I'll admit it, I've used nuva shoulder armor on female mocs before... only because the pieces were of the right side and seemed to work...

Of course, I generally build male mocs, so I don't have much experiance with mocing female characters, so I consider myself a tad inexperienced.

Upon reflection, perhaps the shoulder armor wasn't the best choice...

Oh no you di'int!

You did. But really, I can see why they're used so often. Somebody did it not long after the Nuva came out, I'm sure. People thought it worked, and it attaches easily and in many different ways and areas... Makes sense. But as you explained, it doesn't always fit.

And you know, I used them on both versions of the MOC I made of you, and you said nothing about them. Holding it back, or did they "fit" nicely? D:

And don't think I didn't notice: two entries in one day. Things just keep getting stranger and stranger.

I can proudly say I have never even considered using Nuva plates for chesty bits on lass MOCs. Though I think there is a way to make it work... She must be a Titan, and the shoulder armour must not be used as substance, but as support...

Or I could just weasel out of it and cover it up with chunky armour like in these ladies to avoid having to deal with this. Probably for the best, I suppose.

Or I could just weasel out of it and cover it up with chunky armour like in these ladies to avoid having to deal with this. Probably for the best, I suppose.

I'd much prefer that over some stuff I've seen. Talk about wonky proportion. >_<

You'll be happy to not that I'm not much of a MOCist, so you won't see any of that in my non-existent MOCs.

You'll be happy to not that I'm not much of a MOCist, so you won't see any of that in my non-existent MOCs.

Aye, same here.

Keep this in mind, Kex, a major pet peeve of Tufi....

Luckly, I almost never visit BBC so I don't have an opinion on this subject. Ah, hahahaha...

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This is the probably the oddest plea I've ever heard, that's for sure.

Oh no you di'int!

I so did, minion.

And you know, I used them on both versions of the MOC I made of you, and you said nothing about them. Holding it back, or did they "fit" nicely? D:

Selective memory for the win, apparently... I distinctly recall getting on your case for using 'em.

And don't think I didn't notice: two entries in one day. Things just keep getting stranger and stranger.

I'm gonna outblog you, minion. Gonna blog circles around you.

I can proudly say I have never even considered using Nuva plates for chesty bits on lass MOCs. Though I think there is a way to make it work... She must be a Titan, and the shoulder armour must not be used as substance, but as support...

Exactly the criteria I provided above. Alas, the current conception seems to be that they're perfectly acceptable on Toa-sized MOCs. They really, truly, aren't, as mentioned all throughout the entry.

Or I could just weasel out of it and cover it up with chunky armour like in these ladies to avoid having to deal with this. Probably for the best, I suppose.

If that's weaselling, then I demand a forum filled with your furry-tailed brethren. I actually remember coming across them in the entry topic and thanking each and every monkey god you hadn't gone for the easy way out. Oh, and Schizo, too. Both of your guys's entries are fond memories of that contest.

Except the heels. Didn't like the whole heels thing, and I could prolly do a whole other (though likely smaller) entry on why I don't like heels on most MOCs (or artistic renditions of most female characters, come to think of it). Still, the above aspect redeems you.

This is the probably the oddest plea I've ever heard, that's for sure.

Not if you've spent time in BBC.

How can we resist a plea from our Empress? I'll swear to try and be more imaginative from now on. If it's any consolation, I didn't use them on my Femme Fatale entry either. But I have done fairly recently, and I plead stupidity.

Seranikai

Yeah, Kyra's suffering from Barbie syndrome a bit, Sera. (I swear I'll get that Iron MOCist prize finished before New Year's...)

I'll probably be making a second version of Wildchild between this and a year, so that gives me the opportunity to find a new design for the bust. Perhaps that, if it proves simple enough, it'll catch on and replace the Nuva design, but as I've not even a concept so far, it's all pretty much up in the air.

Not if you've spent time in BBC.

Nay, I agree. More in the sense of "10 years ago, if someone told me that, it would've been quite possibly the single most disturbing moment of my life" odd.

i agree tho mikerahk your female toa was pretty good as she said "if positined right" they can look good. i personally have not MOCed any female toa and i personally would probabely use nuva shoulder plates but only with careful observation. but be careful not to overuse them for MOCs

So, What if the MOC Is at a larger scale, about as tall as Brutaka or so?

I'll probably be making a second version of Wildchild between this and a year, so that gives me the opportunity to find a new design for the bust. Perhaps that, if it proves simple enough, it'll catch on and replace the Nuva design, but as I've not even a concept so far, it's all pretty much up in the air.

Oh, do give it a shot. Anything that pulls people away from the protodermic gratuities, I'm all for. I'll even Global about in Comedies if it frees up the time.

So we are not aloud to do this in BBC MOC's then? Ihave never used them before, but i've seen them been used in that way

Not by any means, as explained here:

However, there still remains the issue of the shoulder armour. That isn't so easy. I can't exactly make it a rule: yeah, there might be a thing or two wrong with that. I can't go to each of your houses and pry the pieces away from you before you make such a placement. Really, the most I can do is ask you to seek out other options, and frankly, that's the only route I'd take, even if the others were open. This has to be a voluntary thing: you have to be willing to find other, better options.

It's not a rule thing: it's just one of Those Things That Should Not Be Done.

i agree tho mikerahk your female toa was pretty good as she said "if positined right" they can look good. i personally have not MOCed any female toa and i personally would probabely use nuva shoulder plates but only with careful observation. but be careful not to overuse them for MOCs

Overuse isn't so much the issue: it's misuse. (The full problem is overuse of a misuse, but the misuse is the step before the overuse.) As stated above, you can't just slap Nuva shoulder armour on there and expect it to look good. I have yet to see them on a MOC big enough and with all the other proportions decent enough (primarily the torso) to justify Nuva shoulder armour.

So, What if the MOC Is at a larger scale, about as tall as Brutaka or so?

I'm hesitant to say anything either way. It really depends on if all her other proportions are done up right, as mentioned above. The primary issue is, this shouldn't be something you just slap on because 'they kinda look right' with no regard for proportion, shape, or anything else like that.

Sounds like you have a thing against watermellons.

Sounds like you have a thing against watermellons.

Watermelons, the fruits, are just fine and dandy. Perhaps a bit messy at times, but otherwise a fine bit of plant.

However, the form of the watermelon is so very incredibly wrong for representing breasts. In shape, it is wrong (for one thing, they aren't all one entity); in size, it is wrong; overall, it really looks like you took a fairly large watermelon and just staple-gunned it to her chest.

That one in particular just comes across as 'big breasts for the sake of big breasts hehehehehe breasts'. In so many cases, if the builder took the time to work out something other than the shoulder armour bit, they'd wind up with something looking a whole lot more natural, and quite possibly even smaller than Nuva armour would have been.

You know, I agree with you, Tufi, in some situations they just look completely outrageously bad (I won't say on whose Mocs), not to mention that some do look like watermelons.

But you aren't banning them altogether, are you? I mean, for example, I made a Toa of Water that I think looks very good, but she utilizes them. And though they fit her, don't stick out too much, and aren't watermelons, you aren't going to penalize me when I post her in my Moc topic, are you?

Please, can we use them in situations where it does look good?

You know, I agree with you, Tufi, in some situations they just look completely outrageously bad (I won't say on whose Mocs), not to mention that some do look like watermelons.

 

But you aren't banning them altogether, are you? I mean, for example, I made a Toa of Water that I think looks very good, but she utilizes them. And though they fit her, don't stick out too much, and aren't watermelons, you aren't going to penalize me when I post her in my Moc topic, are you?

 

Please, can we use them in situations where it does look good?

Once again, from the above entry:

However, there still remains the issue of the shoulder armour. That isn't so easy. I can't exactly make it a rule: yeah, there might be a thing or two wrong with that. I can't go to each of your houses and pry the pieces away from you before you make such a placement. Really, the most I can do is ask you to seek out other options, and frankly, that's the only route I'd take, even if the others were open. This has to be a voluntary thing: you have to be willing to find other, better options.

This isn't a rule thing: this is a Stop Using This As A Crutch thing. This is a Take The Time To Make Something That Actually Fits thing. As said, this is one of Those Things That Should Not Be Done. The thing is, in so many of the instances where people have used Nuva shoulder armour, they really did think that it really did fit. It didn't. This isn't just about the 'watermelon' configuration: this applies to ones where they were arranged more 'normally'.

The entire entry is about using them in situations where it does look good: however, as mentioned above, in all my years in BBC, I have yet to see a MOC where they actually looked good. They need to be used on MOCs with the right size and proportions: when that MOC comes, she will be a fair bit larger than a Toa, I assure you.

Sounds like you have a thing against watermellons.

Watermelons, the fruits, are just fine and dandy. Perhaps a bit messy at times, but otherwise a fine bit of plant.

 

However, the form of the watermelon is so very incredibly wrong for representing breasts. In shape, it is wrong (for one thing, they aren't all one entity); in size, it is wrong; overall, it really looks like you took a fairly large watermelon and just staple-gunned it to her chest.

 

That one in particular just comes across as 'big breasts for the sake of big breasts hehehehehe breasts'. In so many cases, if the builder took the time to work out something other than the shoulder armour bit, they'd wind up with something looking a whole lot more natural, and quite possibly even smaller than Nuva armour would have been.

Wow, you hate people making Lady Mocs with Nuva shoulder plate breasts, and it seems that you are obsessed with that word since you say it so much.

And it's funny that you hate fruit cause you think they look like breasts.

And Seranikai's new Moc, Kyra, which I probably shouldn't mention has them......Don't kill me! Ah!

~Evilpanther93~

See, this is why I made a mosquito for BBC #30, not a humanoid. ;P

See, this is why I made a mosquito for BBC #30, not a humanoid. ;P

Lol, that's funny.

~Evilpanther93~

Yeah, I'm so going for a Killer Queens redux using them Nuvy Plates out of spite. IT CAN BE DONE!

They better be big enough to justify it or it'll be your sig, bloggie.

Wow, you hate people making Lady Mocs with Nuva shoulder plate breasts, and it seems that you are obsessed with that word since you say it so much.

 

And it's funny that you hate fruit cause you think they look like breasts.

 

And Seranikai's new Moc, Kyra, which I probably shouldn't mention has them......Don't kill me! Ah!

 

~Evilpanther93~

I'm not obsessed: I just don't get the giggle fits when I call them by their proper name. It's much better than breaking into all the slang terms, anyhow. And, as stated all throughout the entry, I strongly dislike seeing Nuva shoulder armour used for breasts because they don't fit any of the MOCs I've seen them used on. None. They just come across as somewhat lazy (since the time should have been spent on coming up with a design that fits that particular MOC... I mean, people nag on others for not making custom everything else all the time, right?), and sometimes, depending on how the builder presents their MOC in both pose and description, as excessively large for the sake of large breasts for the sake of having an 'attractive' MOC, for lack of a more appropriate term.

I don't hate fruit because they look like breasts. I love fruit. I hate the MOC breasts that bear a resemblance to a watermelon, which in turn bears no resemblance to either one or two breasts whatsoever. There is a distinct difference.

This is me wanting to see people try a little harder to represent a gender and its specific features more accurately instead of resorting to an old crutch. Discussion does not equal obsession.

See, this is why I made a mosquito for BBC #30, not a humanoid. ;P

And for that, you are glorious, not only because you didn't use the protodermic gratuities, but also because you didn't make another infernal humanoid.