As for you not joining BS01: Oh don't worry, I didn't need an extra member that badly. I still have over 5,000. I'm quite satisfied.

And that kids, is why I won't join BS01.

Then again, this is the internet. Where everybody fails.

 

HUGS FOR ALL.

 

- Tilius

Just to throw this out there, the reason I dislike canon-becoming contests is that I just feel there's absolutely no need for them. At all.

 

Honestly, I like not having defined official forms for certain characters. Take Helryx, for example – I have an image of her in my mind that is absolutely perfect for me, and I have never yet seen any MOC of her come close to capturing what I believe is the essence of her character. I don't want to see one of those MOCs become her canon appearance, because I feel that they do absolute injustice to her, and the canonizing of one of them would detract immensely from Bionicle.

 

A lot of you BS01 folk have said "well, if you don't like the contest, it's not like we're forcing you to enter." That's not the issue. The issue is that we are of the opinion that subjecting Bionicle to the whims of its fanbase is to its detriment, which we just find even less appealing when there isn't a need to have these contests at all. And to the statement that "you're perfectly free to ignore the result and just make your own appearances" – what if we actually care about how the official story of Bionicle goes?

 

They're popular, I see, but that's not a reason to have a canon contest. We just think that a contest to make the canon appearance of a character should be held because there's some sort of need for that character to have a canon form – NOT just because people like having contests like that. That's why MOCs exist, so that each person can build their own interpretation of a character – it doesn't make sense for some of the fans to force one of those MOCs onto the rest of the fans as "okay, this is how this character looks now, and if you don't like it, you can deal with it."

BS01 is not subjecting anyone. As Binkmeister described it, "Personally I define canon as "that which is in the sets and in the published storyline from LEGO." Others have a more... liberal and selective approach. Whatever works for everyone. I've had endless grief over trying to say something is canon but people don't agree. So I find it best to let everyone decide for themselves."

If you disagree with how it turns out, no one is forcing you to call the winning entry canon. Fans see things differently. And I respect that. I hope you guys can too.

I am quite displeased at how this is turning out; we have only had one other MOC contest. We limit ourselves. I myself have expressed that we "don't need canon contests for everything now" and that "they should be limited for each year."

I am sorry, but those who oppose these contests need to talk to GregF, and not the BS01 staff.

Also, I'll go and slap down a GregF quote regarding canon contests: "People seem to enjoy them, and if I have reason to believe we won't be doing a set of certain characters, I see no harm in them"

Also I especially dislike the fact that BS01 is taking the brunt of your opinions. BS01 just started its second MOC contest. There are other organizations, which includes BZP () and the KanohiJournal as well as Unofficial German BIONICLE magazine (Das Inoffizielle Deutsche Magazin), who do or have done canon MOC contests.

So don't single BS01 out.

BS01 is not subjecting anyone. As Binkmeister described it, "Personally I define canon as "that which is in the sets and in the published storyline from LEGO." Others have a more... liberal and selective approach. Whatever works for everyone. I've had endless grief over trying to say something is canon but people don't agree. So I find it best to let everyone decide for themselves."

If you disagree with how it turns out, no one is forcing you to call the winning entry canon. Fans see things differently. And I respect that. I hope you guys can too.

I am quite displeased at how this is turning out; we have only had one other MOC contest. We limit ourselves. I myself have expressed that we "don't need canon contests for everything now" and that "they should be limited for each year."

I am sorry, but those who oppose these contests need to talk to GregF, and not the BS01 staff.

Also, I'll go and slap down a GregF quote regarding canon contests: "People seem to enjoy them, and if I have reason to believe we won't be doing a set of certain characters, I see no harm in them"

Also I especially dislike the fact that BS01 is taking the brunt of your opinions. BS01 just started its second MOC contest. There are other organizations, which includes BZP () and the KanohiJournal as well as Unofficial German BIONICLE magazine (Das Inoffizielle Deutsche Magazin), who do or have done canon MOC contests.

So don't single BS01 out.

I've never even heard of those other things. And when it comes to MOC contests, I don't remember any canon character BBC contests, and I've been here since well before the BBC contests started.

 

BS01 is being singled out because it so happens to be the organization currently running a canon contest. Sorry, them's the breaks.

 

Also, I don't see how this is Greg's fault. If BS01 doesn't want to run and host a canon contest, it's not like Greg's going to force you to do it...

Not canon character contests, just canon MOC contests in general. There's only been one through the S&T Forum.

And no, we're not the only organization currently running a canon contest. The Unofficial German BIONICLE Magazine and KanohiJournal are co-hosting a contest right now.

I am aware that Greg's not going to force us, but he's the one who signs off on these contests. I am not blaming GregF, I am just pointing you in the right direction.

Actually DV... Greg asked us to do it, if I recall.

 

And for the honest record, every BS01 contest is run by me. So I had to approve it. And yes, there are TONS of options, but I chose this one should go through.

 

And as has been said COUNTLESS TIMES, if you do not want to enter, nobody is holding a Zamor at your head to do so. Maybe a Thornax, but definately not a Zamor.

 

Another comment to add:

 

As for why it seems all of our contests are canon, it's because I don't have the luxurious prizes BZP has for the BBC contests. If I did, I would find more appropriate ways to give them away, simply because then it'd be BZP's contest system altogether.

1. Excuse me for being frank, but the argument that the contest is too restrictive is just -offensive remark removed <<DV>>-. It's no more restricted than people's "revamps" that they do of other characters - and what's more, the contest is open to more shapes than that of the MU Teridax.

 

2. The idea that a shapeshifter can't have a 'canon form' is also pretty invalid. Matau had the Mask of Illusions, but he still had a concrete form... in X-Men, Mystique can look like anyone, but she still has a known personal appearance... there's no reason why Alt-Teridax can't have a "preferred form".

 

3. Why should having a canon form keep fans from using their own creativity? People do it all the time. HB anyone? Not to mention other examples... point is, canon doesn't hinder creative interpretation. Heck, they came out with a movie with Onua in it, but I still have my own entirely different perception of what he's like regardless of what some people say is his 'canon' self.

 

4. None of us are begging you to be a member of BS01. So why do you still gloat at saying you won't ever be one, when it obviously only matters to you?

1. Excuse me for being frank, but the argument that the contest is too restrictive is just -offensive remark removed <<DV>>-. It's no more restricted than people's "revamps" that they do of other characters - and what's more, the contest is open to more shapes than that of the MU Teridax.

 

2. The idea that a shapeshifter can't have a 'canon form' is also pretty invalid. Matau had the Mask of Illusions, but he still had a concrete form... in X-Men, Mystique can look like anyone, but she still has a known personal appearance... there's no reason why Alt-Teridax can't have a "preferred form".

 

3. Why should having a canon form keep fans from using their own creativity? People do it all the time. HB anyone? Not to mention other examples... point is, canon doesn't hinder creative interpretation. Heck, they came out with a movie with Onua in it, but I still have my own entirely different perception of what he's like regardless of what some people say is his 'canon' self.

 

4. None of us are begging you to be a member of BS01. So why do you still gloat at saying you won't ever be one, when it obviously only matters to you?

1- There are countless other characters with less restrictions that could have been chosen. This contest is restrictive because you have colour, mask, and height requirements. That's restrictive. Sorry. You can complain about my terms if you want. And before you bring up that goofy quote from the BS01 topic about how anyone complaining about restrictions isn't creative enough, remember who you're talking to.

 

2- Exactly. And the 2003 Makuta set is Makuta's neutral form, so why wouldn't the alt. Teridax just look like that version but in white, considering that was his description?

 

3- Because most MOCs are attempts to make a more canon form of the character in question, a la the movie or descriptions from the books. Considering a canon form of a character that is a MOC... Sorry. But you're losing this argument entirely. The creativity in question isn't even about MOCs, but as ToM brought up, mental images and whatnot. Some things are best left to the imagination, and left to have no official or canon image (or name [Teridax]).

 

4- Who says I'm gloating? Besides, I can guarantee it matters more than to just me. After all, your glorious leader has already come in to this blog to gloat himself about how many members BS01 has. And I'm not going to join a site to feed someone's ego. What does a small wiki even need 5000 members for?

I was tempted to do a comment contributing to the discussion first...but then I realized that arguing is a waste of time, so I decided to just give a statement of my point of view:

 

A few years back Lego's slogan was "Just imagine". My opinion accordingly is deeply anchored in this slogan: I do not care weather or not a canon-contest is hosted or not and even if its theme is intriguing enough that I enter I do not really care about the outcome, because if I win or if somebody else wins does not change my personal imagining of a story-characters look.

And if I should draw or build a character according to my imagination again and somebody doesn't like it they are welcome to not like it, I sure wont change it because of that.

And to get a bit more specific: My vision of the good Makuta looks nothing like anything I have read here or elsewhere.

 

PS: And please everyone, don't get too worked up over discussions such as these. Don't take offense to every criticism and save yourselves from unnecessary stress

PS: And please everyone, don't get too worked up over discussions such as these. Don't take offense to every criticism and save yourselves from unnecessary stress

Absolutely. I know that this discussion has not changed my opinion of anyone involved. And I didn't dislike anyone in here to begin with, so haha. Disagreements and even arguments can co-exist with respect and wishing others well. You can get along without having to agree.

Also, if they are shapeshifters, how can you even have a canon interpretation of this character?

I assume it means the standard form. What do people see as Good Teridax is walking around? I wouldn't mind knowing.

 

And no, you can't assume he would take the same standard form as evil Teridax. Being shapeshifters, I tend to assume that the form a villain would take would be more likely to speak to his evil-ness than a non-shapeshifter, and same possibly with good shapeshifters.

 

Also, frankly, the fact that he's a shapeshifter nullifies any need to complain about it. If someone wants to MOC or draw a different form, it is just as valid because he's a shapeshifter anyways.

 

I could understand if your complaint is "I wanna be free to imagine what his standard form would be that people see when this guy is walking around", though. I don't think it's a major enough complaint to warrant overriding the fact that canonifying contests are popular. As most of these debates do, it boils down to "some people want one thing, others want the other, and you can't please everybody."

 

Then again, this is the internet. Where everybody fails.

 

HUGS FOR ALL.

 

- Tilius

XD

 

QF... Well, I dunno, but it's quoteworthy anyways.

 

Just to throw this out there, the reason I dislike canon-becoming contests is that I just feel there's absolutely no need for them. At all.

 

Honestly, I like not having defined official forms for certain characters. Take Helryx, for example – I have an image of her in my mind that is absolutely perfect for me, and I have never yet seen any MOC of her come close to capturing what I believe is the essence of her character. I don't want to see one of those MOCs become her canon appearance, because I feel that they do absolute injustice to her, and the canonizing of one of them would detract immensely from Bionicle.

 

A lot of you BS01 folk have said "well, if you don't like the contest, it's not like we're forcing you to enter." That's not the issue. The issue is that we are of the opinion that subjecting Bionicle to the whims of its fanbase is to its detriment, which we just find even less appealing when there isn't a need to have these contests at all. And to the statement that "you're perfectly free to ignore the result and just make your own appearances" – what if we actually care about how the official story of Bionicle goes?

 

They're popular, I see, but that's not a reason to have a canon contest. We just think that a contest to make the canon appearance of a character should be held because there's some sort of need for that character to have a canon form – NOT just because people like having contests like that. That's why MOCs exist, so that each person can build their own interpretation of a character – it doesn't make sense for some of the fans to force one of those MOCs onto the rest of the fans as "okay, this is how this character looks now, and if you don't like it, you can deal with it."

This whole argument falls apart when you remember that nothing about Bionicle is about "need" -- it's about want. Entertainment. Are you sure that's really why you personally don't like them? You're free to not like them, but that reason doesn't seem to make sense. At least not to me.

 

Liking not having official defined forms makes sense to me. I don't have any complaint with that, but we could go back and forth on that all day, and the answer is always going to be the same -- obviously, enough people have a different preference on that that they still happen.

 

BS01 is drawing a line, for the moment, where some characters won't be defined, and some will. It's a compromise position. Sadly, what I see is not both sides acknowledging the compromise, but both sides whining that BS01 isn't going all out for their side. Personally, I'm on the side that wants Helryx and the like to be made (although don't plan on doing it myself), so if BS01 did that, I've love it, but I can appreciate the compromise, and take what I get. I suggest the "other side" do the same.

 

And really, I still don't see why even for people who have that taste, you can't simply use your imagination. LEGO's all about that. IMO, the more canon stuff, AND the more alternate fan-imagined stuff, the better. So what if LEGO puts out their interpretation of White Terry Mack (or indirectly through such contests)? You are free to imagine it differently, regardless.

 

And in fact I would encourage you to do so anyways. And ToM, I know you DO. (And quite well.) So why can't you let this drop?

 

A lot of you BS01 folk have said "well, if you don't like the contest, it's not like we're forcing you to enter." That's not the issue. The issue is that we are of the opinion that subjecting Bionicle to the whims of its fanbase is to its detriment

ToM, I really expect more of you than this. This is a huge contradiction. Your reason for not wanting Bionicle to be subjected to the whims of the fanbase in this particular way is your own preference. That in and of itself is one thing.

 

But you don't seem to realize you're arguing for the exact same thing, just in reverse. If you had your way, you'd be subjecting canon Bionicle to your preference on this issue -- you'd be subjecting all other fans to your own personal desire not to have canon forms.

 

So the argument cancels itself out.

 

IMO, we should all just live and let live. Those who want their canon contests can have them. Those who don't can ignore them entirely.

 

Hence the quoteworthiness of Tilius.

 

(Besides, by "to its detriment", you mean "it doesn't please me." To those who like the appearances -- which is usually most people -- it's to Bionicle's benefit. )

 

There's something that Bionicle Rex said once about the duty of staff who are moderating that I always took to heart. I forget the exact quote, but it was basically that we close topics not because we don't like them, but we put our own personal tastes aside when judging what topics have the right to stay open and which ones get closed, and we judge objectively. I'm butchering the quote, bones-style, but it's the basic idea.

 

A lot of people complain about our motivations to close topics, and maybe we don't always follow that perfectly, but he was adamant that that be the reasoning, and he would defend that policy to the death to every complainer. There's a basic expectation of BZPower staff that we are able to put our own subjective desires aside and lock down only those things that objectively need locked down.

 

I apply the same logic to these contests. You might not personally like them, but when it comes to judging whether they should still happen or not, we need to set our personal preferences on it aside, and think it through more carefully.

 

It seems to me that given the strong desires of both camps on this, BS01's solution is the only workable solution. So it's up to both sides to stop demanding everything, and accept a little compromise.

 

And to the statement that "you're perfectly free to ignore the result and just make your own appearances" – what if we actually care about how the official story of Bionicle goes?

Then enter the contest with your coolest MOC, and odds are you'll win. But if even that doesn't please you, then maybe you just need to face up to the fact that not everybody can always get what they want all the time. You and many others seem to object when Swert or anyone else says "then deal with it", but you seem to forget that you're asking the other camp to "deal with it" too. If you had your way, those that want a canon form would have to deal with it.

 

They're popular, I see, but that's not a reason to have a canon contest.

Frankly, you're just plain wrong about that, T. It's entertainment. Them being popular is the very best reason to have them.

 

If you want the logicianspeak about it, you're trying to apply Ad Populum fallacy-pointing-out to something that is really a matter of personal taste -- but personal taste is outside the realm of logic, so the argument simply doesn't work.

 

An admirable mistake; too many people actually believe in Ad Populum for objective things like right and wrong, and fail to say what you said about things that actually matter in life -- but "Majority can be wrong" simply doesn't apply here, because none of it is right or wrong in the first place -- it's personal taste.

 

We just think that a contest to make the canon appearance of a character should be held because there's some sort of need for that character to have a canon form – NOT just because people like having contests like that.

There will never be a need. There has never been any need for any Bionicle set to exist, in the first place, or LEGO to exist, except the overall fact that people do need entertainment of SOME sort to be mentally healthy.

 

There's no logical justification for saying any of the specifics of entertainment, though, are ever needed. Hence why I call this Need Fallacy.

 

So arguing against something because it's not needed is pointless. Of course it isn't. Things in entertainment are done, ideally, because they are wanted.

 

You don't want canon contests, and you're not alone -- but others do.

 

That's why MOCs exist, so that each person can build their own interpretation of a character – it doesn't make sense for some of the fans to force one of those MOCs onto the rest of the fans as "okay, this is how this character looks now, and if you don't like it, you can deal with it."

T, Bionicle has been "forcing appearances" on you from day one. You're looking at it backwards, and as long as you continue to do so, you're gonna keep banging your head against this wall. Toa Kopaka 2001 looked like how he did, and that didn't even have the stronger backup that the canon contests have of actually asking for majority opinions; it was totally "forced on you" from the set designers and focus groups, whether you liked it or not.

 

Your mistake, in my judgement, is viewing ANYTHING in entertainment as "forced on you." No, sorry, nothing in entertainment is forced on anybody. Entertainment is about people putting out things, in the hopes that some people will like them (and often to get money in return, but not in this case). For those who happen to like it, that's great; for those that don't, oh well; can't please everybody.

 

And again, how are you not committing the very sin you complain of? If you succeeded in banning canon contests, would you not be saying "and if you don't like it, you can deal with it?"

 

(Really, is it such a horrible thing to ask people to deal with it? Especially when both sides are being given part of what they want, as best as it seems can be done. Life has many things we need to deal with. That might sound harsh, but it's real life. Maybe it could be worded more tactfully, but the stickler is, no matter what is done, somebody's going to have to deal with it. Can't -- simply cannot -- please everybody.)

 

 

 

PS: And please everyone, don't get too worked up over discussions such as these. Don't take offense to every criticism and save yourselves from unnecessary stress

Absolutely. I know that this discussion has not changed my opinion of anyone involved. And I didn't dislike anyone in here to begin with, so haha. Disagreements and even arguments can co-exist with respect and wishing others well. You can get along without having to agree.

Amen my BRUTHUH.

4- Who says I'm gloating? Besides, I can guarantee it matters more than to just me. After all, your glorious leader has already come in to this blog to gloat himself about how many members BS01 has. And I'm not going to join a site to feed someone's ego. What does a small wiki even need 5000 members for?

Actually... it's 6,000 members. And why? Because it's been that way since Crystal Matrix's time. We kept ALL users from then on, it's our priority to keep accounts in every DB move. We don't like to force users to re-register.

 

And in the meantime, my ego (which gets shot by a shotgun constantly, by the way) is not the reason I said that. My point is simple: I'd rather lose one member who does not edit, and gain 10 helpful editors in return.

 

Also, we're not a small wiki. We stopped being a small wiki 10 days after the first Wiki installation. All of this is not gloating, it is fact: http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Statistics

 

824 content pages (I've seen smaller Wikias), 7,259 total pages, 6,071 files, and 6,066 users (at the time of this comment.) However, my views total speak for themselves: 5,456,058. That's over 5 Million views on BS01 since we last installed it, which was last October.

 

I believe my point has been made. Hopefully it was not for nothing.

4- Who says I'm gloating? Besides, I can guarantee it matters more than to just me. After all, your glorious leader has already come in to this blog to gloat himself about how many members BS01 has. And I'm not going to join a site to feed someone's ego. What does a small wiki even need 5000 members for?

Actually... it's 6,000 members. And why? Because it's been that way since Crystal Matrix's time. We kept ALL users from then on, it's our priority to keep accounts in every DB move. We don't like to force users to re-register.

 

And in the meantime, my ego (which gets shot by a shotgun constantly, by the way) is not the reason I said that. My point is simple: I'd rather lose one member who does not edit, and gain 10 helpful editors in return.

 

Also, we're not a small wiki. We stopped being a small wiki 10 days after the first Wiki installation. All of this is not gloating, it is fact: http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Statistics

 

824 content pages (I've seen smaller Wikias), 7,259 total pages, 6,071 files, and 6,066 users (at the time of this comment.) However, my views total speak for themselves: 5,456,058. That's over 5 Million views on BS01 since we last installed it, which was last October.

 

I believe my point has been made. Hopefully it was not for nothing.

To put it all in perspective:

 

You have less than 200 active members, with less than one thousand content pages.

 

The Star Wars wiki, to contrast, has almost 75000 content pages, with about one thousand active members.

 

The Transformers wiki has 10000 content pages, with one thousand members, total.

 

The LOST wiki has about one thousand content pages, with about one thousand active members.

 

I chose the active members because that's a much better look at your real membership. You can inflate your numbers with members who don't ever do anything with those memberships, but this just proves the point. You don't need that many members. Flaunting those numbers is silly.

 

You're a small wiki. A very comprehensive wiki, but for something like BIONICLE, what's wrong with being small? It isn't anything to be ashamed of. It wasn't intended as an insult, just an observation. And the ego comment was also an observation, because that is entirely how your comment read. If that's not what it is insinuating, than my apologies.

Dear Bones,

 

Your entire post can be responded to by saying only this: what part of my post was anything more than a statement of personal taste? I'm not sure why you responded as if I were declaring everything I said to be a universal truth, or something like that, but because you did interpret it that way... Kindly see my PM instead.

 

Though there is one thing I feel the record should show:

 

A lot of you BS01 folk have said "well, if you don't like the contest, it's not like we're forcing you to enter." That's not the issue. The issue is that we are of the opinion that subjecting Bionicle to the whims of its fanbase is to its detriment

ToM, I really expect more of you than this. This is a huge contradiction. Your reason for not wanting Bionicle to be subjected to the whims of the fanbase in this particular way is your own preference. That in and of itself is one thing.

 

But you don't seem to realize you're arguing for the exact same thing, just in reverse. If you had your way, you'd be subjecting canon Bionicle to your preference on this issue -- you'd be subjecting all other fans to your own personal desire not to have canon forms.

 

So the argument cancels itself out.

Nowhere did I say anything of that sort. I stated that I didn't like the idea of subjecting Bionicle to the whims of its fanbase. I did not argue, anywhere in there, that I should be given control of Bionicle. I don't even know where you got that from.

 

ToM- I edited out some of the more 'emotional language' so as to try and keep this entry from getting full of personal anger and whatnot. I hope you don't mind. <<DV>>

 

Oops, sorry about that! I thought I had toned this down enough. My bad. ;>>

PS: And please everyone, don't get too worked up over discussions such as these. Don't take offense to every criticism and save yourselves from unnecessary stress

Absolutely. I know that this discussion has not changed my opinion of anyone involved. And I didn't dislike anyone in here to begin with, so haha. Disagreements and even arguments can co-exist with respect and wishing others well. You can get along without having to agree.

I can agree with this. I guess I was too passionate and let myself slip. I apologize.

PS: And please everyone, don't get too worked up over discussions such as these. Don't take offense to every criticism and save yourselves from unnecessary stress

Absolutely. I know that this discussion has not changed my opinion of anyone involved. And I didn't dislike anyone in here to begin with, so haha. Disagreements and even arguments can co-exist with respect and wishing others well. You can get along without having to agree.

I can agree with this. I guess I was too passionate and let myself slip. I apologize.

Pfft, you're cool. We came to an understanding on this like, fifteen comments ago when you apologized for arguing, and then I made that comment. I'm cool with arguments and disagreements when done respectfully, like most of this has been.

 

Besides, I love all you guys.

 

And having read up on the BS01 topic since my only post in there... Wow. I certainly had no intent to add more difficulty to your contest hosting. I didn't realize it had gotten so crazy in there.

Well, the main issue we have to get over NOW is the bad history we had on the last MOC contest. Obviously we dealt with that behind the scenes, and will perfect it.

 

The only MAIN issue with this content, as pointed out, was the silly restriction... which we did away with to a degree. As it stands, we only ask for Gold masks now, which even come handily in the Tahu Stars set now.

 

Also, since I have had time to calm down myself, I will apologize now for not seeing your points earlier about our stats. Yes, in theory we only have a fraction of the active members, but I tend to think those still speak louder than other wikis that do not have any decent editors left.

 

Anyway, one last comment, since I am here: there was an argument about having a limit on three different items being unfair (Size, mask and color of MOC... I cannot remember if you asked that, DV, but if not then disregard answering). To answer that, I can think of one BBC contest with perhaps the biggest restriction of them all: BBC Contest #35. To remind everybody what that was, it asked that all MOCs be based on a drawing by the great Schizo Kaita.

 

Just to remind everybody directly, DV himself was 2nd place in that contest, proving that the restrictions of contests are not a valid reason to not enter. We've eliminated the main problem (Restricting the Kanohi to one in particular) of ours, so the only left to complain about is canon contests, which considering how many people entered the last few, it's clear it's just a minority.

 

I am sorry to hijack the blog to make that point, DV... however, I believe it was okay to do so, since I was indirectly replying to you as well. Again, sorry if you did not make that comment, I cannot remember directly who did, but I do remember it was brought up.

Good to see we've come to an understanding.

 

~ Bioran

Guys, can we not argue about amount of members? Swert is proud of the numbers he's got, for the type of site it is, and others may not care, and... okay. Best to leave it at that, I think. *reads on and sees this was resolved... * Okay, cool.

 

 

 

Your entire post can be responded to by saying only this: what part of my post was anything more than a statement of personal taste?

Firstly, lemme apologize, as I did in my response to your PM. I was a bit too harsh, though I didn't intend to be. I dunno why it is, but this issue seems to be very emotional for many people, more than I ever expected or still have quite grasped, and that's obviously leading to a lot of mistakes on many people's parts, myself included. I personally always assumed that since LEGO puts out canon stuff anyways, and many BZPers of all stripes have agreed it's good that LEGO get fan input, that these sorts of contests would be pretty much universally liked, but not taken any more seriously than anything else LEGO does. Obviously, I missed part of the picture, and I shouldn't have.

 

Secondly, your post appeared to come across as citing some of the points Swert and others had made, and replying to them, so it appeared to be more than just your own personal taste -- and I assumed you wanted the same to happen with your points. (For example, even in that example you gave, you had called that an issue, and you were replying to someone else's point. I assumed that meant you actually felt it was a serious issue we needed to address.) I'm glad to hear it wasn't, and hopefully that's behind us now.

 

But personal taste or not, I hope you understand that I care what you and those like you want, even if you aren't actually arguing intentionally for it to be done. I felt you raised important points that deserved reply, as they were relevant and echoed well what many others have said. You were speaking to, I think, something that is important to a lot of people, and not all of them are as content as you to leave it to just a personal taste.

 

Also, you might not have argued for it, but you still want it, do you not, and would be more pleased if we made more of a compromise with your desire on this? I can only speak for myself, but that matters to me. You at least care enough about it to post about it, and that tells me it matters at least a little. I do think we need to think about possibly making compromises with that preference if possible.

 

Anyways, all I can say in the end is what my own opinion is, and to me, it's better not to think of it as forcing things on anyone, either way, since it's all just entertainment anyways, and try to enjoy each contest for what it's worth. White Teridax might not top everybody's list of a theme, but personally (again, it can't be emphasized enough how this is all just opinions), it's still a neat idea that I wouldn't mind knowing one interpretation of -- Binky's definition of "canon" basically as he said in there. Why should (again, personally) canon contests be limited only to the most important things ever? It can be fun to relax and have fun with little things occasionally.

 

Everybody else can choose to have that approach or not as they see fit.

 

 

 

 

I must agree with you, alternate Terry seems kinda stupid to me. I mean, i just thought "Makuta in gold and white". But noo, now a contest must be held...

I'm just frankly not a fan of how loosely people are being grouped here. The arguments here are against "BS01" and that "BS01" is doing something stupid. To say "BS01" implies all of those who are in charge of it.

 

That very much includes me.

 

And I'm against these contests for the very reasons ToM said - and in a way I would never be able to so artfully express.

 

The generalization of "BS01" is all that's left that irks me. I've already accepted this contest because it's the lesser of many evils for what we could be asking to create.

 

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For the record I don't have any real predispositions about anyone here either. I don't know them.

And I understand personal taste. (So no need to post my other comment if you don't wish. XD)

 

Good point with all bonesiii said.

Take Helryx, for example – I have an image of her in my mind that is absolutely perfect for me, and I have never yet seen any MOC of her come close to capturing what I believe is the essence of her character.

That's the same reason it's better that certain silent protagonists not be given a voice beyond sound effects, since people have their own ideas of what a character sounds like... especially since the voice has to match the character well.

 

 

The LOST wiki has about one thousand content pages, with about one thousand active members.

One for each page, because it takes that many people to figure out what's not going on with the show. How many of those members are actually the writers for the show?

 

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