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    Jedi Gali

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    First, I agree that the races added something to Bionicle. But sometimes, it felt like they were just throwing stuff on to try and make it appeal more to its fans. I, personally, liked it more thinking that the Toa were fighting one dark entity, a god-like being of evil, while they were just mortal creatures.

     

    There is nothing new under the sun. I believe the imagination can thrive the most when uninfluenced by anything else but a will to create something new. Albeit, there is nothing completely new anywhere, we get closer to that when we are less inspired by other things subconsciously. There was a time in Bionicle when people were willing to create their own new races for the heroes of their world to fight against.

     

    I'm not against the new races, and like quite a few of the characters from alternate races/ universes. But I haven't seen a short-story or epic in a while that introduces a new, completely imagined race. Even mine don't have any new races in them. And this makes me sad. Very sad. Sad face sad.

     

    I like being able to imagine things on my own. I often prefer the book to the movie- stuff like that. I enjoyed the new races, but some of them weren't that interesting, some of them haven't even been named (like Axonn's race), and some are just cliche.

     

    That's why I enjoyed '01 more. Much more pathos, imo.

     

    -:s:

    Jedi Gali

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    There's many great books that end in complete cliffhangers that are not followed by a sequel or prequel or, even, trequel.

     

    I enjoyed '08, to be sure, and it DID answer mysteries. For instance- where did the Toa come from? What is Makuta's plan? Why were the Toa chosen to awaken Mata Nui?

     

    If '08 hadn't happened, then the fans would REALLY have been able to do what they wanted with the story. I'm not saying I wish '08 hadn't happened. I enjoyed it. But I'm saying it wouldn't have been the end of the world if it hadn't played out how it did.

     

    -:s:

    Jedi Gali

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    Are you saying that fans could not have imagined an alternate dimension back then? Because Alternate Worlds/Dimensions have been an idea in sci-fi works for ages, really. Bionicle didn't coin the idea.

     

    Tools are only good in the most skilled hands. Otherwise, an amateur craftsman or artisit can ruin his work before its done. '01 was the foundation for '08. If '01 hadn't happened the way it did, '08 would've been a mess.

     

    -:s:

    Jedi Gali

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    Thanks.

     

    My first question is this:

     

    Why is the storyline more appealing?

     

    Exo, you can respond first. You've got two minutes.

     

    :kaukau: -JG

    In all honesty the expansive universe is simply much more appealing to your average writer. You aren't as restricted as you are in 2001. Instead of practically being forced to use canon Toa if you want one in your story, you can choose from a plethora of elements, both classical and new.

     

    You can set your story somewhere outside the island of Mata-Nui. Your characters can travel to far off distant lands. YOu can even create your own island without conflicting with the conon storyline very much.

     

    It's just more expansive and deep than 2001.

     

    Well, I'll go ahead then.

     

    You say that fans were more restricted in '01- I say no. They didn't HAVE to pick from those Toa. In '01, when things were less defined, an author of 'fan-fic' could truly make Bionicle anything. Make a Toa of a new element at that point unheard of. They could very well have set their story outside of the island of Mata-Nui, simply by creating a new island with a new name all their own. I've done it in my epics. Lots of writers have.

     

    '01, it was like a lump of clay in an author or child's hands. They could do whatever they wanted with the story, make Toa all their own, new worlds, before they were influenced by the massive amount of information heaped toward them in '08. '08 was like a clay masterpiece- beautiful to see the result of work on the putty, but if you did too much, you'd overcrowd the idea and possibly ruin the sculpture.

     

    Expansive with more terms maybe, but possibly less expansive when it came to imagination.

     

    -:s:

    Jedi Gali

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    Many people say that the journey is the worthier part of a trip.

     

    Imagine the excitement of beginning the trip. In '01, we had a story where, instead of defending the universe like in so many cliches, we had heroes defending their island- like FBI defending America, in a movie. Duty to their land. The knights in King Arthur, if you will.

     

    We had a bunch of new mysteries, too. Sure, once you solve the mystery, finish the story, whatever, it's fulfilling. But when I read a mystery novel, I enjoy the clues left along the trail more than I enjoy the ending, because the journey IS the worthier part.

     

    '08 is like watching the ending of a CSI episode first, while '01 is like starting right at the beginning, seeing the victim, etc. Also, in the beginning of a story, that's when you get to use your imagination the most. We got to use our minds more on the characters.

     

    -:s:

    Jedi Gali

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    Hello everyone. Evening Exo-Fat. Evening JG.

     

    Ahem.

     

    Why was 2001 the best? Anyone? Anyone? Oh, wait, you can't post.

     

    In 2001, in July, a new line of products and a new story was released by the LEGO team. The line proceeding them, the 'Robo-riders', were, honestly, kind of dumb. Motorcycles with swords? What?

     

    But suddenly this new thing came called 'BIONICLE'. Ok, Bionicle. Hmm. We get six canisters of LEGO Technic parts, each a different color.

     

    Subscribers soon received the first full-length comic book! It featured...wait, are those robots? But they think, and talk, and act like people...and they have elemental powers like fire and ice? WOAH.

     

    We soon learned that these beings in this new story were Bio-mechanical. They were armored creatures with tissue and muscle and mechanical parts- something completely new to Lego. These futuristic seeming beings arrive in a tribal like land, with lush jungles, volcanos, and deserts. No guns.

     

    We got mechanical and tribal rolled into one, an amazing new idea, at least for LEGO. These heroes were called Toa. They had no memories- so wait, who were they? Why were they on this island? Soon the toa met Turaga- sage like beings who explained small things, but gave us more mysteries. We learn of two great 'spirits'.

     

    The first Mata-Nui. The second, his alledged brother, Makuta. But what? Makuta betrayed Mata Nui and cast him into a sleep. Well what can the heroes do against Makuta to save the island and its peaceful denizens.

     

    Why, find the Kanohi masks of course. Well what are those? The Toa each wore a mask that gave them supernatural powers like shielding, speed, strength, and x-ray vision! But they could get five more masks so that each hero would have six powers at their disposal. Well where did the masks come from? No one knows.

     

    Who are the Toa really? No one knows.

     

    Why did they arrive at the island? No one really seems to know.

     

    Who exactly is Makuta? No one really knows.

     

    What is this destiny of the Toa we keep hearing about? No one knows.

     

    Bionicle gave younger kids everything they wanted- superhero/warriors who controlled an element like FIRE, who wielded swords instead of guns, lived on a tropical island with dangers animals like giant bears, and wore masks that gave them super powers. And they would need to find five more.

     

    Bionicle gave older kids what they wanted- and intriguing storyline full of mystery. A dark essence threatening to destroy an island, not the whole world (as far as they knew at the time) as opposed to a super-villain bent on world-domination, a mix of sci-fi and fantasy with strange beings that weren't human or robots, ancient legends, rabid animals, and plenty of action.

     

    So what wasn't to like? Unlike Power Rangers, these heroes didn't have to transform. They didn't use guns or call on giant robots to help them in battle.

     

    This was a fresh concept full of mysteries and fun characters that didn't resort to cheap marketing ploys or theme-songs to grab fans.

     

    And that is why 2001 is better than '08.

     

    Thank you.

     

    Jedi Gali

    Posted

    Well, preconceived notions make for some of the best stories to tell later on. Although, keeping a certain degree of naivety can be a good thing.

     

    That is interesting. I tend to like movies like that, so maybe I'll check it out sometime. My family is a big movie family, but with movie prices lately, we usually only rent movies now. So I guess I'll keep an eye out for it.

     

    -S

    Gukko Force Captain

    Posted

    Well, I think a lot of new members are trying to pick something to do with '01-'03. I guess trying to get people to take them more seriously as fans. Maybe new members want to show they are old fans of Bionicle just now finding BZP, not the other way around.

     

    But yeah, you're the original, Cap'n. B)

     

    -S

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