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Hakann's behaviour especially isn't all that far removed from how Tahu was when he first showed up. Sure, Tahu never incinerated a Rahi just because it was in his way of the view, but he did once burn down a whole tree (not caring about any animals that might be living in it, or that he could have started a whole forest fire) just because he was too lazy to climb up it. Hey, he very nearly set fire to the whole island when he first got out of the canister. I think Jaller might have had suspicions about Tahu in the same way Garan and the others had suspicions about the Piraka in the beginning, and with good reason.

What if they all theoretically have control over matter in general, but have certain aptitudes towards their particular elements (which are also honed and enhanced through the elemental masks). Like, Gali could maybe, theoretically learn how to create a flame with the Mask of Fire and tonnes of practice, but even then she might not really be skilled enough to use that technique effectively in battle. Ice is easier for her to control because it is a form of water, but she might not have the skill of creating ice or controlling temperature as Kopaka does

What if G2 Lewa can control the wind to some extent because he sincerely believes it's caused by trees sneezing?

Lewa is one of those characters that could be Tumblr's new favourite cinnamon roll if done right, and the next Jar Jar Binks if done wrong. David Tennant and his lovely Scottish accent is my dream casting for him, but Sandler might actually manage to usurp Jar Jar.

Thank you so much for finding that! Made my week, seriously.

There's a discussion on Tumblr right now about the Matoran going through a "second awakening" after the Destiny algorithm had run its course. Because, if you think about it, every action committed by any MU being was done in accordance with their destiny. You can't say no to destiny, and any attempt you make to thwart it will just end with you accidentally fulfilling it. This means that although MU folks were sapient and self aware, they actually had no free will at all. Their choices were not their own. But if the Destiny programming was no longer running, then they would start having to make choices for themselves. They'd probably retain the same personality, and some might not feel any different at all, but chances are that some would start to question what they knew and explore behaviours that Matoran wouldn't normally adopt, and I think romantic love- especially after melding with Agori society and adopting some of their customs- is actually a pretty plausible outcome of that. After all, good ol' Greg always used to argue that a) Romance is a social construct that the Matoran never invented due to lack of biological imperative, and b) Romance had no place in the Matoran's purpose of maintaining the robot. So therefore, now that romance is part of the (combined) society, and they are no longer being operated by destiny and don't have to run a robot, it becomes an interesting possibility. Ahhh, I'd almost forgotten how much fun it is to use Greg's own logic against him. Though if you're identifying certain beings as "anomalies", I think you have to include Matau there as well. Greg trying to insist that romance was never canon holds absolutely no water when you remember how he wrote Matau flirting with Nokama in every second line of dialogue. Edit: Somebody find that Greg quote!

Mask of Light's novelisation refers to Jaller being placed in a "suva-like grave", though this may not be canon given some of the other stuff in the book.

Thanks for that! Really interesting stuff. Lewa disappearing during thunderstorms and then coming back afterwards and explaining he had to go sort out a dispute with Gali is definitely something he would do. Gali is somewhat perplexed because all the Le-Matoran seem to get very nervous around her. And I just find the idea of Matoran being afraid of Pohatu hilarious. Poor guy just wants to hug and protect all of his tiny friends, and they're secretly terrified he's gonna murder them all if they upset him.

Does anyone know where to find scans of one of these? Apparently a lot of stuff in them isn't quite canon, but from what I've heard of them, they sound really intriguing. I'm just picturing Pohatu being horrified to learn that the Matoran thought he was angry with them every time there was a rockslide or cave-in, and Gali having to tell her villagers that no, they don't need to praise her literally every time it rains, sometimes weather happens by itself.

Haha, yeah-all of that, too! The story needs to be great to get people to actually enjoy and become invested in the movie- I was thinking more about how you pitch the concept to get the thing made in the first place, and how you market it to the audience before they actually watch it. If we're basing it on G1, we've already got a good story in the bag, but they need to think about how to persuade studios and producers that audiences will want to see it. It's not a hard thing to sell to kids, but presenting it in such a way to get the adult audience as well will be more of a challenge as far as studios are concerned.

Very true, but there's animation enthusiasts, and then there's the mainstream audience, who would not have heard of any of those people. Andy Serkis is arguably the exception among "mainstream" actors, but even then, his personal fanbase isn't big enough that a large audience would flock to a film solely because he's in it (He'd make a great Vezon, though). For a Bionicle film, you're going to be relying on the strength of the nostalgia, and the overall appeal of the premise and visuals to draw an audience. Oh yeah, that's another thing. They need to make it look pretty. As in, eye-poppingly beautiful. On par with Avatar or a Pixar film. Seriously, Bionicle is at least 50% about the setting, so making the island look gorgeous needs to be a priority. Get some good concept artists on board when you pitch it.

Bionicle at its peak was easily on par with Ninjago back in the day, but Lego was less inclined to take huge financial risks back then, and toy movies weren't the done thing. Many toy-based movies are marketed at least partly-if not primarily- to adults, and rely on brand recognition and nostalgia value to draw that audience in. Kids will want to see it just because it looks cool- having a familiar favourite character in there is a plus, but not a necessity. Bionicle's been around for fifteen years now, and has a large base of adult former-fans who could potentially be drawn back by the nostalgia. We're in the same demographic that the Marvel movies are targeted to, and let's face it, most people our age probably saw much more of the Bionicle characters in our childhoods than we did of Ant Man or Doctor Strange- the nostalgia connection for those properties is very weak or nonexistant for many (though I suppose being part of the MCU brand strengthens them considerably). The biggest hurdle from getting a film is the lack of humans in the story. You can cast big name actors, but their recognisable faces won't appear in the trailer or posters, and it's harder to sell an actor's presence if it's just voice or a motion-capture performance. The main character won't look like a white guy named Chris, even if he ends up being played by one. There's this perception- and I don't know how accurate this is- that adult audiences will not care about non-human characters unless said characters have human friends who care about them first. Or perhaps they think writers can't write non-human characters with enough depth and character to be able to carry a film for adults on their own. Hence the logic behind the Smurfs film, among others. Having Bionicle characters appear in our world, I think, would be a mistake, since so much of what makes Bionicle is in the mystery of the setting. Becomes too much of a Transformers ripoff otherwise. Having a Narnia-esque "human ends up in Bionicle world" plot, I think, would also be weak storytelling. It's trying too hard to make Bionicle conform to the structure of other stories, when it needs to be its own thing. I think with advancements in digital effects, we are going to be moving away from the "must have white guy named Chris" mentality, but it's going to have to be backed up by other changes in how Hollywood thinks about their audience as well. I think the time is very nearly right for something like this to happen, at least from an audience perspective, but it's a matter of sitting around waiting for Lego and Hollywood to realise it.

Baby robots.

Yeeeah, if you don't want to have to answer this question again, then... don't bother answering the question again. No-one's making you. You can literally just not go in this topic and instead stick to talking about things you want to talk about. Somebody who's more helpful and in a better mood can take care of it. It's like if you were in the art forums and went into topics going "What? ANOTHER drawing of Tahu? Not this crud again... You DO realise we already have like a thousand drawings of Tahu here, don't you?" Okay, maybe not quite, but it still seems silly that you'd get all bothered about something like this, when the only reasons you should be posting on BZP is because you enjoy it, or you feel like you're helping somebody out. Belittling someone for making a post that annoys you in a topic you didn't want to see but insisted on looking at anyway achieves neither. That said, the stone and earth thing could be worth revisiting in light of G2, where Stone includes sand and Earth seems to include chunks of rock... It's never been particularly well defined, so it's generally down to whatever the author at the time thinks is stone or earth is.

She could turn vapour into liquid by slowing the movement of the molecules and drawing them together, and could probably do the reverse as well. Moving molecules can generate or help disperse heat, but it's not quite the same thing as direct temperature manipulation. I think most Toa are theoretically capable of producing at least some heat by moving their element around (e.g, Pohatu can rub two rocks together very fast so that the friction creates heat and maybe even a spark), but it's really just a more intense version of you rubbing your hands together to get warm.

I think a Toa of Water might be able to vibrate the molecules of the water, which could generate heat and boil it, but it's probably quite difficult to do. Don't know if the same could be done for other elements, though. Pohatu might be able to manipulate rock as if it were liquid, but it wouldn't be the same as making it into lava. I imagine a Ga-Toa wouldn't be able to do the reverse and cool the water down, short of churning it to disperse the heat. But I think she could, with practice, sculpt a column of water into an ice-like solid shape and hold it there temporarily without the molecules moving, but because she couldn't control the temperature directly to freeze it, it would collapse when she broke off her concentration.

Ooh, nice idea about the camouflage! I like the idea that Matoran's colours might naturally vary a little due to fluctuations in their elemental energy. Maybe they go duller and paler when they're sick, or shift slightly in response to environmental changes (Like how the Matoran seemed to have more greys and silvers in Metru Nui, but bright, solid colours on Mata Nui.) Midak skyblasters are called that because the blasters didn't have a name when the Toa first got them. The light spheres reminded Pohatu of a little eccentric light-loving Onu-Matoran he was friends with, so he wanted to name them after Midak (and Lewa just really really really liked the name "Skyblaster", sooo... compromise!) Lewa and Pohatu are giant adorable dorks, basically.

I'm torn on this one- on the one hand, having a canon, named Bo-character would be great, but on the other, I still like the idea of oddball Matoran that are just completely different from everyone else in their element for no particular reason. It's just fun. Like, I wouldn't want it revealed that Midak was another Av-Matoran all along, for example. Though, I kinda like the idea of visiting Matoran getting swept up in the great Cataclysm chaos and having to be assimilated into one of the six tribes. Like, a few days after setting up the village of Ko-Koro, maybe Nuju notices a couple of villagers engaging in strange behaviours such as making friendly conversation, complaining about the cold, running around outside during thunderstorms, and being female. So, deciding he's had enough of That Sort Of Nonsense, he has them sent off to live in Ga-Koro. It caused a few awkward questions at first ("So, if you're Ga-Matoran, why are you white?"), but they fitted in pretty well, aside from having to occasionally be reminded that thunderstorms and swimming do not mix. The thing about Bo-Matoran enjoying swimming and being on the ground is fanon rather than actual canon, but you can't really dispute the logic. Plants love water and soil, so it follows that plant-people would like those things too. Some interpretations have it that Bo-Matoran don't mind heights and are good tree-climbers, but I'm happy to put that down to individual differences. After all, some plants grow or climb as high as they can, while others grow very low to the ground. (It'd be cool to see G2 Lewa exhibiting more plant-related traits, since we never got to see much of the Bo-type characters in G1).

I actually did have a topic on that a while ago with regard to Matoran, at least (dead thread, so don't post). Basically, they forget anything that they don't actively think about on a regular basis, and extreme trauma or drastic change of environment can cause a reset of sorts. Come to think of it, there are probably a whole bunch of little amnesiacs running around after the GSR was destroyed... Most of the Glatorian seem to remember the Core War and the Shattering, but Metus in TLR apparently didn't. Maybe Glatorian can live longer than Agori (though most don't live that long due to a dangerous lifestyle), so very few of today's Agori were actually around during the Shattering.

I like the idea of them being utterly flummoxed by the way people act around babies. And if you subscribe to the theory that MU brains are more or less synthetic models of Agori/Glatorian brains, they probably have a bunch of instincts accidentally programmed in that they've just never used before. So, somebody shows a Toa a baby and they just start instantly start going "Awwww... oosa good bubbadub? Yousa good bubbadub! Yes!" before getting ahold of themselves and going "What is that thing and what did it just do to me?" (Any Matoran bystanders just start to assume babies work somewhat similarly to a mask of Incomprehension)

I can understand why people generally wouldn't want kids on Bara Magna- they probably struggled to find enough to eat for themselves, and having a child would be a drain on their limited resources. Many Agori had dangerous jobs, and couldn't guarantee they would always be around for their children... But after Spherus Magna reformed? Plenty of food and water, and a much safer environment? Babies! Babies everywhere! (Side note: Matoran and Toa's reactions to encountering babies for the first time would be hilarious)

I like the fleshing out of the burial rituals, and how Vakama is still Vakama even in this different context. It's nice to see people expanding on the G2 lore, and the grandfather-grandson was beautifully done. Great job! Let me guess... Takua is the irresponsible "cool uncle" that the kids adore but is never allowed to babysit on his own?

We know that Agori and Glatorian are ridiculously long-lived. Some of the most ancient beings in the Matoran Universe- Artakha, Tren Krom, Helryx, etc, would be about the equivalent of a twenty year old in Spherus Magnan terms, if that. Gresh is over 100 000 years old and is barely acknowledged as an adult. Gresh is the equivalent of a human in his early twenties. He was a child during the Core War. I'd estimate him to be maybe between 100 000 and 150 000 based on that, but it's a shot in the dark given that we don't know the actual length of their lifespans. So, it's difficult to nut out exactly how long they live, but I've got an interesting question. Do Sphereus Magnans' aging processes scale with humans at all? As in, if an Agori can live to, say, 500 000-600 000 years, does that mean that they reach adulthood at around 100 000 years? Do Agori parents spend 10 000 years potty training their kids? I can see why many would choose not to have children if this was the case. Population growth would be unbelievably slow, unless parents chose to have several kids in quick succession- and that's assuming the gestation period isn't also stretched out... It's a bit ridiculous, isn't it? Well, the alternative is just as ridiculous. Here we have a comparatively short childhood (could be anything between 20 and 10 000 years to be considered "short") followed by a looooong adulthood. Picture this- you see two young Agori that look to be roughly the same age hanging out together. You think you can see a family resemblance, so you ask if they're sisters. Nope, turns out one is the great-great-great-grandmother of the other. You could have potentially hundreds of generations of the same family alive at the same time. You could start dating someone old enough to be your great-great-great-great grandparent, and nobody would bat an eyelid. In prosperous times, population growth would be enormous as long as child mortality was low. You can just imagine what family reunions must be like. Weirdly enough, there's support for that second theory given that the regression of the Vorox happened over many generations. If you use the first hypothesis (and assume that Vorox grow and age at the same rate as other Glatorians), the time since the Core War would only allow for one, or at most, two generations to pass. So, childhoods must be comparatively short in order for them to reach breeding age several times over in that time. Though, Vorox may operate by slightly different rules than other Spherus Magnans... What do you think? Is there a reasonable solution to all this? Apart from "Ignore all of Greg's attempts to use numbers", I mean? (jk, Greg, we still love ya.) Thoughts?

So it will be animated the same way, be tonally similar, etc? Interesting...

So, is this gonna be in the same continuity as The Lego Movie?