Mailli

 

Also explains why the Toa Mata are midgets compared to the Inika.

This is a huge misconception that has been cleared up many times over. In story, all Toa are around 7 feet tall, meaning the Mata/Nuva are the same height as the Inika. The sets differ in height so much because of the scale of the pieces the set designers used. 

 

Oh, ok... 

I always loved the idea of the Toa Mata towering over the Jaller, Kongu, etc. and then it being the other way round on Voya Nui.

But it's not true...

Meh, I can imagine the standard Toa build being the Inika build, but without the same masks. The Inika masks were "organic" (I don't even know how that works for a mask), and considered very weird.

 

 

 

    However, after 100,000 years of degenerating in canisters, they wound up looking quite different. 

Also explains why the Toa Mata are midgets compared to the Inika.

Thinking over it, an electromagnet would pretty useless for a toa because it would stick to themselves before anyone else.

In a robot where everything and everyone is metal, they could be very powerful.

Electromagnets need a spiraling current, so maybe it could work.

But maybe protosteel doesn't magnetise like normal metals...

Reboot put me off super-high expectations, but still high!

If Bionicle's story wasn't complex, I wouldn't be here.

Very private. At my high school, people make fun of the Lego Movie a lot, so I have never brought up Bionicle in public. I prefer to keep my interests like that private:)

I feel sorry for you, I hate only being able to talk about with a few friends, so that must be terrible.

I'm in a luckier situation because everyone's very accepting at my school, but there are still no other true fans I know of.

That chest mounted gatling-style gun on the protector of earth, love it.

Me to friends:

"Hey do you remember Bionicle, the lore and storyline's actually pretty deep!"

"Lol, I had that golden one-eyed guy, he was so cool."

"Oh, that's Keetongu. He's a legendary rahi who can cure visorak mutation and killed Sidorak."

"Wait, what's a rahi?"

"It's basically an animal."

"Huh, I thought he was a great warrior or something. What about the fly-grandpa-thingies in the film?"

"Rahaga?...

(An hour of explaining later...)

"Wait, why didn't Makuta do this?

"Because he's an arrogant b*****d."

I try to get some friends interested, they like Warhammer 40k, Halo, that sort of stuff, but it took a while for them to take me seriously, and even now they can't tell Vezon from a Toa.

 

How about, they use an Olmak to try and get to where the Great-Beings took refuge to find out stuff for Mata Nui, but some protective shield around the Great-Beings' planet warps them randomly to Okoto, and they need to  get the mask of creation in that dimension and revive Ekimu to make a kanohi Olmak to take them back.

 

Hurrah! It's a continuation after all!

 

I have never seen a purer form of sheer desperation.

 

The past is to be celebrated, but we need to move on and learn to let it go.

 

Use a bit of imagination and you could theorise anything.

How about, they use an Olmak to try and get to where the Great-Beings took refuge to find out stuff for Mata Nui, but some protective shield around the Great-Beings' planet warps them randomly to Okoto, and they need to  get the mask of creation in that dimension and revive Ekimu to make a kanohi Olmak to take them back.

Hurrah! It's a continuation after all!

I think Toa Okoto is the best idea, a throwback to the island naming thing.

Everyone seems to know what you mean if you call them that.

It's really starting to not feel like what Bionicle was. No original matoran alphabet, the masters aren't even referred to as Toa, and why doesn't Arthaka have the mask of creation? I know it's probably a reboot, but I feel like we've lost so much.

Couldn't they've at least kept the same alphabet? Called the mask creator guy Arthaka? Toa instead of master?

 

More depth in terms of locations and events, the kind that side-stories of other characters with different adventures provide.  We have a 100,000 year stretch of time on both Bara Magna and in the GSR with very little to fill it with.

 

So, I suppose, more worldbuilding.  Now, keeping the air of mystery is one thing, but never explaining it is another, especially for a universe as large as Bionicle.

Counter to that point, I would argue for a less absurd time scale. Bionicle's timeline was insane, with characters being functionally immortal and events being spaced farther apart than they should ever have needed to be. For example, it would not have made a single difference if the amount of time between the Matoran's arrival on Mata Nui and the Toa Mata's arrival had been 100 years instead of 1000, because both are improbably long periods of time. I hope the new story's timeline keeps the bloat to a minimum so that there don't HAVE to be thousand-year gaps to fill in the first place.

 

I liked the long timeline...

 

I'd like to see some sort of cameo with the original MU. Maybe have Vezon suddenly show up?

I would LOL if the animated series would show a portal opening in a distant place, Vezon showing up, peeking around and returning.

 

That would be fantastic!!! Why create new characters when the old ones still have so much potential? Is Velika going to come and try and blow up the Toa Okoto?

 

 

I'd like to see a citation of when touching it with for example a hand would hurt. I don't recall this off the top of my head, though it's my memory so that's not much help lol. The solidified air bubbles could hurt on impact because they're solid, and the purpose of them to my current understanding is so the air gets in the way of breathing water, same as a fish out of water in the real world, even if for a short time (as that could also hurt). But just touching an air bubble like that surrounding Mahri Nui or in airweed with their hands alone, I would not think would hurt (unless breathing water is done not just by gills but all over their body, akin to some odder types of respiration in bugs).

 

In City of the Lost, in the Bionicle legends book series, it says that "Carapar took care to stay far away from the [airweed]. Like other creatures of the pit, air was toxic to him."

Well, that's not definitive. Walking through a bunch of sticky bubbles that might come off on you anywhere and float up to collect around your head when you knock them off simply by brushing past the long, tall grasslike plants could certainly prove deadly to a water-breathing creature in the normal sense. Was there something else, or was this the ref that started this idea?

 

I guess saying extracting air is incorrect, so maybe they need oxygen from the water, but some other element in the air is harmful to them (nitrogen gas?)

It's important to understand (and I tend to assume everybody does, but maybe not; maybe this is where people are getting confused, so let's go there) that both air breathers and water breathers are extracting oxygen from something, and this matters because you need different 'machinery' to extract oxygen from air versus water.

 

Air breathers extract oxygen from a mixture of gases, mostly nitrogen.

 

Water breathers extract oxygen from being dissolved in a liquid; water.

 

It isn't that nitrogen gas produces an allergic reaction to fish; it's not that kind of harm, though it can be described as poisonous in a sense; it's that their machinery is designed to get O from liquid water, not from gaseous nitrogen. Different chemical systems must be used to make that happen, and the same sort of thing can be true in Bionicle with a nitrogen equivalent (perhaps nitrogen itself) and protowater or real water.

 

Now it's possible for the nitrogen substance to also be poisonous in the sense of an allergic reaction by any touch, but that's never been stated for Bionicle so far as I know, and if it was the case, you'd think they'd go out of the way to let us know that, rather than go on letting us assume it's like a fish out of water; the fish's skin doesn't start reacting chemically with air, it's just that its gills can't get the oxygen out of the air.

 

Does this help?

 

So you're saying that air is not toxic to touch for water-breathers in bionicle lore, but they choke, just like fish do in air and we do in water, if they try to breathe air in? So this means that it works exactly like in our world, and the risk from airweed and solid air projectiles is inhaling the air or the physical hit from the air?

I mean, why didn't Carapar just hold his breath?

 

blaaaaaah, here it is, time for me to bust up on what i hated about protodermis:

 

because i am really really REALLY disappointing in the way it went down, from a neat fictional metal-like ore. to-

 

what, what even was it in the end? the ground was proto? the trees were proto? WE were proto?

 

nah, i'll take molten, liquid, energized, raw, and refined (and steel) as what i think the total extent of proto's capabilities should be.

 

(basically i want my dirt to be dirt and my trees to just be trees, thank you. :t )

I have to agree with you. I always thought protodermis was a special element in the Bionicle universe, but there was still carbon, iron, hydrogen, and the rest. 

 

I'm pretty sure everything non protodermis came from aqua magna after the great cataclysm. There are few exceptions like the paper scroll with the instructions to wake up Mata Nui, the mask of creation made of gold, and Mata Nui robot's face camouflage thing that became Mata Nui island. But these are all either special items or stuff on the surface of the MU.

 

I'd like to see a citation of when touching it with for example a hand would hurt. I don't recall this off the top of my head, though it's my memory so that's not much help lol. The solidified air bubbles could hurt on impact because they're solid, and the purpose of them to my current understanding is so the air gets in the way of breathing water, same as a fish out of water in the real world, even if for a short time (as that could also hurt). But just touching an air bubble like that surrounding Mahri Nui or in airweed with their hands alone, I would not think would hurt (unless breathing water is done not just by gills but all over their body, akin to some odder types of respiration in bugs).

 

In City of the Lost, in the Bionicle legends book series, it says that "Carapar took care to stay far away from the [airweed]. Like other creatures of the pit, air was toxic to him."

I guess saying extracting air is incorrect, so maybe they need oxygen from the water, but some other element in the air is harmful to them (nitrogen gas?)

They're probably gonna target new fans because old fans are probably already gonna buy them anyways. My question is if children of Hero Factory (those who've never had Bionicles) going to get Bionicles, or if they're gonna reject it like a lot of Bionicle fans did when HF first came out.

They better accept the originals!!!

Frankly, the new sets look just like Hero Factory, so the younger audience probably won't care.

To give that a more in-depth response; it would likely be a very interesting strategy, but it is most probably a desperation tactic. The Toa's limbs aren't meant to detach, especially in the heat and speed of a combat situation. Detaching a limb would probably take too much time in battle unless the Toa was willing to potentially cripple themselves permanently.

 

Anyway, it might be too gory for the target market for that to happen in an actual canon fight.

I'm guessing it would be like dislocating a joint. Incredibly painful, but not lethal.

I'm not sure if this is just because of pit mutagen, but the Barraki reacted to air as if it was toxic; just touching would hurt (hence why the Mahri Nui matoran used those air-zamor launchers). Because of this, I assumed that they breathed water and didn't extract air from it as gills do because it would hurt them. Because this is impossible for respiration as we understand it, it's possible that it's not oxygen in the air they need, but something else.

Hmmm... I always imagined that toa had to give up their power WILLINGLY to become a turaga. Bionicle wiki always uses the words "give up", making it sound like it must be willing.

 

Yeah, this was common knowledge. Also, Ihu (as in Mount Ihu in the middle of the island) translates as "nose".

It was indeed noticed before, along with Ihu meaning "nose", Mangai meaning "mouth", Naho meaning "eye"... Although the only words for which I can verify this translation at the moment are Nui and Ihu, Mata apparently means "eye" or "raw" in Maori...

 

Anyway, it was noticed before, but apparently none of us took the hint and figured out it was actually the face of Mata Nui until 2008

 

Wait, they planned that the MU was going to be a giant robot from the start?

It's his fault he wasn't paying attention but that doesn't make him a bad guy, he was focusing solely on his duty as intended.

Kind of like in Greek Tragedies, the hero always has a fatal flaw.

Mata Nui's was that he just didn't care.

 

 

 

When my blood cells grow brains and start attacking, I will blame myself for my not paying attention to their need for honor and respect. 

 

Yup.

 

Mata Nui's job wasn't to make sure everything was fine and dandy inside. He was supposed to visit new worlds, which is exactly what he did.

The reason the league of 6 kingdoms and eventually the brotherhood revolted was because he wasn't caring for his insides, and they thought they could do better. So it was actually his responsibility.

 

No it wasn't. Mata Nui had no obligation to make sure no one was revolting - that was not his mission. And the League planned the revolt because they were taking advantage of the fact that Mata Nui wasn't paying attention, not because they felt like they needed attention.

And if he had been paying attention, it wouldn't have happened, so it was his fault.

 

 

Looking back on the story, I noticed something. Mata-Nui is not a very good charactor.

I noticed you're not a very good speller.

 

Boy, you're a nice guy.

 

Sorry, couldn't help myself. I have a thing about spelling and grammar.