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The Plea Revisited

Posted by Tufi Piyufi , May 13 2007 · 231 views

Random Ramblings
I think I need to clear up something on what I said half a year ago.

When I said that Nuva shoulder armour just didn't work for breasts and I went over the reasons why, I did not say 'but oh, Rahkshi heads are just superb for the job'.

They're even worse, folks. They're not even remotely the same shape as the real things. They're never positioned (and can't be) in a way that reflects the way the things really work (I'll give you a hint: Roodaka got it backwards). You're not doing a favour if you use them. I can say with the utmost confidence that no, they do not work on your MOC.

Cripes, Roodaka really didn't do anyone any favours this way. Thanks a lot, Lego. From an actual female in charge of looking at what you've wrought, thanks a million. Hats off to you.

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It looks like I'll just be sticking to blocky Samus armour. Nothing seems to work right. I've tried every method of Nuva shoulders. Rahkshi armour has always been right out. Kex proved a while back that the Inika heads look way too weird...

Maybe amorphous, non-revealing armour is the way to go after all.
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Okay. I think I'll take the Rahkshi heads I was using for filler armor in that area of the body in one of my female MOCs off then. But I agree, I can't pose the Nuva shoulder armor right no matter how I try. The open end just doesn't work. And of course, for the obvious reasons you listed before.
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Oh, with the right techniques you can make Nuva Shoulders or Rahkshi Skulls look like said areas... Although I'm still working on how to implement them...

But seriously, they look anatomically correct (And when I put it on the MOC, I'm almost certain you'll agree.)
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cags//cunninghat/2x2b
May 14 2007 08:24 AM
Building with them is sort of a style. And styles don't necessarily need to be anatomically correct.


KABAL.exe
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Tufi Piyufi
May 14 2007 09:28 AM
QUOTE(~Makaru~ @ May 13 2007, 09:53 PM)

It looks like I'll just be sticking to blocky Samus armour. Nothing seems to work right. I've tried every method of Nuva shoulders. Rahkshi armour has always been right out. Kex proved a while back that the Inika heads look way too weird...

Maybe amorphous, non-revealing armour is the way to go after all.

Honestly, compared to the absurd, sometimes gratuitious forms we see today, that prolly is the way to go.

QUOTE(Skiz the Crazy Squirrel @ May 14 2007, 12:09 AM)

Oh, with the right techniques you can make Nuva Shoulders or Rahkshi Skulls look like said areas... Although I'm still working on how to implement them...

But seriously, they look anatomically correct (And when I put it on the MOC, I'm almost certain you'll agree.)

Nuva shoulders I still have hope for, on the right MOC. Rahkshi heads... no. Not with the current way people think of using them.

QUOTE(-KABAL- @ May 14 2007, 06:24 AM)

Building with them is sort of a style. And styles don't necessarily need to be anatomically correct.


KABAL.exe


No, but the least they could be is not totally absurd. Large growths on the chest for the sake of having large 'breasts' on a MOC is something we kinda need to steer away from, eh?

It's funny. You can't get away with not having elbows or knees on your MOC anymore, but hey, you can do whatever you want in terms of breasts. Wanna put something on there that doesn't look remotely like 'em? "Hey, great job on the body!" Maybe it's more sad than funny. I don't know.
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What are your thoughts on Kanohi Pakari? Too flat?

Arpy

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Why not just stick with Mak's idea? Armor that shows the -basic- shape, y'know, just that they're there. There's really no need to show them separate, or define them too much. After all, they're only LEGO Bricks...and thats my two cents. That'll be $1.52 please (payment for my 2 cents, and $1.50 for the bus ride back).
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Toa Matt3695
May 16 2007 05:47 PM
i've seen some mocs where they nuva armor fit, but only because the moc in general was taller.


what kinda piece should u use then?

edit: I've created a female toa of fire moc with the nuva armor. i think it looks good. i'll post pics soon, and see if you think its ok

edit2: I can't show u pics until sunday, cos im going camping.
but i think its ok.


edit3: I got one pic on friday, but couldnt get it up until today. i've recently modified her, so it's outdate. i'll post the link to the pic here (remember, i've modified it to make it better, so expect a couple new pics real soon)

Click here!


edit4: Here is the gallery. Click here.

Also here is a pose: Here

And here is the main pic:
Here ya go

soooo.....is it good?
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You know, sticking giant pieces of armour on the chest of a MOC is just maybe not the only way to make it look feminine. Lego's female characters (the pectorally cursed, high-heeled, pigtailed Roodaka excepted) have never looked obviously feminine, and that hasn't been seen to be a problem.

My view on designing female MOCs: it's the overall vibe of the whole that constitutes femininity or the lack thereof. Soft, tapering shapes, delicate curves, and subtle decorative touches go a long way.

-BC
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Darth Eryzeth
May 30 2007 11:03 AM
Just so you know, Nuva shoulders seem to work in cases like this. Rahkshi Heads don't look it at all.
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Lloyd: the White Wolf
Jun 10 2007 11:33 AM
Hypothetcal Question: If I wanted to make a female MoC, couldn't use Nuva shoulders od Rahkshi heawds, what would I use? dry.gif

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Pinball Wizard
Jun 15 2007 01:12 AM
QUOTE(Wysp @ Jun 10 2007, 11:33 AM)

Hypothetcal Question: If I wanted to make a female MoC, couldn't use Nuva shoulders od Rahkshi heawds, what would I use? dry.gif

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You could just accept the fact that you have to be an extremely skilled "MOCist" to make any piece work as a breast.
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Tufi Piyufi
Jun 16 2007 01:45 PM
QUOTE(Arpy @ May 14 2007, 08:56 AM)

What are your thoughts on Kanohi Pakari? Too flat?

Arpy

Honestly, it depends on the MOC.

QUOTE(Kame @ May 15 2007, 09:13 PM)

Why not just stick with Mak's idea? Armor that shows the -basic- shape, y'know, just that they're there. There's really no need to show them separate, or define them too much. After all, they're only LEGO Bricks...and thats my two cents. That'll be $1.52 please (payment for my 2 cents, and $1.50 for the bus ride back).

Because that wouldn't be as 'hot', I suppose. I'm really not sure why people keep on with it the way they do. I don't suppose I'll ever know. This here's still a grand solution, though.

QUOTE(Toa Matt3695 @ May 16 2007, 03:47 PM)

i've seen some mocs where they nuva armor fit, but only because the moc in general was taller.


what kinda piece should u use then?

edit: I've created a female toa of fire moc with the nuva armor. i think it looks good. i'll post pics soon, and see if you think its ok

edit2: I can't show u pics until sunday, cos im going camping.
but i think its ok.


edit3: I got one pic on friday, but couldnt get it up until today. i've recently modified her, so it's outdate. i'll post the link to the pic here (remember, i've modified it to make it better, so expect a couple new pics real soon)

Click here!


edit4: Here is the gallery. Click here.

Also here is a pose: Here

And here is the main pic:
Here ya go

soooo.....is it good?

That configuration looks more like male pecs. It bears no resemblance to female breasts at all. I'm sorry.

QUOTE(Wysp @ Jun 10 2007, 09:33 AM)

Hypothetcal Question: If I wanted to make a female MoC, couldn't use Nuva shoulders od Rahkshi heawds, what would I use? dry.gif

w.gif

Something that fits the MOC.

Folks, part of the problem here is that you're looking for a one-piece-fits-all thing. You don't try this with other parts of the body: why do you do it here? Fewer shortcuts and more thinking, please.
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Toa Matt3695
Jun 16 2007 06:57 PM
QUOTE(Tufi Piyufi @ Jun 16 2007, 01:45 PM)

QUOTE(Arpy @ May 14 2007, 08:56 AM)

What are your thoughts on Kanohi Pakari? Too flat?

Arpy

Honestly, it depends on the MOC.

QUOTE(Kame @ May 15 2007, 09:13 PM)

Why not just stick with Mak's idea? Armor that shows the -basic- shape, y'know, just that they're there. There's really no need to show them separate, or define them too much. After all, they're only LEGO Bricks...and thats my two cents. That'll be $1.52 please (payment for my 2 cents, and $1.50 for the bus ride back).

Because that wouldn't be as 'hot', I suppose. I'm really not sure why people keep on with it the way they do. I don't suppose I'll ever know. This here's still a grand solution, though.

QUOTE(Toa Matt3695 @ May 16 2007, 03:47 PM)

i've seen some mocs where they nuva armor fit, but only because the moc in general was taller.


what kinda piece should u use then?

edit: I've created a female toa of fire moc with the nuva armor. i think it looks good. i'll post pics soon, and see if you think its ok

edit2: I can't show u pics until sunday, cos im going camping.
but i think its ok.


edit3: I got one pic on friday, but couldnt get it up until today. i've recently modified her, so it's outdate. i'll post the link to the pic here (remember, i've modified it to make it better, so expect a couple new pics real soon)

Click here!


edit4: Here is the gallery. Click here.

Also here is a pose: Here

And here is the main pic:
Here ya go

soooo.....is it good?

That configuration looks more like male pecs. It bears no resemblance to female breasts at all. I'm sorry.

QUOTE(Wysp @ Jun 10 2007, 09:33 AM)

Hypothetcal Question: If I wanted to make a female MoC, couldn't use Nuva shoulders od Rahkshi heawds, what would I use? dry.gif

w.gif

Something that fits the MOC.

Folks, part of the problem here is that you're looking for a one-piece-fits-all thing. You don't try this with other parts of the body: why do you do it here? Fewer shortcuts and more thinking, please.



aww, man. i made a second version, and its better (i think)
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QUOTE(Eryzeth @ May 30 2007, 07:03 AM)

Just so you know, Nuva shoulders seem to work in cases like this. Rahkshi Heads don't look it at all.

Yes, but is that a female?
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Keetongu-Wraith
Jun 17 2007 02:22 PM
Almost all of my MOCs have really original designs, due to the fact i'm running out of usable pieces. I make with whatever is on hand.

EDIT: Wait, HOW did this get here?
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Actually, speaking as a fellow female, Toa Matt's creation actually does bear some resemblance to a female chest, if you blur it out and envision it as more of someone wearing clothes (which submit one's chest to being more rounded and more like his MOC, honestly).

Well, it's not like Lego's ever going to make breast-shaped pieces.
So as bcii said, it probably would be better just to use other methods of making MOCs feminine. Good MOCers can capture subtle things like curviness and different proportions to make their creation look female without going all Amazon (oh, I about exploded when I saw that one topic a long time ago about how to fit huge chests on the Toa Mata and Metru...).

Then again, I've gotten plenty of comments from Non-Bioniclers (??) that the Nuva armor looks like chickstuff. I'd be pretty entertained to see Tahu as a woman.

EDIT: Oh jeez. Not one shoulder plate, but TWO?? As if that helped!
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