Actually there is a way to get free and legal music. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to mention this but Qtrax has advertising companies etc. By downloading music, that company gets advertised. Then they give money to whoever (The artist) got downloaded and so many times etc. So it works out like this:

Artist = Happy

Company = Happy

Customer (You) = Happy

I recommend it to anyone who loves music but I still prefer the material. Which is why I get the most amount of CD's I can possibly afford.

-k-

I also dislike the music and film industries. They shouldn't see any money I don't see fit to give them. For example, I would always pay for music from local or smaller bands, but the super-rich celebrity types? I think they can do without another Ferrari.

That's just a personal opinion (which you are totally entitled to). Although I may agree with you to some extent, stealing is still stealing; whether or not the person should have more money.

Actually there is a way to get free and legal music. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to mention this but Qtrax has advertising companies etc. By downloading music, that company gets advertised. Then they give money to whoever (The artist) got downloaded and so many times etc. So it works out like this:

 

Artist = Happy

Company = Happy

Customer (You) = Happy

 

I recommend it to anyone who loves music but I still prefer the material. Which is why I get the most amount of CD's I can possibly afford.

 

-k-

I actually have heard of instances like that, and I'd assume that that's OK, but I don't know any people that obtain their music through a company like that.

Argy

I take the stance that, if music downloading isn't legal, it would also be illegal to lend your friends CD's. It would be illegal to check out CD's from the library. Etc. The way I see it, music downloading is exactly the same thing. Someone out there bought the album, and chooses to make it available to me. I gladly take them up on that offer.

Another thing; what if there are songs out there on CD's I can't get? Rare demos and such? How else am I able to enjoy the artist's music, and then possibly enjoy it enough to buy some?

All in all, I don't mind "illegal" downloading. I buy CD's, such as new releases, occaisionally, and I download them. I'm just glad some artists (such as Disturbed) are actually okay with that.

Might I mention that if you only want one song and not the entire album, you just search it, and there you go.

~AA

I take the stance that, if music downloading isn't legal, it would also be illegal to lend your friends CD's. It would be illegal to check out CD's from the library. Etc. The way I see it, music downloading is exactly the same thing. Someone out there bought the album, and chooses to make it available to me. I gladly take them up on that offer.

 

Another thing; what if there are songs out there on CD's I can't get? Rare demos and such? How else am I able to enjoy the artist's music, and then possibly enjoy it enough to buy some?

If you're borrowing a friend's CD, that's fine, because you aren't illegally making a copy of it. It's still a single copy, and it still belongs to your friend. About your second statement, try iTunes. Their music collection has all sorts of rare sets of songs, etc., and anything they don't have, you can request.

Might I mention that if you only want one song and not the entire album, you just search it, and there you go.

 

~AA

That would also be an iTunes thing. You can buy a single song for 99 cents if you don't want the entire album.

Argy

But what if I made a bunch of copies, and handed one out to every single person I know? What if I went around handing a copy of it to every single person I came across in the streets? It's the same thing as me copying one for my friend. And it's also the same thing as me putting it on the internet for someone to download (or vice versa).

And yes, iTunes does work. So does the library =D.

But what if I made a bunch of copies, and handed one out to every single person I know? What if I went around handing a copy of it to every single person I came across in the streets? It's the same thing as me copying one for my friend. And it's also the same thing as me putting it on the internet for someone to download (or vice versa).

Yes, all of those are ways of stealing music.

Argy

Da true true question is "why do people make music?" People make music to make money and to share they're creativity. When you "steal" music, you steal from another human being. Your stealing their livelyhood and their creativity.

This is a great description of why I have only 30 second previews of my GarageBand work on nathan8472.com, and not the full songs.

Just the same, you have some really good points.

Argy

Well seeing as I am the co-founder of my band, we only plan to allow people to listen (not download) to the whole song. My friend (The drummer) knows everything we need to set up our own website and all that jazz. Then I can sell EP's at my school and he can put a protection code on it.

-k-

Well seeing as I am the co-founder of my band, we only plan to allow people to listen (not download) to the whole song. My friend (The drummer) knows everything we need to set up our own website and all that jazz. Then I can sell EP's at my school and he can put a protection code on it.

 

-k-

Protection codes are a good idea, but if you have the whole song on the internet without sufficient coding, anyone can download it. It's as simple as this; Right Click, Save Target As. Boom, you've downloaded the song.

Argy

But me making copies and handing them out to people is the same thing as me handing out just one copy to my friend.

No, it isn't. If you're lending that one CD to your friend, that's fine, because that's your CD. You can lend it to whoever you want to. When you buy that CD, you buy the rights to listen to it. You don't get the rights to replicate and redistribute it.

My friend did not pay for the CD, I did. Is my friend stealing now? Absolutely.

No, he isn't stealing, because you bought the listening rights to the CD. The only way that he'd be stealing the music is if while he had it, he copied it.

Am I stealing when I take music from the library? You know it.

Only if you are illegally copying the music. If you aren't copying it, and just listening to it, it isn't stealing.

Am I stealing even when I buy a CD from a second hand store? Yes, because I am not paying the artist, I am paying the secondhand store.

If the CD is coming from a secondhand store, it was already bought once. That first time it was bought, the artist got their money. From that point, the artist doesn't get the money from every time it's bought and sold. Let's say, for example, I sell you one of my GarageBand CDs for $5. I, the artist, got my money. You decide later on that you don't want my CD, so you sell it to a secondhand store for whatever amount of money. That store then sells it to someone else. Do I demand $5 from the store because they sold my CD? No, of course not; it doesn't work that way.

Argy

"Yeah, but I won't get caught." Is this true? I believe it is. The technology for finding and "busting" illegal music downloaders is there, but isn't usually put to use.

Not YET. But the record of what you do on the 'net is mostly already there. I would think anyone who's lived through the last few years would know that in the future the gov can decide to crack down on these sorts of things and then people who break those laws get into trouble. It's happened already and is gearing up to happen even more.

The real reason to pay is this -- do you like the music? If so, you want it to stick around, right? So support it financially. When you steal music, you're not supporting it. You're sending a mixed message -- "I like this music and I want more, but I also don't want more and want music artists to stop making it."

You're shooting yourself in the foot, basically.

Once you understand that, it's easy to follow the law. Doing so is in your self-interest.

You're shooting yourself in the foot, basically.

lol, it's true

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"Yeah, but I won't get caught." Is this true? I believe it is. The technology for finding and "busting" illegal music downloaders is there, but isn't usually put to use.

Not YET. But the record of what you do on the 'net is mostly already there. I would think anyone who's lived through the last few years would know that in the future the gov can decide to crack down on these sorts of things and then people who break those laws get into trouble. It's happened already and is gearing up to happen even more.

 

The real reason to pay is this -- do you like the music? If so, you want it to stick around, right? So support it financially. When you steal music, you're not supporting it. You're sending a mixed message -- "I like this music and I want more, but I also don't want more and want music artists to stop making it."

 

You're shooting yourself in the foot, basically.

 

Once you understand that, it's easy to follow the law. Doing so is in your self-interest.

Somehow, I thought you'd comment on this entry. Anyway, well said Bones, as usual.

Argy

Bones made a really good point, a point which is part of the reason I've been buying lots of music lately.

But me making copies and handing them out to people is the same thing as me handing out just one copy to my friend.

No, it isn't. If you're lending that one CD to your friend, that's fine, because that's your CD. You can lend it to whoever you want to. When you buy that CD, you buy the rights to listen to it. You don't get the rights to replicate and redistribute it.

But if my friend then loads that CD to his computer (which is what I meant all along, hardly anybody uses a CD player anymore ), and puts it on his mp3 player, did he not just steal? Yes, he did. So really, all I can do is force my friend to either buy his own copy, or send us all back to the stone age of CD players.

My friend did not pay for the CD, I did. Is my friend stealing now? Absolutely.

No, he isn't stealing, because you bought the listening rights to the CD. The only way that he'd be stealing the music is if while he had it, he copied it.

See above.

Am I stealing when I take music from the library? You know it.

Only if you are illegally copying the music. If you aren't copying it, and just listening to it, it isn't stealing.

But yes, I am copying it to my computer. That is the intention. I am not listening to it for a week then returning it, I own the music from now until it is deleted. Did I just steal? Yes. Did the library help me? Yes.

Am I stealing even when I buy a CD from a second hand store? Yes, because I am not paying the artist, I am paying the secondhand store.

If the CD is coming from a secondhand store, it was already bought once. That first time it was bought, the artist got their money. From that point, the artist doesn't get the money from every time it's bought and sold. Let's say, for example, I sell you one of my GarageBand CDs for $5. I, the artist, got my money. You decide later on that you don't want my CD, so you sell it to a secondhand store for whatever amount of money. That store then sells it to someone else. Do I demand $5 from the store because they sold my CD? No, of course not; it doesn't work that way.

 

Argy

No, but it is the same thing as taking from the library, or giving a copy to my friend, or downloading from the internet. Someone out there paid for a copy. Wherever it goes from the first copy, the artist won't make any more money. Why should anyone else?

If you or your friend does end up downloading the music to their computer, then yes, that is stealing.

For your last statement: Why should anyone in B/S/T make money off of their BIONICLE trades? LEGO isn't getting anymore money off of the deal, so why should anyone else make money off of selling them? It's the same thing.

Argy

In accordance with your quote above...

If I could take their BIONICLE figure, and make a duplicate of it, I would.

If I could take their BIONICLE figure, and make a duplicate of it, I would.

And that statement sums up the entire entry. It comes down to a simple disagreement in our morals.

You would, I wouldn't.

However, going back to what bonesiii said, if we like BIONICLE, we should financially support them. If everyone went around duplicating other peoples' BIONICLE sets, LEGO would lose money and it would no longer be profitable for LEGO to continue making BIONICLE. It would cease.

Argy

And that's why I buy Bionicle. But if someone were to come up to me on the street, perchance with an old set I've had trouble finding, and offered it to me as they have an unlimited amount, then yes, I would take it. But I would still buy new sets, because I can get them myself.

Even if the new (now $13) sets were available to you for free?

Argy