Since you said Anything but Nuva shoulder armor for Breast plates, how about the new Inika heads? Hmm... now to think of it, that's just plain stupid. How about Rahkshi heads? Kinda like Roodaka.

~Evilpanther93~

O__o

I think the Foresaker of Puffins is right. Come to think of it, I don't think I realized how agonizing the quiet chaos behind Nuva Shoulder armor as certian body parts was until now. Heck, looking now I realize that they are kinda like those stuffed hunting trophies you see mounted on a wall. They stick out a litte too much and look down right creepy the more you look at em' both. *shudders* , I shall take this advice into hand for the Mistress of Bzp and myself. Tohu have mercy on the souls of those who ignore this advice.

Kativa

Since you said Anything but Nuva shoulder armor for Breast plates, how about the new Inika heads? Hmm... now to think of it, that's just plain stupid.

Kex would be displeased with that comment.

They better be big enough to justify it or it'll be your sig, bloggie.

It shoulda been my sig long ago.

Since you said Anything but Nuva shoulder armor for Breast plates, how about the new Inika heads? Hmm... now to think of it, that's just plain stupid.

Should I delete it or wait till he kills me? Why?

 

~Evilpanther93~

I've never even considered doing something like that... I'd probably feel embarrassed, making pieces like that... So I only ever make bloke MOCs... Yeah, that probably sounds really lame...

-=:=-

Sorry if this is silly, but right now I'm laughing like a kitty cat.

Still, I find that that was perhaps the craziest BBC's yet. Glad to know you've put in some insight into the female world

(Three years? Wow, that truly is astounding.)

I totaly agree, people are getting mad over what seems to be a releif to me, I have only ever made one female moc, and I did what I could to stay away from this, I feel that this not only objectifies women completely, but also resembles lack of creativity, I will link this into my sig, I really agree that this should stop. Also, is this any better? I really don't want to be a hag about it, but, whatever.

-UTM

This is the closest I could find to making them Nuva shoulders work, curteousy of Toa-Ju (not a BZP member as far as I know. Or probably even English-speaking). But even still, it looks disgraceful.

Is the idea doomed to obscurity after all?

First off, I want to say that breasts are a wonderful invention. Without mammary glands, the mammals would have died out long before we had a chance to steal fire from the gods or pilot our dogsleds over the sky. They're a symbol of motherhood and providence that's deeply embedded in our primal consciousness.

So it's not surprising that a Lego creation representing a female humanoid would seem incomplete without some reference to breasts. Never mind that Bionicle characters are biomechanical, with a system of coming into being that has nothing to do with childbirth or infancy, rendering female lactation an utter absurdity. The fact is that a female Bionicle creation with breasts in some form looks more female than the same creation with no breasts.

Now it comes to the point: what form should they take? My answer: whatever form you darn well please, as long as you realize that the double-Ds on a size 3 physique, the watermelon monobosom, or the "benches 2000 pounds" look are going to make one supreme global monarchess with wide-ranging modly powers VERY ANNOYED with you.

On a personal note, my MOCist mind is coming up with ideas for an all-new version of the Tufi MOC. This time, the above proviso will act as a Binding Law Cast in Iron and Stone. Because I like my head right where it is, thank you.

-BC

It shoulda been my sig long ago.

Well, then I'd make up for all the previous if ever you fall out of line again.

I totaly agree, people are getting mad over what seems to be a releif to me, I have only ever made one female moc, and I did what I could to stay away from this, I feel that this not only objectifies women completely, but also resembles lack of creativity, I will link this into my sig, I really agree that this should stop. Also, is this any better? I really don't want to be a hag about it, but, whatever.

 

-UTM

I wouldn't go so far as to say that all MOCs using this configuration are symbols of objectification: just the ones where the rest of the body (hips, legs, those infernal heels) and the presentation (posing, the text in the opening post, name, so on) lend evidence to such a state. However, I regret that I've seen MOCs like that in BBC, and in several instances, I've had to close topics because some people couldn't keep their hormones under control.

For crying out loud, 'she's' just a bunch of pieces of plastic.

And I'm afraid that the torso doesn't look that great, be it for a female, male, or indeterminate MOC: the fact that the centre is jutting out so far (when it's more depressed than anything on the chests of both genders) is rather unsettling. Still, the fact that you avoided resorting to the old crutch is admirable.

This is the closest I could find to making them Nuva shoulders work, curteousy of Toa-Ju (not a BZP member as far as I know. Or probably even English-speaking). But even still, it looks disgraceful.

 

Is the idea doomed to obscurity after all?

Oh dear.

I'd have known if that had been posted, anyhow: a MOC resembling a 'bunny' would strike immediate feelings of "mother of monkey gods, BBC is going to implode today" and "why, why, why me". There would be permanent etchings in several neural pathways.

Now it comes to the point: what form should they take? My answer: whatever form you darn well please, as long as you realize that the double-Ds on a size 3 physique, the watermelon monobosom, or the "benches 2000 pounds" look are going to make one supreme global monarchess with wide-ranging modly powers VERY ANNOYED with you.

The man knows how to live, folks.

On a personal note, my MOCist mind is coming up with ideas for an all-new version of the Tufi MOC. This time, the above proviso will act as a Binding Law Cast in Iron and Stone. Because I like my head right where it is, thank you.

 

-BC

Hurrah. Best of luck with that.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that all MOCs using this configuration are symbols of objectification: just the ones where the rest of the body (hips, legs, those infernal heels) and the presentation (posing, the text in the opening post, name, so on) lend evidence to such a state. However, I regret that I've seen MOCs like that in BBC, and in several instances, I've had to close topics because some people couldn't keep their hormones under control.

 

For crying out loud, 'she's' just a bunch of pieces of plastic.

>__o . For the luva- yech. Talk about the good, the bad,and the just plain ugly *coughthatplayboybunnymocwasdownrightwrongcoughcough*

Yeesh, Tufi. Looks like your the one who's left to deal with the down right ugly ones....

I don't wanna be a Moderator for bionicle based creation forums anymore.... *sucks thumb*

But anyways, while I think that overreacting to such things when it's just a hunk of plastic seems a bit over-reactive, that uh.... BUNNY moc.... I don't think I could blame some people for going "omg what the heck!?!" Because that moc is just.... *shudders*

Puffin. You. win.

That's all...you just win.

-Janus

I don't understand, Why can't we use them?

EDIT: If you're complaining about Female MOC's, Blame Bionicle too, The word Roodaka comes to mind

Not sure what to say.

Though I agree that most female MOCs use the shoulder armor breasts WAY out of preportion, there ARE ways to make it work on a costom Toa. Like building them in deeper onto the torso, then over-lapping with other peices. It can be done.

>__o . For the luva- yech. Talk about the good, the bad,and the just plain ugly *coughthatplayboybunnymocwasdownrightwrongcoughcough*

Yeesh, Tufi. Looks like your the one who's left to deal with the down right ugly ones....

I don't wanna be a Moderator for bionicle based creation forums anymore.... *sucks thumb*

Someone's gotta deal with all this. And as for 'wrongness'... if you think this is hitting you hard, try looking at all those MOCs and thinking "is this really how they view my gender?". For years. And one contest. And also when buzzing around in Artwork.

That last one's an issue for another entry, though. Another time.

Puffin. You. win.

 

That's all...you just win.

 

-Janus

Someone really really really needed to say it. Much joy to Dimensioneer for bringing the perfect platform for all this.

I don't understand, Why can't we use them?

 

EDIT: If you're complaining about Female MOC's, Blame Bionicle too, The word Roodaka comes to mind

1) I believe this is the fourth time I've quoted this:

However, there still remains the issue of the shoulder armour. That isn't so easy. I can't exactly make it a rule: yeah, there might be a thing or two wrong with that. I can't go to each of your houses and pry the pieces away from you before you make such a placement. Really, the most I can do is ask you to seek out other options, and frankly, that's the only route I'd take, even if the others were open. This has to be a voluntary thing: you have to be willing to find other, better options.

2) As for why they're Not Right, the rest of the entry covers that rather extensively. I have seen no MOC at all that uses them in a way that actually looks good: the sentiment seems to be 'hey I'll just slap these on here because everyone else does and hehehehehe she's got breasts now hehehehehehe breasts'.

Here's the thing about Roodaka though. She had apprpriate armour mounted somewhat properly. It looks the way it should, and doesn't make her look like, oh I don't know, any of the females in that brickshelf folder I linked to earlier.

Actually, Roodaka's 'positioning' looks incredibly uncomfortable to me. They seemed to have been pushed up way too high and apart, and not terribly natural. I may have cringed when I first saw them.

And yes, I could write an entry or two on females in Bionicle. Characterization/stereotyping, the incredible lack of them (why is it so terrible for boys to be exposed to anything other than a vast minority of female characters?), Roodaka, and so on. However, later. Gotta keep up some manner of variety in this blog.

Not sure what to say.

 

Though I agree that most female MOCs use the shoulder armor breasts WAY out of preportion, there ARE ways to make it work on a costom Toa. Like building them in deeper onto the torso, then over-lapping with other peices. It can be done.

In theory, it can be done, but it has not been done. There is no instance of Nuva armour being used in a decent way whatsoever. I would say that, for Toa and smaller, they are to be avoided completely. For larger MOCs, she needs to have all her other proportions straight before you can attempt to work them in. This needs to stop being something people just slap on because 'hey, they look like breasts, bam, now she has breasts, that's that part done'. People nag on each other for building out-of-whack legs, torsos, arms, and so on all the time. Why do they let this slip on by, and even praise it?

Here's the thing about Roodaka though. She had apprpriate armour mounted somewhat properly. It looks the way it should, and doesn't make her look like, oh I don't know, any of the females in that brickshelf folder I linked to earlier.

Actually, Roodaka's 'positioning' looks incredibly uncomfortable to me. They seemed to have been pushed up way too high and apart, and not terribly natural. I may have cringed when I first saw them.

I think they made Roodaka look, Uhhm, Feminine to apeal to the boys Puberty to Really Girl Crazy auidience, Sorry about that, But I think that what they did that for, And you're complaining about Nuva Armor, think if someone used Rahkshi Heads on a Toa, those would be, Uhhhm, Really Bigger, Sorry, I don't know of a Politicly Correct way of saying that

Someone's gotta deal with all this. And as for 'wrongness'... if you think this is hitting you hard, try looking at all those MOCs and thinking "is this really how they view my gender?". For years. And one contest. And also when buzzing around in Artwork.

 

That last one's an issue for another entry, though. Another time.

OUCH. That's got to be just rubbing salt in the wound. And yeah, I have a feeling that the artwork forum is another, ugly , story. What can we do to stop this? It's just wrong! Lol, Isound like some high school protester. Bring on the riot police and the tear gas! WOOT!

I think they made Roodaka look, Uhhm, Feminine to apeal to the boys Puberty to Really Girl Crazy auidience, Sorry about that, But I think that what they did that for, And you're complaining about Nuva Armor, think if someone used Rahkshi Heads on a Toa, those would be, Uhhhm, Really Bigger, Sorry, I don't know of a Politicly Correct way of saying that

The Rahkshi heads aren't that great an alternative: it makes her look like her breasts were made of soft clay and one time, she hit a wall and she hasn't been able to reshape them since.

And yes, it's perfectly acceptable to say 'bigger' in this instance.

I seriously agree with your entry, and you of course. I see people use that sort of method too much, and I'm getting sick of it because it's just wrong. Very, very, insensitive, nasty, foolish, immature, and wrong. I've seen waaay too many people who make MOCs with offensive features, and it's sad people don't really put up a mad reaction. I don't post in those sort of MOC topics, they just really make me disgusted. You make a very, very good point and I respect you for that in addition to the duties you have every day are probably not a walk down Easy Street and back. So may whomsoever might think of trying that stupid idea read this excellent entry first.

Breasts themselves aren't offensive features: it's all in how people deal with 'em. It's clear in a fair few MOC topics that the builders just used Nuva shoulder armour simply because everyone else does, and nothing less innocent than that. However, in other topics, it's just as clear that the shoulder armour (or other such large, individual pieces) were used for the sake of a figure the builder could find 'attractive'. The only problem with the former is the whole 'crutch' notion; with the latter, that's where you get the offensiveness, especially since the builders in such a case rarely stop at the breasts.

OUCH. That's got to be just rubbing salt in the wound. And yeah, I have a feeling that the artwork forum is another, ugly , story. What can we do to stop this? It's just wrong! Lol, Isound like some high school protester. Bring on the riot police and the tear gas! WOOT!

Sadly, the problem has been in Artwork for many a season, and Pohuaki's even had to drag in actual rules to cool things off (can't tell you guys how grateful I am that an unofficial blog entry's doing as much as it is for BBC). It's not as bad now, but it still lurks, and, being ex-Artwork myself, I'm definitely gonna say a few things about the situation as it applies to Artwork. But not now. Later. Best to give these things some time.

As for what you-the-public can do about this... well... There's no one great big action that'll stop this for now and forever. It's really more of a bits-and-pieces thing. If you want to help, the best things to do are to not just resort to The Crutch when building; coming up with new, proportional ideas; taking a mature approach to the whole thing; and reporting any inappropriate comments on MOCs you come across. For each person that does those sorts of things, that's one less available to stick gratuitously large breasts on their MOCs and otherwise perpetuate the thoughts behind all that, and I'd say that's a pretty good result.

I think they made Roodaka look, Uhhm, Feminine to apeal to the boys Puberty to Really Girl Crazy auidience, Sorry about that, But I think that what they did that for, And you're complaining about Nuva Armor, think if someone used Rahkshi Heads on a Toa, those would be, Uhhhm, Really Bigger, Sorry, I don't know of a Politicly Correct way of saying that

The Rahkshi heads aren't that great an alternative: it makes her look like her breasts were made of soft clay and one time, she hit a wall and she hasn't been able to reshape them since.

So basicly the problem with the Rahkshi Heads and Nuva Armor isn't the size but the fact their flat??, What are you sugjesting someone would use as a allturnative then??

I think they made Roodaka look, Uhhm, Feminine to apeal to the boys Puberty to Really Girl Crazy auidience, Sorry about that, But I think that what they did that for, And you're complaining about Nuva Armor, think if someone used Rahkshi Heads on a Toa, those would be, Uhhhm, Really Bigger, Sorry, I don't know of a Politicly Correct way of saying that

The Rahkshi heads aren't that great an alternative: it makes her look like her breasts were made of soft clay and one time, she hit a wall and she hasn't been able to reshape them since.

 

So basicly the problem with the Rahkshi Heads and Nuva Armor isn't the size but the fact their flat??, What are you sugjesting someone would use as a allturnative then??

With the Nuva armour, it's the fact that they're used on MOCs that don't fit them in size at all (the shape itself, as noted in the entry, carries great potential for larger-sized MOCs, unrealized though it may be). With Rahkshi heads, it's the fact that they're more like fat flat ovals, which isn't the shape in the least.

As for the alternative, I would wholeheartedly suggest nothing but the same sort of attention spent trying to find a configuration that fits as is given to things like arms, legs, armour, and so on. This isn't a one-size/piece-fits-all thing: the entire entry discusses what that sort of attitude has brought about. It's up to the builder to try out different pieces and assemblies to find out what works for that specific MOC.

What peices would you recomend though??

What peices would you recomend though??

This answers your question:

As for the alternative, I would wholeheartedly suggest nothing but the same sort of attention spent trying to find a configuration that fits as is given to things like arms, legs, armour, and so on. This isn't a one-size/piece-fits-all thing: the entire entry discusses what that sort of attitude has brought about. It's up to the builder to try out different pieces and assemblies to find out what works for that specific MOC.

There isn't any special selections of pieces which would work. It's all up to the MOCer to decide (if not build around) what pieces would look best. There is no 'instant-win' for this problem.

Oh, an Tufi? About Roodaka. All I meant is that considering Lego's known ability to skew proportions (egads, Sidorak's waist should be enough proof) hideously, that the Rahkshi armour is one of the better choices that they could have used. Not to mention in terms of 'generousity', they were quite modest. I do not condone the construction, which in all honsety would scare me to no ends if I should happen upon it in real life. The placement of the shoulders alone...

~Makaru~