Wrinkledlion X

OH YEAH. I forgot about that. That was because Vitara was subtly influencing him so that Krahiki would get himself Krana'd. 

Good times, my friend, good times. 

pSHAW whatever man guess you'll go to your grave without seeing how Krahiki escapes his krana

I mean I don't care

but

hey

hey Wrikledlion

I totally remember following your Krahiki epics I don't remember if I ever commented on them but they were wicked cool did you ever finish book 2)

nah, but I can give you spoilers if you're into that

Rapid-analysis by Willess:

 

There's some kind of flag, there's a stone bridge with a platform with two canisters reminiscient of the Manas canisters from... some game.  The stone is stacked, as if making a Po-Metru sculpture, there's a briefcase leaning against it, and storm clouds in the sky, with what looks like a cloudy Scarabax head behind the mask, dcould be clouds, or could be something we can't see cause the mask is in the way.

Where's the flag?

The Turaga named the southern point of the island "Kauae Bay" which literally translates to "Chin bay" in the Māori language. Also going off the image of the infected hay, it almost symbolizes the mata-nui robot getting infected by Makita's virus. Almost like a toa wearing an infected mask.

Well the island is also, in effect, a giant mask that Mata Nui is wearing. 

Don't bother convincing yourself of anything. Whether it's a reboot has nothing to do with what you believe, so you might as well roll with the punches instead of getting your hopes up. 

I would love a somewhat more polished version of the MNOLG's style. It obviously looks a bit dated at this point and very Flash, but the aesthetic was really quite nice. If they polished that up and gave it a bit more proper animation, it could be made into something very watchable. 

I think the young fans are going to be displeased that we spoiled half the story for them, that we always seem to be three or four steps ahead. They are going to complain so much, and half of them are going to stay away from here because they don't want to be spoiled. 

Pff, not at all. Kids LOVE spoilers. They aren't so cynical about the need to watch a story unfold "properly." I remember joining in January of 2003 and trying to find out all I could about the Kal, and then when word of the Rahkshi arrived, I jumped over to that and speculated with everybody else about what they could be. Every bit of leaked info was gold.

Everyone, please lighten up. The moment you start getting self-righteous on here, just calm yourself down and remind yourself that you're on a website devoted to children's building toys.

That said, Trueshadow: sexualized Bionicles tend to be extremely awkward, especially when they're in a context that isn't appropriate. If you want to draw sexy ladies, I suggest you go the 1950s pinup route, where the sexualization is appropriate for the genre. You can have all the fun you want with your heavy-lidded eyes and feminine curves in that context. But when you're illustrating actual dramatic scenes and still inserting weird sexual stuff into them, it gives the impression that "highly sexualized" is the only way you know how to draw female characters.

I go to an art school, and I know a guy like this. Everyone hates working with him on projects, because he can't help but inject his sexual fixations into everything he draws, and it comes across as pervy and gets in the way of the story being told. I like the female form as much as anybody, but trying to contort your characters into sexy poses and high heels when the scene apparently involves strangling (?) is just inappropriate and weird. 

To be fair, the MNOLG-style animations from 2002 to 2003 were heavily influenced by anime. They employed limited animation and a lot of anime sound effects/staging: 

http://youtu.be/1xZH_Idw6dE?t=2m35s

There are also a lot of anime hallmarks in the scenes between Huki and Maku during the Ga-Koro episodes. They get spots of blush on their cheeks when they're embarrassed, and I remember a giant drop of sweat appearing on one of the Matoran's masks when he gets nervous.

I was actually the first to connect the place names with facial features, way back in 2008. I posted a topic theorizing that Mata Nui the island and Mata Nui the character were one and the same. Unfortunately I didn't connect the theory to the MU below, or I'd have really been on the right track. (PlanetPerson hit the correct theory like a week after mine.)

For those of you who are shocked that all this was planned out from the beginning, here's a post I made that highlights old concept work, which shows just how thoroughly the entire story was based around the giant robot reveal. 

 

And before anyone asks, yes, the word "Okoto" does have significance.

 

Noun.

 

1. the thing one cannot live without. 

2. a state of mind one achieves while actively fulfilling his or her passion.

 

Adjective.

 

Perfect balance, usually found between financial obligations (work) and recreational activites (play).

 

"I need a little okoto in my life."

"Surfing is my okoto."

 

Where are you sourcing this from?

ALSO: Lord Okkoto

Yeah, the cartoonishly bad attitudes of all the characters in the films kind of undermined the message they were trying to go for. 

Also the fact that "Destiny" in Bionicle is this absurdly complex, arbitrary, predetermined thing. I don't really mind that every character has a predetermined destiny, but it's kind of a bad thing to have in a slogan when it works that way. 

 

I personally don't want to see unity duty destiny to come back. It never made sense, and I think it's been overused by now.

 

You've got to be kidding me. This just makes me lose hope in the world...

 

Have you actually thought about that saying and why it was put there? Is it just suppose to sound cool? NO

 

Unity is your people, your tribe, those that you would fight for and that accept you. Without your unity you are weak. With it, you are strong. You work as a team for the benefit of not just yourself, but those in it.

 

Duty is what you do for your unity. The sacrifices you make, the things you do for it, even if you don't want to. Duty keeps it working and the fundamentals of your unity intact, so it can continue to grow and be. It also gives the unity something to do, something it must commit to, because it should.

 

Destiny, is what keeps the individuals, the parts, of the unity going. It opens up each members future, so not only does the unity matter, but their personal well-being as well. It gives each individual something to strive for and try to find. Destiny is a part of the individuals' story. And, the destiny of the unity, so that it continues to work to find what it really means.

 

Together, the combination creates something amazing. Something that can be related to and understood by more than just robots.

 

Unity, duty and destiny are simple and philosophical, and actually are IMPORTANT to the real world, which is part of what made Bionicle more than just a toy theme. It's what made it great. It taught me as a child what it is to be a hero and a good part of the world. Anyone who thinks they are meaningless and uninportant simply have not bothered to think about it enough.

 

I don't care about the symbol so much, but taking out UDD is taking away so much of the core of Bionicle and would just make it a Hero Factory. And I don't believe it was ever overused. Sure, it was used often, but in the span of ten years not that much. And this slogan was part of the core of Bionicle's story, so saying it was overused is like saying the whole purpose of the story of the heroes fighting for what's right was excessive. Abandoning UDD means giving up, letting evil win. And no matter what people say, good and heroes are not overated. If anything, they are underated. Because they are the ones who fight for more than just themselves. They resist temptation, corruption, and fight for truth, justice, love, mercy, not just because they want to, but it is the right thing to do.

 

Sorry if I sounded rude again, but I really really feel strongly about this. I only mean the best of things here.

 

The first time they introduced UD&D was in Mask of Light, and I remember being weirded out by them constantly shouting it as one, with that awful voice-acting. It was odd how they acted as if it had always been a part of the lore. 

And I don't know how often Unity/Duty/Destiny actually comes up in real life, but I've never had to band together with my tribe to achieve some kind of grand destiny. It made sense in Bionicle, where everybody was part of a giant robot, but to me it sounds oddly fascist when taken out of the context of a kid's story. It would worry me a lot to hear a politician saying something like that—it's kind of like talking about "The Greater Good."

 

 

And the ponyfan resemblance is phonetic. Bioni, Pony doesn't sound similar to you? Weird.

Plus, it rolls off the tongue in a weird, unnatural and/or childish manner, much like the rest of the suggested names.

"Rolls off the tongue in a... childish manner".

 

Really.

 

The pretensions of this fanbase never cease to amaze me. God forbid anything we do sound childish to anyone, even for an utterly inane reason like how it "rolls off the tongue".

 

The similarities to ponyfan (a term that, as a brony, I've scarcely ever heard anybody actually use) never once occurred to me, and I doubt they'd occur to most people. But if they did, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Unless, of course, we're so wrapped up in our delusions of being better and more mature than everyone else that we take offense to being compared to one of the most lively and productive fanbases on the Internet.

 

I don't think this fandom necessarily NEEDS a name, but frankly all the reasons I've heard that people are opposed to a fandom name almost make me ashamed to consider myself a part of this fandom. So many people seem to have locked themselves up in an ivory tower and don't dare do anything that could be perceived as cute, childish, or silly. I don't see what everybody's so scared of — these kinds of lofty, ignorant pretensions are already more embarrassing to us as a community than any name would ever be.

I can see you're point, and I mean you're right. Honestly, I do find myself to be outgrowing this, and I still hang back around icassionally now that Bionicle is coming back since I'm curious in which direction it will take off. A lot of things are percieved as cute childish and silly in this 7+ Lego theme, but I find that a name that (mostly) the older fans are trying to come up with should carry little less of that childishness with it.

I see a name like "Bonklers" as a tacit admission that we all realize we're talking about a toy line aimed at children. It's slightly self-deprecating in a way that says, "Yeah, they're for kids, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy it." 

That degree of self-awareness is much more mature and respectable than desperately pretending that Bionicle isn't aimed at kids.

Yeah, page tabs would work well. Just out of curiosity, though, has there ever been an officially-sanctioned BS02? I feel like there was a site by that name back in like, 2004. 

Perhaps it can inch around like a nasty, face-shaped slug. Or maybe like this?

BS02 would be unnecessarily repetitive and, as fishers64 suggested, contextually confusing for those interested in both storylines.

 

I assume this is only IF canon clashes, and if you ask me, I think TLG is going to at least try not to. The less they have to do with each other, the less likely they are to step on each others' toes.

 

 

I was suggesting it in the event that they do clash. If there are two unrelated, conflicting stories, I think BS01 would become very muddled trying to cover them both. For all characters who appear in both timelines, you could simply include a link to their page on the other wiki.

What's the plan in the event of a total story reboot? Are we going to try and let the two storylines coexist on one wiki, or are we going to make a BS02?

(We're allowed to revive official topics after thirty days, right?)

Very simple, but kinda cute and appealing. I like them!

Probably this... 

There are a few pieces in the MNOLG where they totally sampled music from other sources, and I've always wanted to know where they got them. Tahu's discovery is one scene with sampled music, and this is another; I've heard part of this as background music in a South Park episode.

Anyway, gotta go with this for my favorite: 

Well, close enough. It's the only mask with a movie named after it. 

Plus it's gold. 

Makuta’s speech was particularly significant coming after the events of September 11, 2001. Templar Studios, who created the game for The LEGO Group, is located in lower Manhattan. Many of the employees were at the studio or on their way there when the tragedy, visible from their rooftop, occurred.

Wow, that's really interesting. I always thought Makuta's speech was oddly heavy, considering its context in a children's point-and-click game.

 

 

The characters known as “Matoran” were originally called “Tohunga”. This word, like many of the terms used in BIONICLE in 2001, was taken from the Maori language. Many Maori objected to this practice, and especially the use of the word tohunga (a spiritual adviser and healer). The LEGO Group decided not to use Maori words in future releases and renamed the inhabitants of Mata Nui as “Matoran”. Jala, Maku, and Puku were also eventually renamed Jaller, Macku, and Pewku, respectively.

I just remembered--if you show Nuju's letter to Nokama, and then ask "Who am I?" she'll tell you that "Papu and Rangi have great plans for you." Normally she just says "someone has great plans for you," so it would seem that these names are remnants of an earlier version. I wonder if they were initially planning to attach Polynesian names to the Great Beings.

 

I just replayed MNOG, and feel it's worth mentioning Kapura UP FRONT says "Mata Nui fell here from the sky, and makuta put him into a deep sleep." which, back then didn't say much. but now, it's just flat-out obvious.

I figure he didn't actually know that they lived on Mata Nui's face? Someone please tell me if the inhabitants of the island knew that, since as far as I remember only a few inhabitants of the Matoran Universe actually knew that they lived inside a giant robot.

 

They didn't know.

Though I have wondered why the Turaga's legends seem to hint at the nature of Mata Nui, given that they aren't supposed to be aware of it. Perhaps the story about Mata Nui "descending from the heavens" was a garbled version of some ancient legend, from a time when it was known that Mata Nui would descend from the heavens onto different planets. Whenua, as an archivist, might have been familiar with the old Amaja Circle style of storytelling, but didn't actually understand all the nuances of what the storytelling tropes meant. 

I just null voted. Though Matoro was set up well in advance to be the sacrifice, I agree with CeeCee that Takanuva would have been way more heartbreaking. I've just never cared about Matoro in the same way I care about Takua. 

Did Takanuva really do anything important in 2008 to justify his presence? He had those alternate universe adventures, but they didn't impact the main story, and I know many people weren't big fans of them. Given how special Takanuva is, I always thought it was weird that he didn't have more to do... And consider: had he been the sacrifice, there could have had a tragic echo of Mask of Light, where Jala cradles Takanuva's body instead of the other way around.

On the other hand, maybe Takanuva shouldn't have been involved with multiple legendary masks, as that could feel very redundant. But I can see the arguments for both Matoro and Takanuva.