Deaths and the Red Star

[DrakeWK]

This is a topic I am making to discuses the deaths of Bionicle characters, If they could be revived and what they will look like in there new bodies.

Edited August 3, 2016 by DrakeWK

[Master Inika]

Well, the story already has established rules on how characters can be revived. Generally, anyone who dies in the Matoran Universe and leaves behind enough of a corpse is revived (characters who leave no physical remains, such as Matoro, are not revived). On the Red Star, their appearance is identical to their previous one, since the intention was for them to return as if nothing happened.

[Clyce]

Well, the story already has established rules on how characters can be revived. Generally, anyone who dies in the Matoran Universe and leaves behind enough of a corpse is revived (characters who leave no physical remains, such as Matoro, are not revived). On the Red Star, their appearance is identical to their previous one, since the intention was for them to return as if nothing happened.

Yep, and that about sums it.

[DrakeWK]

I also wanted to talk about death of entities like Karzahni and if he would have been revived

[Toa of Gallifrey]

As far as I remember, Karzahni can't be revived because he died outside of the Matoran Universe.

[Timageness]

While Master Inika and Toa of Gallifrey covered the majority of the essential factors necessary for one to be revived on the Red Star, I would also like to point out that, in addition to those points, beings who died via any form of cranial damage are also killed off permanently, the example being none other than Sidorak himself.

[toa kopaka4372]

Off the top of my head, here's a list of the characters we know have been revived and those who are permanently dead, owing to cause of death (incineration, cranial damage, death outside the Matoran Universe, etc.):

 

Revived:

Lhikan

Hydraxon

Mavrah

Botar

Nocturn

 

Maybe Revived, but unconfirmed:

Ihu

Jovan

 

Permanently Dead:

Kodan

Nikila

Naho

Karzahni (Plant)

Nidhiki

Krekka

Sidorak

Reysa

Matoro

Ancient

Carapar

Tridax

Spiriah

Kojol

Antroz

Vamprah

Chirox

Mutran

Icarax

Krika

Gorast

Bitil

Makuta of Stelt

Karzahni (Being)

Tren Krom

Certavus

Teridax

[Iruini Nuva]

Off the top of my head, here's a list of the characters we know have been revived and those who are permanently dead, owing to cause of death (incineration, cranial damage, death outside the Matoran Universe, etc.):

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This is a fascinating way to look at it. Turns out that if you were important enough to be named, it's extremely likely that you had only one shot at life, ha.

 

Where'd Lhikan end up? Still stuck on the Red Star? Didn't think we ever saw him again.

[Onepu the Protector]

I still can't get over the fact that Lhikan was revived in the Red Star. I can't really say it negates his sacrifice to save Vakama's life (because he wasn't aware of the Red Star's function at that point) but it certainly does reduce its impact from the storytelling standpoint.

Plus, because of his noble sacrifice, he was rewarded by being trapped in a place which is basically the Matoran's equivalent of purgatory or limbo. Sweet.

[Banana Gunz]

Well, I remember that Greg had started this whole Red Star thing because he wanted an isolated zombie story, and it's been implied that something wrong happened aboard the star with how the Kestora spoke and the strange sounds all around.

 

I imagine most of the characters we know that went up there aren't the same as they were. They're probably zombie-like and don't have their memories as they probably weren't rebuilt correctly, so I'd imagine we'd instead have a zombie Lhikan.

[Onepu the Protector]

I still don't like it. I hate the overall idea of the Red Star being a respawn point but it's the revival of Lhikan that annoys me the most.

I remember that Lhikan's death left a big impact on me when I was a little kid (it even made me reluctant to watch B:LoMN for the second time for some time...). Now, as an adult, I realize it's pretty much both the 'hero's mentor dies' and 'taking the bullet for someone else' cliche and that LoMN wasn't too great movie to begin with but the scene of Lhikan's death still gets me every time I happen to see it (even though I hate to admit it most of the time). Seeing the awesome gold-and-red hero you wanted for Christmas in 2005 but didn't get become a fragile elder carried some sort of underlying sadness and his peaceful (well, by 'peaceful', I mean the way he faced it during his talk with Vakama, not the fact that he was killed by Makuta) death concluded his character's arc beautifully.

Edited August 26, 2016 by Onepu the Protector

[Master Inika]

I still don't like it. I hate the overall idea of the Red Star being a respawn point but it's the revival of Lhikan that annoys me the most.

 

I remember that Lhikan's death left a big impact on me when I was a little kid (it even made me reluctant to watch B:LoMN for the second time for some time...). Now, as and adult, I realize it's pretty much both the 'hero's mentor dies' and 'taking the bullet for someone else' cliche and that LoMN wasn't too great movie to begin with but the scene of Lhikan's death still gets me every time I happen to see it (even though I hate to admit it most of the time). Seeing the awesome gold-and-red hero you wanted for Christmas in 2005 but didn't get become a fragile elder carried some sort of underlying sadness and his peaceful (well, by 'peaceful', I mean the way he faced it during his talk with Vakama, not the fact that he was killed by Makuta) death concluded his character's arc beautifully.

I agree. The Red Star's function is, thematically, a terrible idea. It would have been better if Mavrah never showed up at all, the Kestora just said it was supposed to revive the dead, but malfunctioned and didn't work at all.

 

I've never heard Greg wanting them to be like zombies, but that could work as well. Mavrah didn't seem like a zombie when we saw him.

[Timageness]

According to Gaardus' BS01 page, only the Red Star's teleportation systems malfuntioned after he was revived and sent on his way back to the MU, not the actual revival process itself.

Seeing as how Mavrah's says that he arrived for repairs sometime afterwards, but wasn't able to leave due to said malfunction, and the fact that he didn't seem to be negatively affected at all, it's probably safe to say that whatever started causing people to "zombify" would've happened sometime during the thousand years between him being fixed and Kopaka and Pohatu ending up there. This also means that Lhikan would also likely be fine (aside from him being trapped there as well), considering that he actually died before Mavrah and all, unless those who were brought back wrong had the ability to infect others and somehow got to him, of course, as that would be a completely different story.

[Toa Azarius]

Changing subject a bit, is it possible for there to be Two Sentrakh's? because if you remember, he supposedly inhabits a trance state between life and death. my theory is that while TSO was experimenting on him, he died just long enough for the Red Star to build a new sentrakh, one that retained his will(?) either way, that would be one of a story serial.

[Clyce]

Changing subject a bit, is it possible for there to be Two Sentrakh's? because if you remember, he supposedly inhabits a trance state between life and death. my theory is that while TSO was experimenting on him, he died just long enough for the Red Star to build a new sentrakh, one that retained his will(?) either way, that would be one ###### of a story serial.

Not quite. According to BS01,"beings who died in the Matoran Universe were transported to the Red Star, where they would be placed in a new body, and then be returned back to the robot in order to continue working". Basically when a someone dies within the Matoran Universe they are teleported to the red star and then repaired, if possible. They aren't copied and duplicated.

Other notable purposes/features of the RS is that it can create toa from matoran outside the Matoran universe, it provides energy to the Mata Nui robot to allow it to travel in space when it attaches to its back, and it also provides energy to all matoran, toa, and turaga in the matoran universe (much like Telsa's theory on transmitting energy in the form of a signal or wave).

[Master Inika]

 

Changing subject a bit, is it possible for there to be Two Sentrakh's? because if you remember, he supposedly inhabits a trance state between life and death. my theory is that while TSO was experimenting on him, he died just long enough for the Red Star to build a new sentrakh, one that retained his will(?) either way, that would be one ###### of a story serial.

Not quite. According to BS01,"beings who died in the Matoran Universe were transported to the Red Star, where they would be placed in a new body, and then be returned back to the robot in order to continue working". Basically when a someone dies within the Matoran Universe they are teleported to the red star and then repaired, if possible. They aren't copied and duplicated.

 

Other notable purposes/features of the RS is that it can create toa from matoran outside the Matoran universe, it provides energy to the Mata Nui robot to allow it to travel in space when it attaches to its back, and it also provides energy to all matoran, toa, and turaga in the matoran universe (much like Telsa's theory on transmitting energy in the form of a signal or wave).

 

It is an interesting concept. I would also have to say no, simply because Sentrakh's body remained in the Matoran Universe, and when you revive, your physical body is teleported up.