :)

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I dunno. It never occured to me to count them. :P I'm curious why you are curious.

Oh, just thought you might be pulling one on us.

 

It is a good idea...

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Good entry, but you fail to acknowledge that nostalgia can help one appreciate the sets when continuity is present. Therefore, it is better not to invariably ignore one's past experience with BIONICLE, but rather to selectively appreciate the familiar aspects of sets while likewise appreciating what is generally good about them to an unbiased eye.

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Nostalgia is only one of the reasons I dislike the new sets. I also dislike them because I think they are uninteresting, due to using the same old body construction, and just plain old ugly, and I don't think any type of cranial unlocking will change that.
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I dunno. It never occured to me to count them. :P I'm curious why you are curious.

Oh, just thought you might be pulling one on us.

 

It is a good idea...

Lol -- I'm bonesiii, savvy? :P

 

Good entry, but you fail to acknowledge that nostalgia can help one appreciate the sets when continuity is present. Therefore, it is better not to invariably ignore one's past experience with BIONICLE, but rather to selectively appreciate the familiar aspects of sets while likewise appreciating what is generally good about them to an unbiased eye.

That's a fair point. I think a good way to say it, then, is nostalgia can certainly be a good thing as long as what you've "locked in" does stick around. But if it doesn't, it can be a bad thing. Also, don't forget that sometimes we get bored with the same old thing even if we would get nostalgic for it if it was taken away (like the boredom complaints about Mata Nui).

 

Nostalgia is only one of the reasons I dislike the new sets. I also dislike them because I think they are uninteresting, due to using the same old body construction, and just plain old ugly, and I don't think any type of cranial unlocking will change that.

No, in your case, probably not. Also, you seem to be pretty fair about nostalgia, for example, you have many times given the example of the Toa Hagah as to your tastes -- and those aren't 2001. :)

 

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I would go so far as to generalize that for many, many older fans, we could be just as pleased every year if we would simply unlock our brains to allow ourselves to be so.

Er you might wanna rethink that bones because if somebody liked 2001 type of situation it has not happened since therefore not possible to have the same pleasure. Sure they might like some new things but they could not experience the same emotion unless their tastes drastically changed.

Read what I said more closely, GB. :P Everything you said was accounted for (and I think I said what you just said, at least twice :P).

ER where I really dont see it :P

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Funny thing is, even though I have been a fan since 2001, I don't feel nostalgic for it or most of the things that were in it. I actually feel more nostalgic for years like 2006, for example, since I really liked 2006. Maybe I'm just different, I don't know.

 

-TNTOS-

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Well, GB, first of all, I said "many, many" -- the minority who liked the older styles obviously wouldn't be included in that (at least not as much, although this can probably help everybody at least a little). Remember, I said that was a generalization, so not universal. And here's my quotes:

 

Obviously the weakness of this is that even if you're open for it, sometimes things are just not going to swing back towards your natural preferences (like if someone is wired to be the uberfan of Technicism, they're not going to ever be quite as happy now, since that failed experiment was mostly dropped). Still, even here it can improve things.

And last sentence here:

A simple trick is to pretend that every year, you are coming into it like a new fan, who doesn't remember the old years, and just let your own tastes judge the new year freely, in the same way your tastes judged the old year. Doesn't mean you'll necessarily like new as much as old, but perhaps it can help.

That is basically the same thing you said. :)

 

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