Padishah Mehmet II

Firstly, it's not in any way stated that the event happened immediately after the Argonian invasion. I'll have you know that House Hlaalu was one of Morrowind's pre-eminent powers, and it is borderline impossible to remove a Great House from all its holdings overnight. It could not have happened without a war. This war. As for Blacklight being named capital, it's easily assumable that such an event could only be done after Redoran ultimately enforced its power over the country. Regardless, I appreciate you attempting to keep us up to date with lore, but thanks, we'll manage and then some. -Dovydas What I don't understand is why I never received a reply to this post, Icarus. It honestly worries me that it might've been missed, because a) I don't want any more confusion regarding the plot b) I'm still curious how you expected the Hlaalu, aka Morrowind's Cosa Nostra, to just get up and leave without a single shot fired the moment the Redoran dismiss them from the Council. -Dovydas Sorry. I was busy dealing with Tyler over there. I have no doubt House Hlaalu could've fought the Redoran. I have serious doubts that they could've fought the entire Council, considering that it's implied it was a Council decision. Hlaalu probably cut their losses and packed up. > cut their losses when your decision is between PROBABLY losing everything and DEFINITELY losing everything, you don't choose DEFINITELY losing everything. Tbh, if I might suggest, I think your passive-aggressiveness seems to be clouding your judgment. -Dovydas

Firstly, it's not in any way stated that the event happened immediately after the Argonian invasion. I'll have you know that House Hlaalu was one of Morrowind's pre-eminent powers, and it is borderline impossible to remove a Great House from all its holdings overnight. It could not have happened without a war. This war. As for Blacklight being named capital, it's easily assumable that such an event could only be done after Redoran ultimately enforced its power over the country. Regardless, I appreciate you attempting to keep us up to date with lore, but thanks, we'll manage and then some. -Dovydas What I don't understand is why I never received a reply to this post, Icarus. It honestly worries me that it might've been missed, because a) I don't want any more confusion regarding the plot b) I'm still curious how you expected the Hlaalu, aka Morrowind's Cosa Nostra, to just get up and leave without a single shot fired the moment the Redoran dismiss them from the Council. -Dovydas

Firstly, it's not in any way stated that the event happened immediately after the Argonian invasion. I'll have you know that House Hlaalu was one of Morrowind's pre-eminent powers, and it is borderline impossible to remove a Great House from all its holdings overnight. It could not have happened without a war. This war. As for Blacklight being named capital, it's easily assumable that such an event could only be done after Redoran ultimately enforced its power over the country. Regardless, I appreciate you attempting to keep us up to date with lore, but thanks, we'll manage and then some. -Dovydas

IT I KNEW WE FORGOT SOMETHING -Dovydas

We've thrown out the stops on this. I'm sorry. I can't find them again. -Dovydas

Which is a problem we're going to have to deal with. The Ingenium will inevitably stop working eventually - worst case scenario, Vuhon sacrifices all the souls on Vvardenfell, even if Sul doesn't break the Ingenium in this timeline, and comes to the realisation that this was a temporary fix at best and whoops we're all dead again - so what I am saying is that for the love of Christ I don't understand why you seem to want to pick the most inconvenient parts of the timeline to have a TBRPG in. Can't you just choose a time when nothing major was happening and /make up/? as for ripping vvardenfell out of the ground you know, if your main intention was to prevent roleplaying elsewhere, you could just say, "The RPG takes place on Vvardenfell" and no one would even THINK of violating its boundaries. -dovydas (fontless, as I'm on my phone)

Has it occured to you that around that time Vivec disappeared? I don't want to second-guess you before I know anything more, but being in the middle of the ocean with Vivec disappearing and, you know, Baar Dau falling on Vivec City, triggering the Red Year because that's what happens when Vivec's not there to keep it afloat WHILE WE'RE STUCK BEHIND A GIANT WALL OF FIRE seems like an overly plotholed situation, you know? Unless your intention is for all of us to die. -Dovydas

why did you rip vvardenfell out and toss it to the ocean exactly -Dovydas

i'm a grammar syndicalist, not a grammar communist i believe in redistributing capitalisation among democratically organised grammar trade unions. Also, I would be very much glad to work with you in any manner that I might make myself useful, be it simple help in setting everything up or co-GMing, however is best. -Dovydas

will you guys stop saying my name without capitalising it already it's demeaning when you capitalise everyone else's names but not mine -dovydas

I don't usually like being mean, but that's not at all what the community's reaction was. It's more the opposite, really. I'd have phrased it, in the most polite way possible, "Pls go back to the drawing board and Square 1" As for this, this is simply the most ridiculous thing I have heard. This is not a MMORPG. This is not a computer game. Do you understand how roleplays actually work? -Dovydas

With all due respect, I can't be arsed to play a game whose GM thinks his job is to get the players to "see things his way". That's not what GMing is about, in my modest opinion. -Dovydas

Personally, I thought the idea of a game was to have fun and to write a narrative, not to cause misery. Also this. Morrowind is a far happier place at the time of Skyrim than Hammerfell, as despite the war it's more or less rebuilt and is well away from both Imperial and Thalmor conflict or dominance. -Dovydas

If we end up going with Morrowind (and mind you, a Hammerfell RPG wouldn't be bad, I just think the lore is richer, the geography/geology/biology/topography is more diverse, and there's more of a Elder-Scrolls-Player interest, in Morrowind, adding to retention) I'd suggest something during the Aldmeri-Imperial War - more lore to pick from. Perhaps the Aldmeri Dominion can ###### with Morrowind's government in some way (offer bribes, blackmail, etc) that'd stir the pot of corruption in the province. Allows players to get their proverbial toes wet in as many ways as political and societal instability might allow while automatically generating plot content and liberally spreading it around. IMO choosing where to set in Oblivion should be accessory to the main location and plot. Not a fan of this timeline proposal, tbh. Morrowind in the age of the Imperial-Aldmeri War was in some serious rebuilding after the Red Year and its conflict with the Argonians; both the Imperials, that most Dunmer hate with a passion, and the Aldmeri, who the Dunmer don't particularly trust because they initially supported the Argonians, were seen as enemies that should be shot at the border. Unless we want a game about us rebuilding our crab-shell huts after Argonian armies burned them down, let's not place the game in that historical timeline. Granted, then again, there are some possibilities for interesting plot in that time. House Hlaalu's exile, the dominance of House Redoran, etc. Still, imho, let's set it either later (post-Skyrim, which I am inherently not a fan of because I feel like it will become a contest for whose Dragonborn was canon) or earlier than the Fourth Era, because a half-wrecked country is not entirely fun to play in. There's also the Red Year. An atmosphere of total warfare between the Argonians and the Dunmer would be rather interesting to place an RPG in, even if a little straightforward; the plot wouldn't be too complicated, as the war itself wasn't too complicated, just two sides going at it. So, then again, there's a lot more historical events in Morrowind's history that were more politically fascinating and could fit better for an RPG. -Dovydas

Here's an ambitious proposal: how about all of them that we know something about? I mean, there's some pretty vivid descriptions of most realms of oblivion mentioned in lore so far, I can't say why there's a particular reason we should allow people to visit one but not all of them -Dovydas

As the primary Dunmeri nationalist of this forum, I have to insist on Morrowind. I would also like to suggest something nontraditional: it being set not in the Fourth Era, with all its "everything is going to **** now", but in the First Era, in the times of Nerevar Indoril. Because Dwemer, Nords and Chimer going at it with everything short of nuclear weapons is a perfect setting. -Dovydas

you cannot possibly be that daft. -Dov

Purely theoretically, that's bloody racism. -Dov

And yet, doubt snuck into Stanley's mind: perhaps it was not the end? Perhaps he could still yet make amends? "... Naaaah," thought Stanley, and flung himself over the edge. -Dov

Stanley turned on them in a bloodbath, being a vampire and all. -Dov

However, the flawed system of funding for the local national healthcare service meant Stanley came back as a vampire. -Dov

I have walked many thousands of miles to see this and would eagerly walk a thousand more. -Dovydas

How does this even compute. -Dovydas