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An Excellent Thread Supporting Bionicle's Return


Makuta_of_Oz

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bonesiii posted a fantastic thread in General Discussion explaining in great detail why Bionicle is highly likely to come back.

 

Click here to read it.

 

I'm considering adding a link to the deviantArt branch too, but I'll need permission first. Stay tuned.

 

EDIT: Permission was granted, and the blog entry is posted.

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You'll note that the topic doesn't address the when or how, which are really the most important goals of your little club, no?
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I know, but I don't mind when or how it comes back, only that is does, and the sets last at least a year and a half.

 

Naturally, though, others will have differing opinions, so I will keep a close eye on this entry.

 

EDIT: Oh, and the club ain't little; it has three branches and a chatroom. ;)

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You wouldn't mind how it comes back, even if it's totally unrecognizable from the current incarnation? That's the part that bothers me the most.

 

Also, I'd call a club about BIONICLE that can't get more 20 members on the largest BIONICLE fansite small, but hey, that's just me.

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3 branches, woo. But seriosuly, how big are these branches? The one here in BZP has 20ish members. That's such a diminutive amount it's practically nothing from a business viewpoint.

 

And really, bonesii is just telling us what most of us already know and accept. BIONICLE has the chance to come back, and it might, eventually. He never said anyhting about forming clubs or anything of the sort. It will come in its own time. A bunch of tfols isn't really going to change much.

Though I guess you've heard this a hundred times by now. :mellow:

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You wouldn't mind how it comes back, even if it's totally unrecognizable from the current incarnation? That's the part that bothers me the most.

 

Also, I'd call a club about BIONICLE that can't get more 20 members on the largest BIONICLE fansite small, but hey, that's just me.

 

If it's unrecognisable, or not even called Bionicle, then we'll have problems.

 

3 branches, woo. But seriosuly, how big are these branches? The one here in BZP has 20ish members. That's such a diminutive amount it's practically nothing from a business viewpoint.

 

And really, bonesii is just telling us what most of us already know and accept. BIONICLE has the chance to come back, and it might, eventually. He never said anyhting about forming clubs or anything of the sort. It will come in its own time. A bunch of tfols isn't really going to change much.

Though I guess you've heard this a hundred times by now. :mellow:

I have indeed heard this over 9,000 times, but it never swayed my opinion.

 

I'll admit that this branch is indeed the biggest in the club (unless the amount of likes on <insert social media site here> = the amount of members of that club). Any ways you suggest that I can advertise the club better would be greatly appreciated.

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Advertising won't suddenly make it effective.

 

I mean, companies advertise dodgy products all the time and it doesn't mean they're not dodgy.

 

And also that topic isn't 'supporting' Bionicle's return. It's measuring up the facts and likelihoods of it. Which isn't really 'supporting'. At least, not in the 'JOIN MA CLUB!' way.

 

- Tilius

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If you support HF, yes it will increase the likelihood of Bionicle's return.

 

But if you don't support it and keep shoving your clubs into Lego's face...

 

...yeah, you can pretty much kiss any chance of success in bringing back Bionicle goodbye.

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You'll note that the topic doesn't address the when or how, which are really the most important goals of your little club, no?

My recent thoughts on how:

 

I and the 2001-05 comic artist think it started to encounter issues in 2006 when they tried to gear it more towards older kids who tend to have grown out of such things. More importantly, with changes in toy line management, each person in charge wants to put their own spin on it (weather or not that spin is good or not). For example, in 2006 when they tried to gear it towards an older crowd, they also changed the comic artist, not because the current artist wasn't doing a good job (I mean really, he was the best!), but because they wanted to change it. So, it's very probable that BIONICLE was suspended indefinately not because it wasn't selling well (AFAIK, it was still selling well) but because they wanted to change. Who knows, maybe some future management will consider BIONICLE's return their claim to fame.

 

 

 

If you support HF, yes it will increase the likelihood of Bionicle's return.

 

But if you don't support it and keep shoving your clubs into Lego's face...

 

...yeah, you can pretty much kiss any chance of success in bringing back Bionicle goodbye.

So absolute. You really think LEGO limits themselves that way?

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I don't see how Lego is limiting themselves by not supporting your clubs.

 

The only ones who are limiting themselves are you guys, because all you're doing is making petitions as if it were the only way to bring back Bionicle. There's other ways too y'know, like supporting HF.

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I don't see how Lego is limiting themselves by not supporting your clubs.

To be honest, I'm not sure where you drew the idea that LEGO is somehow limiting themselves by not supporting some clubs. I'm mean really, what does that even mean??? :wacko:

 

Let us recap:

If you support HF, yes it will increase the likelihood of Bionicle's return.

 

But if you don't support it and keep shoving your clubs into Lego's face...

 

...yeah, you can pretty much kiss any chance of success in bringing back Bionicle goodbye.

So absolute. You really think LEGO limits themselves that way?

You make these absolute statements that LEGO will do this if we do [this]. Not even LEGO has gone around making such definative proclamations. Unless you happen to be in complete control of The LEGO Group (unlikely ;) ) these are just educated guesses at best. I'm sure LEGO knows better than to make such absolute decisions as "If Hero Factory doesn't sell well, we'll never go back to BIONICLE.". Why? Because future interest can be difficult to predict and BIONICLE represented a multi-million dollar share of LEGO's profits.

 

As Greg Farshtey stated, continued interest in BIONICLE is necessary for LEGO to consider bringing BIONICLE back. As it so happens, clubs for BIONICLE's return, show continued interest.

 

 

The only ones who are limiting themselves are you guys, because all you're doing is making petitions as if it were the only way to bring back Bionicle. There's other ways too y'know, like supporting HF.

Curious that you feal this way. I, for one, do not believe that making petitions is the only way to bring back BIONICLE. I do, however, believe it is a way. A contributing factor. A way of showing continued interest.

 

BTW, not everyone agrees that supporting Hero Factory is the only possible way BIONICLE could come back. Let us look at another possible scinerio:

 

Hero Factory does not sell as well as BIONICLE (which may be the case right now unless anyone has some sales figures to tell us one way or the other). BIONICLE made more money. In a business, more money is more money. So what do you do? Keep going with something that isn't selling as well, even after a few years of trying to improve upon it, or go back to what was selling better?

 

I'm certainly not saying that supporting Hero Factory to a certain extent won't help bring back BIONICLE, you just might not want to assume that it's the only way.

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So, people are claiming that I think petitions are the only way Bionicle can come back? I actually am aware that there are other ways Bionicle can come back. Any ideas you have, you can freely send my way via PM, and I may mention it on the club website if I can get it up and running.

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I don't see how Lego is limiting themselves by not supporting your clubs.

To be honest, I'm not sure where you drew the idea that LEGO is somehow limiting themselves by not supporting some clubs. I'm mean really, what does that even mean??? :wacko:

No, that's what you said, so don't try making a masterpiece of flawed logic and blaming it on me. ;)

 

So let me ask you: To be honest, I'm not sure where you drew the idea that LEGO is somehow limiting themselves by not supporting some clubs. I mean really, what does that even mean??? :wacko:

 

Let us recap:

If you support HF, yes it will increase the likelihood of Bionicle's return.

 

But if you don't support it and keep shoving your clubs into Lego's face...

 

...yeah, you can pretty much kiss any chance of success in bringing back Bionicle goodbye.

So absolute. You really think LEGO limits themselves that way?

You make these absolute statements that LEGO will do this if we do [this]. Not even LEGO has gone around making such definative proclamations. Unless you happen to be in complete control of The LEGO Group (unlikely ;) ) these are just educated guesses at best. I'm sure LEGO knows better than to make such absolute decisions as "If Hero Factory doesn't sell well, we'll never go back to BIONICLE.". Why? Because future interest can be difficult to predict and BIONICLE represented a multi-million dollar share of LEGO's profits.

 

As Greg Farshtey stated, continued interest in BIONICLE is necessary for LEGO to consider bringing BIONICLE back. As it so happens, clubs for BIONICLE's return, show continued interest.

Again, no, you're just adding subtext into my words that don't exist. I never said that Lego will, do anything; I'm saying that it is very likely to happen. And tell me, what's wrong with educated guesses?

 

Additionally, read this press release. They mentioned high profits, yeah?

 

In response to your last part, let me provide a quote from Laughin'Man:

 

They're completely missing the point of the Greg quote they continually use - "If Star Trek fans had stopped talking about it, it never would've come back", to paraphrase - which is simply to keep discussion and interest in BIONICLE alive, not to go on some silly mission.

 

 

The only ones who are limiting themselves are you guys, because all you're doing is making petitions as if it were the only way to bring back Bionicle. There's other ways too y'know, like supporting HF.

Curious that you feal this way. I, for one, do not believe that making petitions is the only way to bring back BIONICLE. I do, however, believe it is a way. A contributing factor. A way of showing continued interest.

 

BTW, not everyone agrees that supporting Hero Factory is the only possible way BIONICLE could come back. Let us look at another possible scinerio:

 

Hero Factory does not sell as well as BIONICLE (which may be the case right now unless anyone has some sales figures to tell us one way or the other). BIONICLE made more money. In a business, more money is more money. So what do you do? Keep going with something that isn't selling as well, even after a few years of trying to improve upon it, or go back to what was selling better?

 

I'm certainly not saying that supporting Hero Factory to a certain extent won't help bring back BIONICLE, you just might not want to assume that it's the only way.

If you feel that it's not the only way, then why on Earth don't you use other ways?

 

BTW, I never said the supporting HF was the only way. Again, adding subtext that doesn't exist and shoving it into my mouth.

 

Do you have any evidence that HF isn't selling as well as Bionicle? Besides, it's only been around for what? Like a year?

 

So yeah, saying that HF doesn't sell as well as Bionicle (which I am still looking for proof) is an invalid argument.

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Remember, I'm watching every word of this debate. Please be careful not to make it a flame war or I'm getting scissors and RUNNING through this entry!

 

(and by that I mean its comments)

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So, people are claiming that I think petitions are the only way Bionicle can come back? I actually am aware that there are other ways Bionicle can come back. Any ideas you have, you can freely send my way via PM, and I may mention it on the club website if I can get it up and running.

One is supporting Hero Factory, but you've already set up your own mental barrier about that. Open-mindedness is the key.

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I don't see how Lego is limiting themselves by not supporting your clubs.

To be honest, I'm not sure where you drew the idea that LEGO is somehow limiting themselves by not supporting some clubs. I'm mean really, what does that even mean??? :wacko:

No, that's what you said, so don't try making a masterpiece of flawed logic and blaming it on me. ;)

 

So let me ask you: To be honest, I'm not sure where you drew the idea that LEGO is somehow limiting themselves by not supporting some clubs. I mean really, what does that even mean??? :wacko:

*Raises an eyebrow*

 

So let me get this straight. We both agree that whatever you think I said makes no sense (not even grammatically), but you still ask me what I meant by it? I really think you must have misunderstood something (despite my explanation).

 

 

Let us recap:

If you support HF, yes it will increase the likelihood of Bionicle's return.

 

 

But if you don't support it and keep shoving your clubs into Lego's face...

 

...yeah, you can pretty much kiss any chance of success in bringing back Bionicle goodbye.

So absolute. You really think LEGO limits themselves that way?

You make these absolute statements that LEGO will do this if we do [this]. Not even LEGO has gone around making such definative proclamations. Unless you happen to be in complete control of The LEGO Group (unlikely ;) ) these are just educated guesses at best. I'm sure LEGO knows better than to make such absolute decisions as "If Hero Factory doesn't sell well, we'll never go back to BIONICLE.". Why? Because future interest can be difficult to predict and BIONICLE represented a multi-million dollar share of LEGO's profits.

 

As Greg Farshtey stated, continued interest in BIONICLE is necessary for LEGO to consider bringing BIONICLE back. As it so happens, clubs for BIONICLE's return, show continued interest.

Again, no, you're just adding subtext into my words that don't exist. I never said that Lego will, do anything; I'm saying that it is very likely to happen.

"If you support HF, yes it will increase the likelihood of Bionicle's return."

 

How do you know it that supporting Hero Factory won't decrease the likelihood of BIONICLE's return? I would say that supporting Hero Factory "may" increase the likelihood of BIONICLE's return, but not even that is certain.

 

 

And tell me, what's wrong with educated guesses?

Nothing, given the right context. Why do you ask?

 

 

Additionally, read this press release. They mentioned high profits, yeah?

 

Not that I can see. Unless you mean this press release (which I have read before ;) ). As you can see, they don't meantion Hero Factory at all. Just that profits increased by 5.9% by the end of 2010. It vaguely attributes the increase in sales to LEGO City, LEGO DUPLO, LEGO Star Wars, the new board games, and LEGO Universe to a limited extent.

 

 

In response to your last part, let me provide a quote from Laughin'Man:

 

They're completely missing the point of the Greg quote they continually use - "If Star Trek fans had stopped talking about it, it never would've come back", to paraphrase - which is simply to keep discussion and interest in BIONICLE alive, not to go on some silly mission.

Not sure why we should take Laughin'Man's interpretation this. We have Greg's:

. . . What I am actually implying is that if there is no fan sentiment being expressed for it at all, it definitely WON'T come back. The only reason LEGO would have to bring it back down the line is if they feel there is an audience out there for it. If the fan community just dries up and blows away, then the prevailing notion will be that no one is interested enough to support its return.
But out of curiosity, what do you consider "some silly mission"?

 

 

The only ones who are limiting themselves are you guys, because all you're doing is making petitions as if it were the only way to bring back Bionicle. There's other ways too y'know, like supporting HF.

Curious that you feal this way. I, for one, do not believe that making petitions is the only way to bring back BIONICLE. I do, however, believe it is a way. A contributing factor. A way of showing continued interest.

 

BTW, not everyone agrees that supporting Hero Factory is the only possible way BIONICLE could come back. Let us look at another possible scinerio:

 

Hero Factory does not sell as well as BIONICLE (which may be the case right now unless anyone has some sales figures to tell us one way or the other). BIONICLE made more money. In a business, more money is more money. So what do you do? Keep going with something that isn't selling as well, even after a few years of trying to improve upon it, or go back to what was selling better?

 

I'm certainly not saying that supporting Hero Factory to a certain extent won't help bring back BIONICLE, you just might not want to assume that it's the only way.

If you feel that it's not the only way, then why on Earth don't you use other ways?

Do I and others not? How are you sure you're not stereotyping us? And what "other ways" do you advocate?

 

 

BTW, I never said the supporting HF was the only way. Again, adding subtext that doesn't exist and shoving it into my mouth.
See above. I would like to hear the others. :)

 

 

Do you have any evidence that HF isn't selling as well as Bionicle? Besides, it's only been around for what? Like a year?

 

So yeah, saying that HF doesn't sell as well as Bionicle (which I am still looking for proof) is an invalid argument.

Just that it seems to me there would have been a bigger increase in sales than 5.9% especially considering the success of 2 new market areas (board games and an MMOG).

 

But until LEGO tells us one way or the other (which they may never do, I sure wouldn't if I were LEGO), I don't see "Hero Factory doesn't sell as well as BIONICLE" or the inverse as a valid "argument". That's why I didn't use it as one. I said it's a possible scenario that, if true (which it may be), would suggest the exact opposite of the popular belief (at least among those who like Hero Factory) that Hero Factory's success may help bring back BIONICLE.

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*Raises an eyebrow*

 

So let me get this straight. We both agree that whatever you think I said makes no sense (not even grammatically), but you still ask me what I meant by it? I really think you must have misunderstood something (despite my explanation).

No, you didn't agree, you clearly said:

 

I'm not sure where you drew the idea

 

So it's obvious that you are blaming it on me. And what did I misunderstand? And what explanation?

 

Again, no, you're just adding subtext into my words that don't exist. I never said that Lego will, do anything; I'm saying that it is very likely to happen.

"If you support HF, yes it will increase the likelihood of Bionicle's return."

 

How do you know it that supporting Hero Factory won't decrease the likelihood of BIONICLE's return? I would say that supporting Hero Factory "may" increase the likelihood of BIONICLE's return, but not even that is certain.

Like I said before (and you too apparently), it's an educated guess. And why would supporting HF decrease the likelihood? Go read Bonesiii's topic on Bionicle's chance of coming back. ;)

 

 

And tell me, what's wrong with educated guesses?

Nothing, given the right context. Why do you ask?

Why do you think I asked?

 

Additionally, read this press release. They mentioned high profits, yeah?

 

Not that I can see. Unless you mean this press release (which I have read before ;) ). As you can see, they don't meantion Hero Factory at all. Just that profits increased by 5.9% by the end of 2010. It vaguely attributes the increase in sales to LEGO City, LEGO DUPLO, LEGO Star Wars, the new board games, and LEGO Universe to a limited extent.

In response to your last part, let me provide a quote from Laughin'Man:

 

They're completely missing the point of the Greg quote they continually use - "If Star Trek fans had stopped talking about it, it never would've come back", to paraphrase - which is simply to keep discussion and interest in BIONICLE alive, not to go on some silly mission.

Not sure why we should take Laughin'Man's interpretation this. We have Greg's:

. . . What I am actually implying is that if there is no fan sentiment being expressed for it at all, it definitely WON'T come back. The only reason LEGO would have to bring it back down the line is if they feel there is an audience out there for it. If the fan community just dries up and blows away, then the prevailing notion will be that no one is interested enough to support its return.
But out of curiosity, what do you consider "some silly mission"?

Not sure why we should take Greg's interpretation on this, so in response to that quote, I will provide a quote from Laughin'Man (yes it is the same quote):

 

They're completely missing the point of the Greg quote they continually use - "If Star Trek fans had stopped talking about it, it never would've come back", to paraphrase - which is simply to keep discussion and interest in BIONICLE alive, not to go on some silly mission.

 

By "some silly mission", you'd better ask LM himself, although I think he probably means that clubs and petitions won't help. The two words "showing interest" don't automatically translate into "making clubs and petitions." ;)

 

The only ones who are limiting themselves are you guys, because all you're doing is making petitions as if it were the only way to bring back Bionicle. There's other ways too y'know, like supporting HF.

Curious that you feal this way. I, for one, do not believe that making petitions is the only way to bring back BIONICLE. I do, however, believe it is a way. A contributing factor. A way of showing continued interest.

 

BTW, not everyone agrees that supporting Hero Factory is the only possible way BIONICLE could come back. Let us look at another possible scinerio:

 

Hero Factory does not sell as well as BIONICLE (which may be the case right now unless anyone has some sales figures to tell us one way or the other). BIONICLE made more money. In a business, more money is more money. So what do you do? Keep going with something that isn't selling as well, even after a few years of trying to improve upon it, or go back to what was selling better?

 

I'm certainly not saying that supporting Hero Factory to a certain extent won't help bring back BIONICLE, you just might not want to assume that it's the only way.

If you feel that it's not the only way, then why on Earth don't you use other ways?

Do I and others not? How are you sure you're not stereotyping us? And what "other ways" do you advocate?

How is that "stereotyping"?

 

Furthermore, when you ask a question you could use the teeniest, tiniest fraction of brainpower; the brainpower that tells you Dorek just answered your question ("what other ways do you advocate?") before your post.

 

 

Do you have any evidence that HF isn't selling as well as Bionicle? Besides, it's only been around for what? Like a year?

 

So yeah, saying that HF doesn't sell as well as Bionicle (which I am still looking for proof) is an invalid argument.

Just that it seems to me there would have been a bigger increase in sales than 5.9% especially considering the success of 2 new market areas (board games and an MMOG).

 

But until LEGO tells us one way or the other (which they may never do, I sure wouldn't if I were LEGO), I don't see "Hero Factory doesn't sell as well as BIONICLE" or the inverse as a valid "argument". That's why I didn't use it as one. I said it's a possible scenario that, if true (which it may be), would suggest the exact opposite of the popular belief (at least among those who like Hero Factory) that Hero Factory's success may help bring back BIONICLE.

I see, thanks for clarifying then. :)

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So, people are claiming that I think petitions are the only way Bionicle can come back? I actually am aware that there are other ways Bionicle can come back. Any ideas you have, you can freely send my way via PM, and I may mention it on the club website if I can get it up and running.

One is supporting Hero Factory, but you've already set up your own mental barrier about that. Open-mindedness is the key.

 

Contrary to your implication, disliking or hating HF is not being 'closed-minded'; I don't like HF because the sets are boring and so is the story, and I have every right to this opinion; it is no less 'closed-minded' then your fandom of HF. I'm not just going to go out an buy things I don't like because some people claim (with little to no evidence to back it up) that it may bring something I did like back. I have much better uses of my money then to buy things I don't like.

 

Also, all of you people saying 'Buy HF, it will bring BIONICLE back', perhaps if everyone did buy HF, Lego might say 'No point in bringing it back, HF is making much more money'. Money is the most important factor in business, and LEGO has no reason to bring back an old line when the new one is selling.

 

-TN05

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Also, all of you people saying 'Buy HF, it will bring BIONICLE back', perhaps if everyone did buy HF, Lego might say 'No point in bringing it back, HF is making much more money'. Money is the most important factor in business, and LEGO has no reason to bring back an old line when the new one is selling.

 

-TN05

You know what? If HF sells REALLY well, Lego could consider running both lines at once, for double the profit! Just as long as they know there's still interest in Bionicle.

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these comments are boring, I say just let the line die and be done with it

 

You REALLY don't want to say that in this club. People are gonna heckle you something dreadful now! :P

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(that's the point)

 

waitwaitwait my quotes are being used in this? sweet, now I feel special!

 

yeah by silly mission I was totally referring to all the clubs and petitions - like this one.

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Bonesiii didn't take into account one factor.

 

Me.

 

I will do anything to make sure that BIONICLE doesn't come back.

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Quite frankly, you're all being silly; bonesiii's topic didn't say "now storm Denmark!", nor did it say "you can now proceed to pretend it never existed and move onto another line, even if you hate it"; it said "bide your time, keep your interest alive, and it just might return".

 

I honestly wish bonesiii had never put fuel on this fire.

 

(cue MoO saying "ur just a quitter" and KtB saying "don't say bad things about the staff theyre the perfectest")

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Quite frankly, you're all being silly; bonesiii's topic didn't say "now storm Denmark!", nor did it say "you can now proceed to pretend it never existed and move onto another line, even if you hate it"; it said "bide your time, keep your interest alive, and it just might return".

 

I honestly wish bonesiii had never put fuel on this fire.

 

(cue MoO saying "ur just a quitter" and KtB saying "don't say bad things about the staff theyre the perfectest")

 

You're just a quitter!

 

lol jk :P

 

I actually agree with you. This club is one way we can show Lego that interest is indeed alive and well.

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