TommyG

I believe you, TLH, had something with there being two Copper Hunas, one being the US version?

And I assume the Silver Huna, Metru Red Noble Huna, Dark Blue Matatu, Pearl Gold Avohkii and Gunmetal Kraahkan, as well as those on the prototype Sand Tarakava and Manas don't count as they are all prototypes?

And are there really just four poisoned Hau Nuvas? Because Bricklink only lists 3.

And do the 2006 Nestle promotion's Kanoka and Rhotuka count?

Lerahk from what may have been Westfield Merry Hill's Asda, in 2003. 

The person behind the replica Tahtorak instructions seems to have done ones for other contest-model Rahi too. Let's hope he continues!

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=548773

If we're going with models that have "set-like images", then all I can think of are the Tohunga ("McToran") that had CGI images, but weren't released as sets. I'm not sure if this includes Hafu and Nuparu, but maybe if they were seen here first.

Kapura (Possible, but only with a misprinted Red Ruru)

Hahli (Possible)

Kotu (Impossible, as the Rau wasn't printed that colour in real life to my knowledge)

Tamaru (Impossible, as the Rau, torso and arms weren't printed those colours in real life to my knowledge)

Taipu (Possible)

Kopeke (Not sure about the colours...)

Takua (Possible)

Other than that, what other "set-like images" are there of characters not released as sets, combiners, etc. ?

That's so awesome! Man, I never realized you could do that. Awesome Bionicle mini-figs.

 

-NotS

I wish you could find the pens to purchase somewhere, or just these parts specifically ala Bricklink.

Hewkii was released as a Mctoran and a MoLtoran, so you could just use his kakama instead of pohatu's.

If somebody does pull this trick off, post pictures!

Yeah, but I was referring to the pen parts of which there's only Pohatu's Kakama, not the actual masks themselves.

I have a neat idea for a BIONICLE set implementation but can't try it out at this point in time.

You may have heard of this way of using BIONICLE pen parts on top of a minifigure to make little BIONICLE minifigures:

You can take the bead and the mask that fits on it, squeeze it onto the minifigure torso and have a little Toa minifigure. But a thought occured to me that you could do this with Pohatu's, put it onto a small cream/brown body and give an actual Hewkii doll to Macku!

Can anyone try this out for me? Or perhaps PM me if they have some pen parts they'd be willing to give?

I have a neat idea for a BIONICLE set implementation but can't try it out at this point in time.

You may have heard of this way of using BIONICLE pen parts on top of a minifigure to make little BIONICLE minifigures:

You can take the bead and the mask that fits on it, squeeze it onto the minifigure torso and have a little Toa minifigure. But a thought occured to me that you could do this with Pohatu's, put it onto a small cream/brown body and give an actual Hewkii doll to Macku!

Can anyone try this out for me? Or perhaps PM me if they have some pen parts they'd be willing to give?

 

Now that's a first to me. I'd wager it's just people not sure what color it's meant to be in the past and just listed it as either, thus causing Bricklink to now list it as available in two.

 

But that does remind me -- Does anyone else think that the second Great Rau should be removed?

 

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Feel like I should let everyone know that the mask list has been slightly updated with the 8th new solid gold mask - the Skull Spider! I've also been unsuccessful in finding the two Hordika masks left, so this weekend will likely take some pictures of my own parts to fill those slots.

 

Also, for all those that were interested in a combiner list, this new topic might interest you.

 

~|ET|~

 

Yep, the two colours are pretty similar... It says the same thing about his gold Toa Hagah Iruni staff.

And yeah, I've heard on TFW2005's Bionicle topic the Metru masks were printed with a lighter or darker shade on the 2006 Matoran, or at least Velika & Dalu. Not sure if counts or not.

 

 

Neither were the fan models, which he already mentioned.

Yes, but those are buildable from existing pieces and many of them have instructions out there if people want to actually construct them. A lot of the models seen in video games and other media are actually physically impossible to build.

 

-NotS

 

Well like Dorek said, there are still ones that are possible to build (like at the very least, 01-04 Matoran) physically. And I wouldn't really call 5 or 6 or so instructions as many for fan models.

 

 

BS01's set database is in what I like to call prenatal stages, but we're working on it. A document like this would be super helpful, and personally I think that any and all non-mainline set releases should count. Even the playsets, even the fan models, etc.

 

What, so even the ones that don't exist as models but with images that have LEGO construction (2001 Makuta, 2001-2004 Matoran, Fikou Nui, Bionicle Heroes things, etc.)?

 

No, he meant physical set releases. Those were never released so they don't count.

 

-NotS

 

Neither were the fan models, which he already mentioned.

BS01's set database is in what I like to call prenatal stages, but we're working on it. A document like this would be super helpful, and personally I think that any and all non-mainline set releases should count. Even the playsets, even the fan models, etc.

 

What, so even the ones that don't exist as models but with images that have LEGO construction (2001 Makuta, 2001-2004 Matoran, Fikou Nui, Bionicle Heroes things, etc.)?

Here's a thought: did the Fikou start out as a combiner? What would that make every proceeding Fikou model?

So, what can we work on at the moment that isn't already being covered by you?

I think BS01 has a lot (but not all) of the combiners' instructions: http://biomediaproject.com/bmp/building-instructions/

Here are the famous Tahtorak recreation instructions: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=407397&n=0

And here are the (as far as BS01 says) official instructions for some of the contest models:

Aqua Blaster Blade - http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Toa-Terakk/Bionicle/AquaBlasterBlade/instructions.png

Minion - http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=194094

Piraka Fusion - http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=220923

Toa Krakua - http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=138577

Tobduk - http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=465699

Darkness - http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=203707

Does anybody have photos of back sides of the other minifigure sets?

You may just have to search for images of the back of their boxes, such as this:

Bricklink says the Golden Lhikan Hau is a different colour slightly, but I've heard from TLH that it isn't. Could it be possible that it was printed slightly differently like the masks of the Voya Nui matoran?

Like count for what? This is a database, it's goal is to provide information on all the subjects it can. It's not like we are arguing about canonicity or something. Heck i would even add a separate category for all the contest winning models, with instructions and piece counts!

Good point. Though canonicity clearly wasn't the point; it was the lack of instructions, which is already present on so many models in the database. So... the alternate Manga Inspired combiners also count then?

Having said all of this, I'd like to know what the (presumably very) fine line for what "counts" or not is. I mean we first have the officially LEGO designer-designed models present in any direct source that is instruction manual, stand-alone set, online or LEGO magazine, be it canonical or not. Everything from the Kardas Dragon to those three non-canon Piraka combiners. But we also have those that came with the Kabaya sweets which still came on official LEGO packages, if only there. And then we have this Japanese Bohrok combiner which only appeared on a Japanese website, but in the same spot as other directly official and Kabaya combiners. Then we have a Rahkshi combiner which appeared in one of the comics but originally came from the Japanese LEGO Magazine... in whatever fashion it was (and there were some others that didn't make the cut). And finally we have these Piraka Korean combiners which at least one of has instructions.

Also, I've heard they removed the alternate models off of such sets because children complained that there were no instructions on how to build them.

I don't know if the contest models belong in this kind of database (though we do have the two "inspired by BIONICLE" builds which I'm fine with keeping), but even if it would be a separate thing, I'd love to see someone take up the task. As far as I know, we have some attempted recreation instructions for Tahtorak, and official (BS01 lists them) instructions for the following (check their pages on BS01 for them):

Yeah, but you can also say that about the Turaga Nui, alternate Kabaya combiners, Piraka Korean Irnakk-like combiner, Rahkshi Japanese LEGO Magazine combiner, Matoran '03 Combiners...

One thought, what about how Krahka has black & white instructions, but a picture with the "correct" colours? Should there be a photoshopped "colourised" version? Does the picture have all the right colours?

Ooh, parts list for each would be good (but probably in an external link or something).

Yeah, we should totally include the alternate playset builds as well (some of which are on BS01's Combiners/Alternate Models gallery), even if there's practically no instructions of them that exist.

I'm kind of gleefully surprised people are all taking the Korean Piraka Combiners as legitimate now, when in the past I think there was (skeptical?) discussion over whether they were real or not.

The set list linked in the Japanese Bohrok Combiner topic mentioned that... 

• All sets, save the manas, could be combined into a Rahi Nui, though instruction were never shown.

...Shouldn't count, right? There was only a descriptive of what it looked like (part of this Rahi, part of that Rahi, etc.) and no actual official image of it besides of its stinger (???), though its description may be enough to make a very simple model out of the sets alone, though you could perhaps also say the same thing for the Metru-Nui Matoran Nui.

Another thing, there were other combiners made in the same place as what the Japanese LEGO Magazine Rahkshi combiner allegedly originated from, but they weren't used in the magazine. Probably don't count, but here they are anyway.

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=403615

Did they run out of the black axles? Consistency with the other combiner?

Wow, are there any other obscure foreign non-canon promotion-related possibly "unofficial" combiners we're forgetting here?

Since we're being all-inclusive, I'd also like to include the back-of-the-box alternate models for the playsets (put on a lot of regular LEGO sets of the time):

Wow!  That's one neat model!  To think that that's existed all these years, and almost nobody knew about it...

 

I wonder if there are any other Japanese combiners we don't know about.  Anyone here fluent enough in Japanese to poke around that site in the first post and look some more?  I know that there's the Kabaya Turaga combiner and the Kabaya Bohrok Va combiner, and I just found out about the three Rahkshi combiners today (Two Kabaya ones: one red/brown and one green/white, and the red/black/blue one from the back of comic 14).  And of course, there's this new Bohrok combiner.  There were Kabaya promotional versions of some of the 03 Matoran, right?  Did they have any sort of special Japanese combiner model?

 

Also, someone mentioned looking for a database of combiner instructions.  BS01 has most of them, as mentioned above, but I found a Brickshelf gallery online that has numerous good photos of almost every single alternate model from Bionicle, even most of the obscure ones.  The only things I noticed missing were the Sand Stalker from 2009, Gaardus from 2010, and this newly discovered Bohrok combiner.  There aren't any instructions, but the photos could be helpful, especially for smaller models like the 03 Matoran combiners.  Here's the link: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=393720

 

By the way, was anyone ever able to actually find instructions for the red/black/blue Japanese Rahkshi combiner?  (I'm not that great at constructing a set just from pictures of the finished product.)  That combiner seems like it would be neat to build, and if instructions for it exist, I would love to see them.

Yeah, the best we have at the moment of the "Japanese but not Kabaya" Rahkshi combiner may be this guy's (Looserkiller's) reconstruction of it, which he also has a video on:

So, does it count as an official model then? It says they took it from the Japanese LEGO Club magazine in Issue 14.

I also remember constructing the two other Japanese Rahkshi Combiners, but I remember the ball-joints on the (top of the) legs of the green/white one possibly being worse off because of it, and the red/brown one may have also needed strong joints (or at least stronger that the ones I was using) to support the arms properly.

Assuming those are legitimate, of course, but we do have instructions for at least one of them:

_{Hey BS01, add these if they count!}

Yeah... If you were to go ahead and reserve me a Disk of Time and Mask of Time so we could later work out some kind of order, that'd be great.

Interesting.

There seems to be a strong lack of more in depth information about the parts tub 8713, and I'm curious because it seemed to have McToran discs, masks and body pieces, so could you potentially make the McToran sets out of it?