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Due to the "no romance" rule, I never put as much though into it as I did into other franchises, but there were three that I remember liking. The obligatory Huki/Maku (or Hewkii/Macku post lawsuit), The villain ship Teridax/Roodaka, And maybe it's just me, but I always liked Helryx/Takanuva

Something that reflects no light (like a black hole) would actually appear black. Black is the result of no color (light) being reflected. Scientists have tried to create a substance that is "truly" black (reflects NO light): this is the closest that they have gotten.

I think it's choice B, but I don't know if there is an official answer.

I get to correct bonesiii on physics!? Let's make this count. (and triple-check it, so I don't make a fool out of myself) First, as far as I can tell, the black hole created by Nuhvok-Kal was not a separate object created by his gravity. He was transformed INTO a black hole by being compressed. At this point, he no longer needs to use his power to sustain the gravity; his body's natural gravity is enough. Any object can become a black hole by reducing it's volume and keeping it's mass constant (and increasing it's density). The amount of compression required to become a black hole is given by Schwarzschild's Radius formula: R=2GM/c2, where R is Schwarzschild's Radius (the radius that, if all the mass of an object were to be compressed inside that radius, the object would become a black hole), G is the universal gravitational constant, and c is the speed of light. The mass of Nuhvok-Kal is unknown, so we can't calculate the radius. We can assume, however, that Nuhvok-Kal shrunk himself to that size and became a black hole. At this point, his elemental power being active or not is meaningless, as he is a natural (and tiny) black hole. At this small of a size, Hawking Radiation would eliminate the Black Hole relatively quickly (compared to black holes of a more realistic mass).

that's kinda why they're called black holes, the void of light makes them show up... black. That's assuming that it is large enough to see. I doubt a black hole made by compressing Nuhvok-Kal would be be visible.

I think someone asked Greg this very question back when that image came out. I think he said no, but I don't really remember.

At this point, he basically a large ball of plasma. If the planet rotated (which it will) he wouldn't carve a tunnel toward the core. He would instead burrow a curved path away from the core.

They are in Canadian Dollars. That's why it seems different from what you expected.

I dug out my old physics textbook to write this. To make my life easier, this analysis assumes that Pahrak-Kal's plasma negates the resistance of the planet, and that he fell directly through the planet's axis of rotation. When Pahrak-Kal initially loses control of his powers he is moving at zero meters per second. (duh) He is accelerating downward at a constant rate of g. On Earth this is 9.8 meters per second per second, but I do not know it's value on Aqua Magna. We will leave it as g. His speed when reaching the core is defined as vf2 = vi2 + (2g)(s). vi = 0, so it's just the square root of 2gs. s is the distance from the surface to the core. I don't know the value, so we leave it as s. Now, leaving the core his acceleration is -g and the initial and final speeds are flipped. Everything else remains the same. So, how far does he travel on the way back? We have another equation. Accounting for gravity giving a negative acceleration: vf2 = vi2 - (2g)(s|), where s| is the distance he travels past the core. This time vf = 0, and vi = sqrt(2gs). so we get 0 = vi2 - (2g)(s|). This simplifies to vi2 = 2g(s|), then (sqrt(2gs))2 = 2g(s|). The square cancels out the square root and you get 2gs = 2g(s|). Divide both sides by 2g and we find out that with no resistance gravity ensures that Pahrak-Kal stops EXACTLY as far away from the core as he started, only on the other side. The process then repeats, with him falling back toward the robot. When we factor in the resistance of the planet on the first pass, as well as air resistance on all of the others; s gets smaller and smaller each time, until he settles in the center. ...Until of course, we realize that he never passes the center because the planet is rotating... THIS, ladies and gentlemen, is why Greg doesn't bother with real-world physics.

If Aqua Magna is a sphere (which it might not be): http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mechanics/earthole.html

While he would eventually end up in the center, it would not happen the way you said it would, assuming real physics. I know that real physics don't apply in Bionicle but... oh, why not. He would actually fall past the center of Aqua Magna and continue toward the other side of the planet. As he did this, however, gravity would be pulling him back toward the center and his speed would decrease until he stopped near (BUT NOT QUITE AT) the other side of the planet. Then, he would fall back toward the center. Once again he would pass the center, and continue toward the surface, this time toward Mata Nui. Once again he would slow down and stop before he reached the surface, but it would happen EVEN SOONER THAN LAST TIME. This would keep happening, until he eventually settled at the core. It doesn't really change your conclusion, but the way you came to it didn't make much sense.

Well, seeing that there isn't a molten core of Aqua Magna, he couldn't have melted. Instead he sat in his hole for all of eternity, or was crushed by the gravity, depending on how deep he made it and how strong his Bohrok-Kal armor was. Uh, out of control plasma power = melting. Wasn't it sort of implied that his armor would be tough enough to resist his own element? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under that impression. It was meant to resist his own element at it's natural power level, not the power he had when he was full of the energy from the Nuva Symbols.

I'm mostly exited for the promised combo-models. Hopefully the multi-headed warrior (Skull Slicer, Skull Basher, and Skull Warrior) will appear in story.

If it did burn through the GSR's face, then the hole would have been healed by the Staff of Artakha.

We now have more information about this post. Not romantic love, no. Follow Up New Information That kind of a behavioral shift is not going to happen in weeks or months. What I am saying is that they are going to have a new emotion and new relationships to observe. It might just be something they find interesting, or it might be something someone down the line tries to emulate. If you assume their AI allows them to learn behavior, will they learn this one? I don't know. But it is not something that is going to happen right away. Make of this what you want.

Which is more canon? Let's look to precedent: Which is more canon? A webgame that wasn't approved by the story team that said that the Toa Kaita defeated the Manas by destroying their heating towers, or a book that WAS approved by the story team and published later that claims that the Toa Kaita defeated the Manas by freezing them. It turns out that the old, obscure, (at the time) out-of-story webgame won this one. (Although the book's insistance that there were only two Manas is also canon, so it is arguably a tie.) Which is more canon? That same same book, which claims that the Toa defeated their shadowy counterparts by using their unity, or the "Encyclopedia Updated" published four years later that claims that the Toa absorbed their shadowy counterparts. It turns out that the NEW, obscure, out of story encyclopedia one this one.hmm... The date of the publishing doesn't seem to have an affect, but in both situations an obscure, out-of-story canon source CHANGED what was present in Story Team Approved work... Okay, you're getting it backwards now. Hapka didn't always adhere to the story team's decisions--this has been stated time and time again. Research this. Kaita freezing the manas and Toa using unity to defeat their shadows was HAPKA'S decision, not necessarily the story team's. It's not the date I'm talking about--it's the mouth/hand by which the info was delivered that's questionable. I never said anything about the date being more definitive. It's late and my sarcasm filters were shutting down when I wrote that, but let's get two things straight. From BS01: Hapka's book WAS approved by the story team... in 2003. They didn't really care about 2001 anymore and just let stuff slide through. I actually agree with you about the dates; I only brought it up to prove that it was meaningless. I purposely picked two examples where an out-of-story factoid canonically replaced an in story fact.

How many heads tall is the robot? It's kind of heard to tell, but it seems to be around 10-12 heads, with each head being smaller than the island of Mata Nui. If we grow the heads so that all of the island fits on it, and use my larger estimate (12 heads), we get a maximum size of 5869.08 km or 19,255,511.81 feet. That's less than half of the 40,000,000 feet from Reign of Shadows. Which is more canon? Let's look to precedent: Which is more canon? A webgame that wasn't approved by the story team that said that the Toa Kaita defeated the Manas by destroying their heating towers, or a book that WAS approved by the story team and published later that claims that the Toa Kaita defeated the Manas by freezing them. It turns out that the old, obscure, (at the time) out-of-story webgame won this one. (Although the book's insistance that there were only two Manas is also canon, so it is arguably a tie.) Which is more canon? That same same book, which claims that the Toa defeated their shadowy counterparts by using their unity, or the "Encyclopedia Updated" published four years later that claims that the Toa absorbed their shadowy counterparts. It turns out that the NEW, obscure, out of story encyclopedia one this one.hmm... The date of the publishing doesn't seem to have an affect, but in both situations an obscure, out-of-story canon source CHANGED what was present in Story Team Approved work...

Um... What? Someone, explain why this is even brought up. First, it was a concept idea that was confirmed to be non-canon, and all we ever saw in the MNR animation was a big robot pushing up through an island. Nowhere besides concept art has this number ever shown up. Second, 40 million has shown up many times in canon, where the other NEVER did. So, tell me how you rationalize a non-canon number being canon. (If it already was mentioned, I apologize for missing it. See, Fishers and Bonesii are two of the few making any sense in this topic. The rest of you are bouncing around so much, cluttering your posts with all of the same. So if it was mentioned, I probably skipped over the post containing it because the author of said post fell into that second category. Just saying.) This can be explained in four steps (again). If you choose to skip over it (again), that is not on us. Mata Nui Rising is a canon video. You did not attempt to dispute this. We know that the canon size of the island of Mata Nui is 489.09 km x 243.86 km. (This seems to be the part that you missed!) We know that the island (of a fixed canon size) is supposed to cover Mata Nui's face. This allows us to calculate the size of the head shown in the (canon) video. With the (canon) size of the head, we can calculate the (canon?) size of the robot. The concept art has nothing to do with it.Whew... please don't make me re-explain this for the 5th time today. It's a bit annoying. Using the (undisputably) canon size of the island of Mata Nui gives us the size of the robot shown in the canon video. This makes that size canon as of the release date of that video. Greg Later gave us a different number which is ALSO canon. I'm not trying to dispute one number over the other; I'm trying to get people to acknowledge that there is a conflict in two canon sources. We have had canon conflict before, why is this any different?

I figured that nobody would listen to me anyway because everyone wants to shrink the robot. Or at least, a strong majority. And as long as the taste barrier exists, the true voice of reason will always fall on deaf ears. (Just like in Cat in the Hat with the fish.) Okay, first off, this is bonesiii levels of condescending. Please don't try to paint yourself as "the true voice of reason" besieged by the thoughtless masses. Those of us who support a smaller size for the robot do because of our reasoning, not despite it. Thank you, I was afraid to say this. AS I WAS TYPING, THIS APPEARED: Apology accepted. The thing is, a 3150 km (That's 10.3 million feet. I'm not sure where you get 33000 feet.) robot appeared in published work. I'm sure that several sizes appeared in concept art before 3150 km, but those sizes didn't appear in published work. Mata Nui Rising (3150 km) is canon. Reign of Shadows (12192 km) is canon. (Journey's End already has one mistake, so it is easy to discard for the purpose of this discussion). This isn't about some people wanting to change canon to suite their preferences. Picking ANY number would require us to discount a canon source. What is the precedent for when two published works disagree on something?

First, as someone who followed Bionicle from the beginning but never got involved in the community until recently, this contest (and the ones that came before it) was awesome. Congratulations to everyone: contestants, judges, and even just the voters. Now that that sentimental nonsense is out of the way, let's get to MORE sentimental nonsense! Does anyone else find this contest ironic? The contest who's theme is honoring dead characters is itself is the conclusion to Bionicle. It almost as though the contest itself is a memoir for Bionicle.

Alright, there were two points addressed to me and a third that I need to comment on: (I believe that these are Thormen's images) It is shown to cover the face in Mata Nui Rising. We "knew" from a canon source that the island covers the head before we knew the size. I admit, that was silly of me. One last point: ...huh? Greg confirmed which source was canon back in the old days, but now said something nonsensical because he didn't quite remember... Don't we have a rule for this sort of thing? Something along the lines of "If an old answer contradicts a new one, follow the old one."

Well... they're robots. Robots who are meant to work, work, work, busy, busy, busy all day long. What do you expect? The Great Beings wouldn't dare bother programming romantic attraction into them if they wanted the Matoran to work within Mata Nui. Didn't program other emotions in either, didn't stop them from developing them. ...uhhh, they DID program other emotions in. Or rather, Velika programmed them. Nothing was developed independantly by the Matoran. From BS01: Remember that Velika, a fully-sapient being, planned to disguise himself among semi-sentient worker drones. It stands to reason that in order to better hide and to keep himself from going insane, he gave them the same emotions that he is capable of feeling. Wait a minute, I just came up with a new theory: If Velika gave the Matoran sapience and emotions that he was capable of feeling, but did NOT give them the ability to develop romantic attraction; can we assume that Velika is aromantic (which, by the way, is a real thing)? Let's think about it. If he had the ability to form romantic relations, and created fully-sapient individuals that, for some reason, were all aromantic and asexual; there would be a danger (no matter how small) of him developing romantic feelings towards one of the others. If he is aromantic, however, this would not be the case.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with th 3000 km robot, the island is bigger than the face, hiding it entirely, right? To make it at least a little bit stable, the MNR would need to have created massive bedrocks around his head; I think. The island entirely contained on the face of the MNR is easier to manage for take-off. I don't see why the Mata Nui island would need to cover entirely the face of the robot. It seems to be well supported by the face. That's pretty standard and I don't see the issue with Teridax using imperial system. His thoughts are already translated from Matoran to English. That's just part of the traduction.That wasn't really meant to be taken very seriously. My argument about Journey's End being semi-canon was meant to be taken seriously, so let's just assume you found something wrong that one as well, but chose not to post it. This reminds me of the Manas Fight from 2001. We had two different sources saying different things (Tale of the Toa vs. Mata Nui Online Game), and didn't get an answer until much later. So much later, in fact, that there was no new media showing the corrected version. This left newcomers in the dark (unless they searched BS01) This is the same thing. We have different sources of media saying different things (Reign of Shadows and Journey's end vs. Mata Nui Rising), and if we get a resolution it will be far past the release of any new media, leaving the newcomers in the dark (unless they search BS01). As far as I am concerned, there is precedent to make the change.

Because sizing down the robot create issues for medias where the 40 millions feet size is mentionned - Reign of Shadows at least. Plus, other sizes are depicted in other medias - comics, like I said before - so why this size more than others? 10.3 million feet is better because of the island of Mata Nui. We know the canon size of the island (489.09 km x 243.86 km). We know that the island is supposed to cover Mata Nui's face. This size island covers the face of the 10.3 million foot tall robot; it does not cover the face of the 40 million foot tall robot. As for changing other canon material that uses the 40 million number, it is mentioned three times (as far as I can tell) in Bionicle canon: Reign of Shadows chapter one, Reign of Shadows chapter four, and Journey's End chapter one. Of these, the refrence in Reign of Shadows chapter four already violates canon. This is not narration for the benefit of the reader; this is Makuta's monologue. Why then, is he using imperial measurements (inch, foot, yard, etc.) instead of Matoran measurements (bio, kio, and mio). This makes Reign of Shadows already semi-canon. Changing the reference in Chapter One shouldn't be that big of a deal anymore. What about Journey's End? That's semi-canon as well: In Journey's End chapter ten, Makuta is crushed by Bota Magna. From BS01: If Greg already ret-coned one part of Journey's End to fit with other media, why can't it be done again?

There seems to be a conflict between the animations and the character bios regarding Gali's harpoon. First, let's refresh our memories about Gali's equipment. Gali's full bio can be found here. Elemental Trident (it's really a double-bitted battle axe with a trident-like thing on the bottom): In Gali's "adrenalin mode," the trident disassembles into the Harpoon and the Shark Fins. Harpoon (the one that I have a question about): Shark Fins: ... Does anyone else see the problems? Specifying that the harpoon is a land weapon implies that the Elemental Trident is used underwater. Doesn't that make the Shark Fins useless? The "Elemental Trident" is really a battle axe. Battle axes don't work underwater. Also, it's listed abilities (creating tidal waves and heavy rain) don't make much sense underwater either. If Gali uses the harpoon on land, where does she put the Shark Fins? (This is dealt with in her "Power Up" mode.) Harpoons are designed to strike and capture underwater targets.The animations clearly seen to agree with my analysis. Gali is first shown underwater, using her Harpoon and Shark Fins separately; she is later shown on land, using them as the "Elemental Trident." The only possible explanation for this that I can see (and it's really a stretch), is that the description for the Harpoon is referring to the "Power Up" mode. Here, the Shark Fins are combined with the Protector of Water's "Elemental Torpedo Baster" (I didn't make these names, folks), and the remaining harpoon is stored on her back. One could reasonably assume that the upgraded Elemental Blaster is her underwater weapon, and is switched with the harpoon when she fights on land. One could just as easily assume, however, that the website is wrong (and we certainly have precedent for that). I don't think we will have an answer until we actually see the combinations in story. What do you think?