Apple

**Nescent** · October 15, 2011

Apple, Inc.A topic for the discussion of the massive company Apple. A link to the original Official topic:

ArchiveSome basic rules that probably need to be said:No flaming (Apple is prone to being hated on; if you can make a valid argument, then by all means do so, but the old topic was full of biased people.)That being said, please no fanboys (Just as bad as flaming haha, but seriously it'll probably turn into spam.)----------Latest in Apple: iCloud, OS X 10.7 Lion, iPhone 4S and Siri, and Tim Cook being appointed CEO.You can also talk about what Apple stuff you have. I have a mid-2010 iMac with Lion and Snow Leopard, as well as a 4G iPod Touch.It's a shame to see Jobs gone, and we can only hope Apple continues to be as good a company. If anyone here recalls, the last time he left, Apple plummeted with the Mac Portable...

Rarity · October 16, 2011

They make the best phones, but I wish they're computers could play more games.

**EmperorWhenua** · October 16, 2011

I use a MacBook Pro and a pair of iPod touches. Might pick up an iPhone 4S since they're now available to Sprint users. I do very much enjoy their products and really like seeing what else they can produce.

The Shouting God · October 16, 2011

I dislike their computers, as I'm a gamer, but I love the rest of their products.Steve Jobs, worthy rival.

**Ravrahn** · October 16, 2011

I'm a fan of Jony Ive, Apple's designer. Apple's products have looked fantastic since he was Senior Vice President of Industrial Design or whatever his title is. Nobody can deny that they make among the highest quality, best looking products on the market. I wouldn't say absolutely highest, but they're up there with HTC and Asus in terms of build quality and aesthetic goodness. I'm not a fan of their anti-competitive business practices, nor their software (it's great, sure, but it's not for me). I'm an Android developer (technically ) and user, and I personally prefer open source solutions such as Linux and Android to Windows (including Phone) 7 and Mac OS and iOS. I certainly wouldn't call myself a hater, nor a fanboy (except, perhaps, a fanboy of tech in general). I actually watched most of Jobs' product launches, and loved them. Of course I was very excited about the Retina Display (as yet unmatched, although that will change on Wednesday), and the awesome thin design.Banning the Galaxy Tab, and suing everyone, for infringing on the 'look and feel' of Apple is not cool, though. Stifling innovation of others will eventually just stifle their own innovation, and it will be bad for everyone. Still think iOS needs a new look, it's getting stale.

**Nescent** · October 16, 2011

I've got to say I agree with about everything here. :sigh: @OmiShad @The Shouting God - That's the #1 reason that people dislike Macs. It's a FACT that they're not built for gaming. However, I'd like to point out that there's a massive project called Wineskin that makes it super-easy to port most Windows-only games to OS X. And some pretty intense games, too. There's also Cider, another program for porting games, and Crossover, yet another. I currently have Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout 3 NV, Thief 3: Deadly Shadows, Deus Ex, Strongholds 2, Commandos Behind Enemy Lines, and Might and Magic: Dark Messiah all ported to my Mac. Plus you can run Windows natively. Not disagreeing with you, because if you're a gamer I immediately do not recommend a Mac - just informing. @+ravrahn - I also do not like how constricting iOS is. But doesn't jail breaking it give you Android-like freedom?

Icicle · October 16, 2011

I'm an Apple fanboy. So is my family. It's so much better when there's no windows. Everything is just compatible and easy and simple then. The apple software is so user friendly. And everything Apple looks like a set, it all matches and flows. And the fact that the lifespan of a Mac is so much longer than a PC. And the track pad is completely superior to any other. :PI'm not moving back to Windows, not even if they make a 10 or something. I just can't deal with all of that again lol.

Rarity · October 16, 2011

You live in a house with no windows? D:

Icicle · October 16, 2011

It's scary, especially when you're also are surrounded by apples and eyes..

**Nescent** · October 16, 2011

I'm an Apple fanboy. So is my family. It's so much better when there's no windows. Everything is just compatible and easy and simple then. The apple software is so user friendly. And everything Apple looks like a set, it all matches and flows. And the fact that the lifespan of a Mac is so much longer than a PC. And the track pad is completely superior to any other. :PI'm not moving back to Windows, not even if they make a 10 or something. I just can't deal with all of that again lol.

Yes, Windows can be quite a hassle. But personally, I don't like the trackpad all that much. I use a Magic Mouse, but I tried the trackpad at an Apple Store and didn't really like having to actually *click.*

You live in a house with no windows? D:

He means the OS >,>

Rarity · October 16, 2011

I'm an Apple fanboy. So is my family. It's so much better when there's no windows. Everything is just compatible and easy and simple then. The apple software is so user friendly. And everything Apple looks like a set, it all matches and flows. And the fact that the lifespan of a Mac is so much longer than a PC. And the track pad is completely superior to any other. :PI'm not moving back to Windows, not even if they make a 10 or something. I just can't deal with all of that again lol.
Yes, Windows can be quite a hassle. But personally, I don't like the trackpad all that much. I use a Magic Mouse, but I tried the trackpad at an Apple Store and didn't really like having to actually *click.*
You live in a house with no windows? D:
He means the OS >,>

"No ####..... I admire you honesty..." It was a joke btw.

**Nescent** · October 16, 2011

I'm an Apple fanboy. So is my family. It's so much better when there's no windows. Everything is just compatible and easy and simple then. The apple software is so user friendly. And everything Apple looks like a set, it all matches and flows. And the fact that the lifespan of a Mac is so much longer than a PC. And the track pad is completely superior to any other. :PI'm not moving back to Windows, not even if they make a 10 or something. I just can't deal with all of that again lol.
Yes, Windows can be quite a hassle. But personally, I don't like the trackpad all that much. I use a Magic Mouse, but I tried the trackpad at an Apple Store and didn't really like having to actually *click.*
You live in a house with no windows? D:
He means the OS >,>
"No ####..... I admire you honesty..." It was a joke btw.

OOOOOOH I see it now. Hurr hurr :bucktooth:

Icicle · October 16, 2011

You can actually go to preferences and change it to a tap, but I was mosty talking about the finger combinations. I use them so much that I just spaz out on the school laptops. Lol.

vataki · October 16, 2011

I own an iPod Touch, 4th Gen. It's genius. My choice would be Apple over Microsoft in probably every category of technology.

**Nescent** · October 16, 2011

I own an iPod Touch, 4th Gen. It's genius. My choice would be Apple over Microsoft in probably every category of technology.

Why can't everyone be like you? :wub:

Rarity · October 16, 2011

Even the gaming catagory?

**Nescent** · October 16, 2011

Even the gaming catagory?

Yes, because then perhaps developers will make all of their games Mac-compatible without needing Windows or ports.

Rarity · October 16, 2011

But Microsoft has Xbox. Anyway, is there much of a difference between iPhone 4 on Verizon, then AT&T?

**Bfahome** · October 16, 2011

Got a MacBook Pro a few days ago. It's soooo smooooooth. (And I like it, though I'll need to start transferring all my stuff over and get used to the minor changes in how stuff works that keep bugging me.)

**Nescent** · October 16, 2011

But Microsoft has Xbox. Anyway, is there much of a difference between iPhone 4 on Verizon, then AT&T?

I don't own an iPhone, but I imagine it depends on where you are, and what the connection speed is in your area regarding either service. EDIT: @Bfahome: Did you make the switch from Windows? Edited October 16, 2011 by Jeordeon

**Bfahome** · October 16, 2011

@Bfahome: Did you make the switch from Windows?

No, from a four-year-old MacBook. There have been a few changes between then and now.

**Nescent** · October 16, 2011

@Bfahome: Did you make the switch from Windows?
No, from a four-year-old MacBook. There have been a few changes between then and now.

Oh, well congrats :fonz:

vataki · October 16, 2011

iOS games are awesome, but I don't care much for games anyways.

**Nescent** · October 16, 2011

iOS games are awesome, but I don't care much for games anyways.

There are a few that I love - Miner Disturbance, Undercroft, Dungeon Hunter 1, N.O.V.A. 1, Minigore, and Real Racing 1. Great time wasters.

**Ravrahn** · October 16, 2011

@+ravrahn - I also do not like how constricting iOS is. But doesn't jail breaking it give you Android-like freedom?

That's not the point. Apple doesn't want you jailbreaking. Google actually promotes rooting (Android equivalent of jailbreaking) your phone. It's the different philosophies behind the companies, Apple's philosophy is where I take issue. And Cydia might be nice and all, but you most certainly don't get anywhere near an Android level of freedom. I can upgrade the Android equivalent of an iPhone 3G to the Android equivalent of iOS 5 (and I have, for my dad), I can install so many alternatives to everything imaginable right in the Market. It's like comparing apples and oranges, if you'll excuse the horrendously overused pun.

Even the gaming catagory?
Yes, because then perhaps developers will make all of their games Mac-compatible without needing Windows or ports.

The actual annoying thing is that nobody ports games from Mac to Linux, because it's actually really easy. I'm not a gamer, but I'd be perfectly happy games-wise with a Mac. It can play Portal and Minecraft, that's fine by me. I would happily dual-boot it with Ubuntu, which I currently do with Windows 8, so I could play games.

But Microsoft has Xbox. Anyway, is there much of a difference between iPhone 4 on Verizon, then AT&T?

Only that one's on Verizon and one's on AT&T. The AT&T one will work in more places worldwide because they use a GSM 3G network.

**Nescent** · October 17, 2011

Even the gaming catagory?
Yes, because then perhaps developers will make all of their games Mac-compatible without needing Windows or ports.
The actual annoying thing is that nobody ports games from Mac to Linux, because it's actually really easy. I'm not a gamer, but I'd be perfectly happy games-wise with a Mac. It can play Portal and Minecraft, that's fine by me. I would happily dual-boot it with Ubuntu, which I currently do with Windows 8, so I could play games.

Wait...you hypothetically have a Mac, with a Windows 8 partition...where exactly does Linux come in? And why use Linux?

BBCCD · October 17, 2011

Apple computers are niceonce they run games and stop costing 3 times as much as Windows-based computers I might be able to justify getting one

**Ravrahn** · October 17, 2011

The actual annoying thing is that nobody ports games from Mac to Linux, because it's actually really easy. I'm not a gamer, but I'd be perfectly happy games-wise with a Mac. It can play Portal and Minecraft, that's fine by me. I would happily dual-boot it with Ubuntu, which I currently do with Windows 8, so I could play games.
Wait...you hypothetically have a Mac, with a Windows 8 partition...where exactly does Linux come in? And why use Linux?

No, you misunderstand me. I currently have a tower that dual-boots Ubuntu and Windows 8. My hypothetical was a Mac that dual-booted Linux - using Mac OS for games. Why shouldn't I use Linux? It runs well on nearly every computer in the world, even $25 ones. Furthermore, it's open-source, which means it's more robust than other OS's and the way it's designed makes it far, far more difficult to make viruses for than Windows (the same applies to Mac, because it's Unix-based). And I have far more options open to me. Also, my computer is quite bad, Windows is sluggish. It boots Ubuntu in about 8 seconds. That's why I use it. It's faster and safer and I prefer it.

**Nescent** · October 17, 2011

The actual annoying thing is that nobody ports games from Mac to Linux, because it's actually really easy. I'm not a gamer, but I'd be perfectly happy games-wise with a Mac. It can play Portal and Minecraft, that's fine by me. I would happily dual-boot it with Ubuntu, which I currently do with Windows 8, so I could play games.
Wait...you hypothetically have a Mac, with a Windows 8 partition...where exactly does Linux come in? And why use Linux?
No, you misunderstand me. I currently have a tower that dual-boots Ubuntu and Windows 8. My hypothetical was a Mac that dual-booted Linux - using Mac OS for games. Why shouldn't I use Linux? It runs well on nearly every computer in the world, even $25 ones. Furthermore, it's open-source, which means it's more robust than other OS's and the way it's designed makes it far, far more difficult to make viruses for than Windows (the same applies to Mac, because it's Unix-based). And I have far more options open to me. Also, my computer is quite bad, Windows is sluggish. It boots Ubuntu in about 8 seconds. That's why I use it. It's faster and safer and I prefer it.

H'm. Linux seems like it would serve as a very nice virtual machine.

Mister Electon · October 17, 2011

Right now I only have a 4th Gen iPod...I just updated it to iOs 5 a couple days ago and it's been amazing! It's made my iPod so much....Better than before. I'm trying for a macbook next! Although I would get a phone running on android before I get an iPhone right now...The iPhone seems to be catching up with iOS 5. But I have to admit I'm impressed with Siri. (I havent personally used it though)

Transcendence · October 17, 2011

I think Steve Jobs was an admirable visionary. His skill set was undoubtedly strongest when it comes to how to sell a product. Which is something I pride myself on, seeing as I'm the same way. Jobs and I are communicators, salesmen and fierce advocates. It's such a shame this brilliant visionary had to die so "young". He sets a brilliant example. Even with billions of dollars in your back pocket, even with every health care available, you are not immortal.

Rarity · October 17, 2011

The actual annoying thing is that nobody ports games from Mac to Linux, because it's actually really easy.I'm not a gamer, but I'd be perfectly happy games-wise with a Mac. It can play Portal and Minecraft, that's fine by me. I would happily dual-boot it with Ubuntu, which I currently do with Windows 8, so I could play games.
Wait...you hypothetically have a Mac, with a Windows 8 partition...where exactly does Linux come in? And why use Linux?
No, you misunderstand me. I currently have a tower that dual-boots Ubuntu and Windows 8. My hypothetical was a Mac that dual-booted Linux - using Mac OS for games:p Why shouldn't I use Linux? It runs well on nearly every computer in the world, even $25 ones. Furthermore, it's open-source, which means it's more robust than other OS's and the way it's designed makes it far, far more difficult to make viruses for than Windows (the same applies to Mac, because it's Unix-based). And I have far more options open to me. Also, my computer is quite bad, Windows is sluggish. It boots Ubuntu in about 8 seconds. That's why I use it. It's faster and safer and I prefer it.

What 25 dollar computers? :PI've never used Linux. What exactly is it?

**Ravrahn** · October 17, 2011

EDIT: Oh my, it does have forums... I didn't notice! Link removed. There's a computer called the Raspberry Pi which will sell for $25. It's pretty good, too. Linux is an OS based on Unix (like Mac is). Lots of different 'distros' of Linux are available, for different purposes. It's open-source and pretty powerful, and very customisable.

Edited October 17, 2011 by +ravrahn

Rarity · October 17, 2011

Need to remove that link cuz it has forums. And I'm so totally gonna buy that computer.

Mikestro · October 17, 2011

http://www.raspberrypi.org/ <-- $25 computer Linux is an OS based on Unix (like Mac is). Lots of different 'distros' of Linux are available, for different purposes. It's open-source and pretty powerful, and very customisable.

Oh my, that's a tiny computer...too bad it isn't for sale yet :mellow:

On Topic: Apple is a company I'm not too fond of, and I don't really like their computers. However, the iPod touch and the iPhone are actually pretty innovative and just plain awesome IMO. I'd take an iPhone over an Android device any day, despite my preference to using Linux. Too bad my iPhone broke a while ago. Also, Siri isn't being taken very seriously in Japan; "Siri" transliterated into Japanese means "butt".

**Ravrahn** · October 17, 2011

Actually "Shiri" means butt, but they pronounce Siri like Shiri. Also Siri doesn't actually work outside the States yet, apparently.

redacted · October 17, 2011

Does Siri work on the 3Gen iPod Touch? I haven't seen it... But MAN, iOS 5 is rocking so far.

**Ravrahn** · October 17, 2011

Siri's only for the 4S.

Mister Electon · October 17, 2011

Yeah, kinda disappointing...But it's really the only reason to buy the phone!!

Transcendence · October 17, 2011

An Android phone is a much better purchase. Have you guys seen how amazing those phones are? My best friend has that new iPhone and my Android is a much better phone than hers. And her phone is "newer" than mine. Her words, not mine.

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