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And what Characters do you think they should voice?

That sounds like a great deal. :)However, doesn't this topic go in either here or somewhere else in Marketplace Banter & Promotions?

many Matoran (Onepu, for example) were very mature.

Onepu isn't the best example, given his MNOG2 portrayal of "teaching" Taipu how to do both of their work for Onepu lol. But your basic point works yeah. Jaller would be a better example.And I did not know that about that alternate universe, interesting. Learn something new every...

Well, if I recall correctly they were meant to be the workers destined to maintain the Great Spirit Robot. Perhaps they had been shaped at a children-like height due to determined jobs that required them to have such a size. However, Matoran weren't meant to be children in BIONICLE, IMO, as there's no family structure between Toa, Turaga and Matoran. They're robots, after all, so they shouldn't have a notion of "family", since they do not have all those things ( which I'm not gonna say here ) that are behind our family idea.In conclusion, I'd say no, seen what I said and what Taipu1 said.

Hey Emile,I agree with with you but there is a distinct characteristic change. Im mean Takua changed instantly. Besides, I would say there is a family like structure. Toa treat all their Matoran as sons and daughters. And Turaga respectively

I don't remember this thing, but I can remember that often Toa referred each one to the other as "brother" or "sister": So what? They weren't "born" from the same mother and father, or however it happens.

In like the first comic Kopaka hugs Matoro and says"Its okay, your safe now.

No, he didn't! He grabbed Matoro because they were falling off the edge of a cliff! He didn't give Matoro a hug because Matoro was scared or something like that.

Given the idea that all beings in the robot served some biological purpose, I think this is a pretty solid theory. The Matoran served as red blood cells, the Toa as white blood cells, and the Makuta as a virus to be hunted down and subdued by the Toa. There's a lot more to this theory somewhere but I'm too lazy to find the actual source. :/Anyways, the point is that the Toa acted as a defense mechanism to keep Mata-Nui alive whether they were aware of it or not. It makes sense that Mata-Nui would have a system for transporting them to the areas where the virus needed warding off, same as our bodies do.gee I wanted to write a big reply to this but I'm terribly concise I guess

That mask, along with the other gunmetal/silver Great masks, were sold in either the mask packs of '01 or the Krana packs of '02 (not sure which). There's some confusion as to what the "official" color of the masks are - they're listed on Bricklink under both Metallic Silver and Pearl Dark Gray - but I believe they're all the same. They tend to sell for around $1-3.

Well, if I recall correctly they were meant to be the workers destined to maintain the Great Spirit Robot. Perhaps they had been shaped at a children-like height due to determined jobs that required them to have such a size. However, Matoran weren't meant to be children in BIONICLE, IMO, as there's no family structure between Toa, Turaga and Matoran. They're robots, after all, so they shouldn't have a notion of "family", since they do not have all those things ( which I'm not gonna say here ) that are behind our family idea.In conclusion, I'd say no, seen what I said and what Taipu1 said.

Hey Emile,I agree with with you but there is a distinct characteristic change. Im mean Takua changed instantly. Besides, I would say there is a family like structure. Toa treat all their Matoran as sons and daughters. And Turaga respectively

I don't remember this thing, but I can remember that often Toa referred each one to the other as "brother" or "sister": So what? They weren't "born" from the same mother and father, or however it happens.

Well, if I recall correctly they were meant to be the workers destined to maintain the Great Spirit Robot. Perhaps they had been shaped at a children-like height due to determined jobs that required them to have such a size. However, Matoran weren't meant to be children in BIONICLE, IMO, as there's no family structure between Toa, Turaga and Matoran. They're robots, after all, so they shouldn't have a notion of "family", since they do not have all those things ( which I'm not gonna say here ) that are behind our family idea.In conclusion, I'd say no, seen what I said and what Taipu1 said.

It just seems to make sense to me. The matoran have higher pitch voices and are really small. Then you have the Toa who are tall and strong. They also seem in there own right, more mature when they are toa, like Takua when he changes to Takanuva. He has an instat personalty change. When the Turaga are the elderly. They are wise but not that strong.I know Matoran are not meant to be children but why do the three main things in the Matoran universe all relate to the three main stages of are universe?

Hey guys. A good few years back I was having a holiday in France. They were selling really old Bionicles from like 2001 and 2002. They also still did those bags where you got some masks and a Krana. Im sure you all remember them.Any way i ended up getting a Pearl dark grey Hau. Same colour as Makutas amour. I didnt think much of it at the time but jnow all these years later i try and find it in the internet and there are no traces of it.By the way it wasn't the infected HauAlso I wish I could take a picture but the mask is long gone thrown way now at the great downfall of my first collection, where only the Toa Nuva survived. Any way, can any one help me with this. Was I actually in possession of a really rare mask or is it nothing special at all.

Those masks would be expensive if it was real copper. Copper is worth a lot these days

For a better understanding of our not-so-fine-minded friend, check out my epic, linked to in my sig. There will be more later depicting his feelings, thoughts, experiences and such that led to him becoming the way we saw him after he left his realm. But to give a bit of my own opinion, he was driven by hate and jealosy, and ambition, to rule the universe, which does rather make him evil.

I was talking about jealousy as a choice, before that drove him insane (if in fact it did). Also, it's not that simple. Someone can be both insane and evil, if they're making conscious choices for evil actions but insanity has helplessly driven other actions.Also, it can be argued that all evil (selfishness, pride, etc.) is a form of insanity, since it is counterproductive in the long run to the individual. Just not to the degree of insanity that the law (here in America anyways; I don't know which laws you are referring to per se) refers to.And no, he need not have looked at that, but that's a good point. We can't know what he did and didn't look at.But one plausible scenario is that he latched onto jealousy of Artakha, and focused on that, which was an evil choice, which could have led to other evil choices, selfish ones. Due to pride he refused to admit he was wrong, and roasted in this psychological mess until it eventually drove him insane (perhaps ).This theoretical insanity may have locked him into not being able to look at good alternate futures, being already convinced it wouldn't be good. It's actually a very common psychological problem in real life that is not usually called insanity, that people become convinced one route of investigation can't produce good results to justify refusing to do that investigation; I see it all the time. If he really was driven insane, then you could easily expect this times a thousand.That would help explain why he started to use the alternate visions as a weapon of sorts, as he did when the Matoran that would become the Inika visited his realm.If the above scenario is the case, he still would likely have had to make conscious evil choices that would lead him down the path of insanity. Insanity justifying an action can only work in reverse; the insanity leads to the choices.I've used your wording of that idea above, but really the law is not saying the action is okay (justified) if it is caused by insanity. For example, if someone had a literally uncontrollable urge to kill due to insanity and this could not be cured, you wouldn't say, "Oh, then it's okay to let him go free, 'cuz it's insanity." No, the action is still wrong even if it's caused by insanity. So justified isn't really the best word. (If any law does say that then it's a bad law; rather the point of the "insanity defense" is supposed to be to identify which kind of treatment is to be used; traditional jail as punishment or a psychological institution/jail to try to cure the insanity, etc.)I know whatcha mean though; you're wondering if insanity came first before consciously choosing evil. But I think it's still not really established that he was insane to begin with. Greg has confirmed that for some characters like Mutran, but has he for Karzahni?Also, what evidence is there that coming clean, etc. -- the stuff I said in my first post here -- would necessarily lead to a negative outcome for him? I'm talking not about one that a prideful, selfish being thinks is demeaning, but one that even a humble being would not dare face, like perhaps being killed. Bionicle is full of heroes who made mistakes (Lesovikk) and villains who were accepted later to help do good (Miserix). If at the very beginning especially he simply said, "look, this isn't working, I'm not good enough at this alone, let's find solutions to this problem" he never would have been seen as a villain. Just someone who was assigned a job, but wasn't able to carry it out.Arguably if he took the delegating tasks route he could end up better off than before as he'd be a ruler of an important and respected institution in the Matoran Universe. He could have been an overseer of repairs rather than the sole repairer himself, with many more people answering to him, and willingly so.Maybe some of those alternate visions would show a negative outcome but certainly not all. In fact having that power should have helped him guide his actions towards the best outcome.The one way I can see the "insanity defense" is that the GBs who assigned the task didn't even know he was sapient, or anyone else, so they must not have been paying close enough attention, so we can't be sure he wasn't insane from the start as a glitch. Still, it seems unlikely they would have picked a glitching person for the role.

You should do more. Please do a Tahu Nuva sword. That would look so cool.

Yeh, I go to a really good Bionicle seller on eBay. Ive got loads of sets from her and pretty cheap too. She has like every single set in huge supply.

[on the subject of GregF's return]GregF ain't coming back. I'm sorry, but BIONICLE is dead — no point lying to ourselves.

Yeah, and one huge alternate future he probably spent a lot of time looking at was how much better his life would have been if he'd taken Artakha's place. Jealousy with actual backing in a sense. Not that that justifies it, but yeah.

Yes; the BioMedia Project has all the comics available for download under "images".If memory serves, the final comic was released in 2010.

EDIT: That "Any" in thew title should be "anywhere"I never really read a lot of the comics and I would really like to start. Also when did the comics end? 2009, 2010 or 2011?Edit: Topic title fixed.-Wind-

Obviously Vezon :/No Im just joking. What about the new Hydraxon. He WAS a po-matoran wasnt he? he must be quite strong.

Are you talking about the murderer?

That's defiantly Turaga Dume. He came with Nivawk.

He was originally intended to be good, but he went bad when Arthaka got the Mask of Creation.

My dog chewed up my Avokii. Its now battle damaged.

Ah, but did he have evil intentions when he was being selfish. Imagine this okay: You have a brother who is always rewarded and every one thinks is great. No one really likes or trusts you.

Why would people distrust him unless he had given them reason to? But this is a hypothetical as far as I know; there's no evidence this is true of Karzahni. After all, if nobody trusted him he wouldn't have been assigned that job. Keep in mind too that the GBs did this assigning without even knowing that sapience had been achieved. Probably there was not yet a culture or many people to be around to trust or not trust.

You try to do a nice thing (Fix matorans) so people like you.

Did he try? Personally I believe that although personal talents and weaknesses are important, if we really want to do something that needs done, if we have time and resources to do it, and we want to, we will find a way. He could have delegated parts of the task to those who were more skilled for example and simply been an overseer, or he could have thought harder about how to repair well even if it wasn't the job he really wanted, because he knew it was the right thing to do. More likely he did not care about doing a good job and that is why he didn't.

You bite of more than you can chew. Because you are so proud to admit defeat you keep them there.

Well, that's it right there -- because of pride, all evil results. Pride is at the root of all other evil. Also, I think some people get a sort of exaggerated feeling about that word, "evil" and think that normal people, even good guys, don't do evil things. But anything wrong that is done is an evil.I think what you're trying to ask is, did he choose to devote himself to evil over doing good? That is, a good guy is someone who still does the wrong (selfish, prideful) thing sometimes, but is trying to do the right thing, at least when it matters more, etc. A bad guy may do some good things, and have some good intentions, but if overall they have devoted themselves to pride, to selfishness, etc. then in plain English they are evil. If not, then what is the point of asking if someone is evil? If Karzahni is ruled out of that then nobody could be evil, right? So then all you've done is redefine the word, and under the normal definition he's still evil. Does that help?

What you are doing is selfish, but your not doing it intentionally to be selfish are you?

Selfish by definition is about intentions. How could you have an action that is selfish without selfish intentions? If you didn't have that intention the action wouldn't be selfish. It would just be an accident. I don't see how you accidently enslave people, cover up your actions, and try to conquer lol. Accidently doing a bad job, yes. I'm not saying he would be evil for that.Some actions cannot be done without bad intentions, at least under most circumstances and I don't see how these would be exceptions.

A bit between toys and movie mode. They look a lot like the toys but their masks can cove with their expressions and have proper fingers. They still have gear functions and stuffI also love how the movie made the Hordika look. I didnt think they were ugly. They looked quite cute actually. You want ugly, get ignika.