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Upon Reflection, A Plea


Tufi Piyufi

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As noted in the previous entry, I've been a BBC moderator for three years as of today. I've seen a lot of MOCs in that time. It'd be madness to try and work out how many (though it would be a fun rainy-day project). I've seen a lot of not-so-fantastic MOCs, but I haven't turned to the System-side philosophy that 'nothing good can come of Bionicle parts' in the least. I've seen an incredible number of generic humanoids-with-weapons of every quality, but I haven't given up on the imagination of the general building populace yet. Generally, I have remained as optimistic as I was three years ago.

 

But, oh, there is one chord that drives me insane every time it's hit. Contest #30? Oh, oh, oh. And it hasn't healed since. It's only grown worse. Thus, the following plea:

 

Please, please, please, use anything but Nuva shoulder armour for the breasts of female MOCs.

 

This is not because they are shaped incorrectly. Indeed, if positioned at the right angle, and placed on a MOC of appropriate scale, they are possibly the best option in such a scenario.

 

However.

 

This hasn't happened yet.

 

Instead, there's MOCs with Toa torsos (and the more custom torsos as well) of all makes with 'em mounted on there, in all sorts of ways. You've got 'em mounted like a big silver watermelon. You've got 'em with the flat tops pointing out and forward, which actually bears an ironic resemblance to male pecs. You've got 'em stuck on there like a Toa Nuva stood in front of her and folded their shoulders in to their chest by ninety degrees. Sometimes, in this last case, they may be tilted a bit.

 

None of these work. None.

 

All you get is a MOC who looks like she's patronized the fine med grads down in Beverly Hills on one (or more) occasions. They (or in the case of the watermelon, it) just sticks out like a pirate at a ninja convention. Unfortunately, this tends to prompt some rather inappropriate comments from the folks replying to the topic. Fortunately, neither I or the rest of the BBC staff are willing to put up with this. So, that's one thing we can directly deal with.

 

(And I will freely admit that I have done this for some of my MOCs in the distant past; however, you couldn't pay me enough to do it on a non-joke MOC in the past two years or so. I learned. It's possible.)

 

However, there still remains the issue of the shoulder armour. That isn't so easy. I can't exactly make it a rule: yeah, there might be a thing or two wrong with that. I can't go to each of your houses and pry the pieces away from you before you make such a placement. Really, the most I can do is ask you to seek out other options, and frankly, that's the only route I'd take, even if the others were open. This has to be a voluntary thing: you have to be willing to find other, better options.

 

You don't have to have each and every point of the curve defined. You don't need to differentiate between left and right. Just build something that fits the MOC. In so many cases, that isn't Nuva armour. That isn't a mask for each one. It's something else. It's something smaller. I don't know about individual areas, but the D-cup isn't the average size.

 

Please, please, please give this a shot.

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Such intelligent conversation by the top Moderators of our staff. Leaders of the Forum.

 

Role models for all members to follow.

 

Highly elected by the Administrators.

 

I think I'll go crawl back into my hole now, thank you.

 

~ :kakamanu: ~

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Such intelligent conversation by the top Moderators of our staff. Leaders of the Forum.

 

Role models for all members to follow.

 

Highly elected by the Administrators.

 

I think I'll go crawl back into my hole now, thank you.

 

~ :kakamanu: ~

 

 

You do that :P

 

but anyways I think that the easiest way to avoid such nasty run ins with ridicoulus pamela-anderson sizeds on matoran sized mocs and the crazed " This is just sick, it's innapropriate for our younger members, I SUE YOUZ BZPERS! LOLZ" members who think they're members of the media ratings association or whatever that group is called who are actually making it a problem when the femal moc wasn't a problem in the first place. The easiest way to avoid this, not to mention avoid having a ridiculous looking moc is to make a pair of, uh, female chest parts from scratch that are well poportioned to the female moc size. It's that simple.

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I don't Moc females (or males, for that matter, heck, I don't Moc at all :P ) but from what I've seen, I wholehartedly agree. Just because the thing'll eventually be female doesn't mean you can just slap a couple of Nuva shoulders on them to say "hey, it's a chick, see?" There are a whole range of better and not-so-obvious alternatives. Look at any past (official and Lego designed) female character and tell me how many look the way a lot of these Mocs do (besides you-know-who). I'm not complaining, I'm just saying it's getting kinda annoying to see this time after time after time...

 

-Marauder

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Well that won't work because the only ones are Gali (Both), Nokama (All 3) and Macku (Both) and Hahli (Both) and those are'nt feminine, The only Feminine one is Roodaka and you say that shes got the wrong shape and posistioning and has High Heels, What are you saying we're suposed to do, Take one of the Hockey Sets take the chest Armor (Taking of the NHL sticker of couse) and sticking 2 Zamors inside and slaping it on your MOC, Because that does'nt seem right

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Oh, an Tufi? About Roodaka. All I meant is that considering Lego's known ability to skew proportions (egads, Sidorak's waist should be enough proof) hideously, that the Rahkshi armour is one of the better choices that they could have used. Not to mention in terms of 'generousity', they were quite modest. I do not condone the construction, which in all honsety would scare me to no ends if I should happen upon it in real life. The placement of the shoulders alone...

True. However, it seems to have been more than plenty for the fans... Just take a turn through the Artwork archives and you'll see. The fan reaction alone turned me off the character so strongly and for good. Still... ow they are not supposed to go that high. :blink:

 

But what if the ones that do work best are the Nuva Armor or Rahkshi Heads as there are'nt alot of round Bionicle peices

Then it works. However, the issue here is the fact that people are using them even when they do not work. which happens to be in every instance so far. It's better to say that builders should try using other designs before they have to turn to Nuva armour instead of automatically going for it, just trying to work up a way to connect them and then not giving a second thought to the whole deal.

 

but anyways I think that the easiest way to avoid such nasty run ins with ridicoulus pamela-anderson sizeds on matoran sized mocs and the crazed " This is just sick, it's innapropriate for our younger members, I SUE YOUZ BZPERS! LOLZ" members who think they're members of the media ratings association or whatever that group is called who are actually making it a problem when the femal moc wasn't a problem in the first place. The easiest way to avoid this, not to mention avoid having a ridiculous looking moc is to make a pair of, uh, female chest parts from scratch that are well poportioned to the female moc size. It's that simple.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. You'd swear some people thought the D-cup was the bottom end of the average size, and this goes for both Artwork and BBC. Put your hormones on hold and create something that doesn't look like she'll be suffering serious back problems in a few years.

 

Also, on the flipside you noted, breasts aren't some evil thing. They're a normal part of the female anatomy. If they're not done in some oversized/objectified way, there's no sense in making a big deal over it.

 

I don't Moc females (or males, for that matter, heck, I don't Moc at all :P ) but from what I've seen, I wholehartedly agree. Just because the thing'll eventually be female doesn't mean you can just slap a couple of Nuva shoulders on them to say "hey, it's a chick, see?" There are a whole range of better and not-so-obvious alternatives. Look at any past (official and Lego designed) female character and tell me how many look the way a lot of these Mocs do (besides you-know-who). I'm not complaining, I'm just saying it's getting kinda annoying to see this time after time after time...

 

-Marauder

The current school of thought seems to be 'feminity is another word for breasts.' Also, to a lesser extent, 'feminity can also be used as a word for high-heels.' There's so much that's wrong with this. Folks, it goes way farther than this. Gali wasn't massively endowed or clad in stilettos (seriously, folks, in what universe does it make sense for warriors to wear something that's so hard to balance in?). Yet, she was still pretty darn feminine.

 

Well that won't work because the only ones are Gali (Both), Nokama (All 3) and Macku (Both) and Hahli (Both) and those are'nt feminine, The only Feminine one is Roodaka and you say that shes got the wrong shape and posistioning and has High Heels, What are you saying we're suposed to do, Take one of the Hockey Sets take the chest Armor (Taking of the NHL sticker of couse) and sticking 2 Zamors inside and slaping it on your MOC, Because that does'nt seem right

Note the response above. Feminity is not another word for breasts. It's so much more extensive than that. Gali was quite feminine without eliciting a most startling and inappropriate-for-BZP comment from my mother, unlike Roodaka (I can tell you this, though: I can definitely see where mom was coming from).

 

And if anything, I strongly discourage the Zamor-in-hockey-armour route. I could tell you what sort of girl that would make the figure look like, but my moderator side would kill me so hard.

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Also, on the flipside you noted, breasts aren't some evil thing. They're a normal part of the female anatomy. If they're not done in some oversized/objectified way, there's no sense in making a big deal over it.

 

I didn't say breasts were something evil, but I said that there are people out there who might overeact to anatomical correctness, if y'know what I mean. Heck, I've seen people overeact to such things before outside of Bzp.

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I didn't say breasts were something evil, but I said that there are people out there who might overeact to anatomical correctness, if y'know what I mean. Heck, I've seen people overeact to such things before outside of Bzp.

Yeah, I know. Just expanding on the concept. I knew what you meant: I just wrote that reply a bit too early in the morning, is all. :P

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And if anything, I strongly discourage the Zamor-in-hockey-armour route. I could tell you what sort of girl that would make the figure look like, but my moderator side would kill me so hard.

Then what should you do, There are only 3 ways to make, Uhhm, You know, Nuva armor, Rahkshi Heads or the Zamor in Hockey thing, But I think I see what you mean about the wrong proportions,

http://www.bzpower.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=225907

 

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And if anything, I strongly discourage the Zamor-in-hockey-armour route. I could tell you what sort of girl that would make the figure look like, but my moderator side would kill me so hard.

Then what should you do, There are only 3 ways to make, Uhhm, You know, Nuva armor, Rahkshi Heads or the Zamor in Hockey thing,

As for the alternative, I would wholeheartedly suggest nothing but the same sort of attention spent trying to find a configuration that fits as is given to things like arms, legs, armour, and so on. This isn't a one-size/piece-fits-all thing: the entire entry discusses what that sort of attitude has brought about. It's up to the builder to try out different pieces and assemblies to find out what works for that specific MOC.

Contrary to the same sort of beliefs that got us into this mess, there are not just three different ways to approach this issue.

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However you see fit. Like Tufi said, she isn't going to find where you live and beat you sensless with her glaive if you make a MOC with said proportions. It's your MOC. Do what you want to do with it.

 

But try to keep her message in mind. If you can build around it, even if you don't make a perfect female form, you're better off for learning from her advice.

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I think there was a female rahski moc a while ago(blue as you might have guessed)

that didn't use any thing to make bigbreasts,In fact the builder made use of those mini-fig hats,That's right,those little,flat hats.

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I think there was a female rahski moc a while ago(blue as you might have guessed)

that didn't use any thing to make bigbreasts,In fact the builder made use of those mini-fig hats,That's right,those little,flat hats.

:blink: Are you saying that the only way we should make out MOC's female is to make them blue??

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No,Blue is usually used to refer to water types,and they have been female for a few years,with the execption of bohrok,rahski,krekka,vahki,vezok, and brutaka.

Nearly every six-set had a female(gali,gali nuva,nokama,toa nokama,hahli,maku,macku and more I think.)

You can build any color of female moc,but that person chose to make the blue rahski a female because of the above.To see how it would work out.I've seen someone make a female brutaka(-storm-),It's a stereotype,like "all red characters are firetype."Agreed,fire does mean red moc's,but red moc's does not mean firetype.

 

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:blink: Are you saying that the only way we should make out MOC's female is to make them blue??

 

Bah. A girls don't have to be blue to be a girl. As for custom chest designs *coughuseslizershoulderpadstheylookgoodifporposionedrightthatswhatIdidcough*

 

Well that was phlemmy.

 

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Wow. I am so glad I used a Ruru on Keenara instead of Nuva armor. Which reminds me to get crackin' on that story I turned this PC on to do... Yes, then the world shall witness the awesomeness that is Keenara! Muhuhahaha...

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On behalf of King Kobra. (He doesn't know), I present you what might be the proper use for the Nuva armor.

You might want to look into this topic:

Here

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On behalf of King Kobra. (He doesn't know), I present you what might be the proper use for the Nuva armor.

You might want to look into this topic:

Here

Not really, they're still the wrong size and shape. Anyway, it's still Nuva armour, and Tufi's really trying to get us to be more creative.

 

Seranikai

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Good point. I guess it is angled wrong, isn't it? Nuva armor just doesn't work. What about Rahkshi heads? I've seen a lot of those.

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This whole Lego breasts thing just feels kinda dirty to me...

 

I blame Roodaka. Her Rakshi heads kinda seemed both weird and gratuitous to me...

 

None of the other official female bionicle models even HAD breasts.. The closest they got was the hip-joint on Gali Mata's chest. I'd like to propose an easy fallback solution there... when in doubt, just use the "blue=water=ga-matoran=female" thing and accept that there's some things that are pretty dang hard to make look right and still look bionicley.

 

I've got a Turaga of Water in progress. Do you have any idea how hard it is to make bionicle pieces look like a little old lady? :P

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