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Everybody Loves Teridax (his Name :p)


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Okay, this "everybody hates 'Teridax'" myth is getting out of hand. Easy mistake to make, but it's just a myth.

The vast majority of BZPers like "Teridax". Only a relative handful of vocal complainers dislike it. Which is their right -- but let's keep it in perspective. That is, let's actually put it in perspective in the first place, since we have already taken "it" far outside perspective. :P

What's going on here is what happens on BZP anytime something new comes out. First, remember two rules of human (online at least) nature:

1) The displeased are always more vocal.

2) It's impossible to please everybody.


The very same happened with Teridax, with some unfortunate twists. Those few who were dissappointed with the name (which was inevitable, no matter what it was!) posted emphatically about it, and most of those who liked it didn't bother to post. People saw the negative posts and assumed most BZPers "hated" (or disliked) the name.

Not true.

Here's the history summed up for those who didn't watch this as it unfolded, or have forgotten, etc.:

Greg's Poll

Now that we know about the BoM and were going to have other Makuta featured as sets and be in the story, beginning in mid 2007, Greg faced the issue of whether "Makuta's" name should be revealed. He wasn't "unilateral" about it -- he graciously gave us BZPers the choice by posting a poll.

Please note -- we are a tiny fraction of the fanbase. He had to no obligation to give us such a privelege. I know he does this often, but that's no excuse for us to get spoiled. ;)

Now, here's Greg's poll. Results?

Of 2092 votes (that's a TON!), 88% said yes. Only 7% said no, and 5% said "Don't care." That's a clear, clear, support for the name being revealed, by FAR.

Now, to be fair, many of the posts clarified that it would depend on the name. So let's not read too much into that, per se. Still, we have to remember that:

1) Greg let us decide, and we overwhelmingly said "yes." Even for those who voted no, we should be thankful that he did this for us. :)

2) But some didn't want it, and some would inevitably not like the name, regardless of what they voted there.

Revelation and Actual Reaction

So, "Teridax" is the name. Posts about this were all over; I'm not going to compile a link to every single post about it, don't worry. :P What's more important is what polls said, since those are more objective.

Skipping ahead a little, here's the first objective poll about it, that I posted a few months after the name had been revealed.

Of 427 votes, nearly 40% said "yes" -- they clearly like the name. Almost the same amount, 36% said "It's okay"; the weak yes. That totals to a whopping 76% positive for "Teridax". In an election, that would considered a landslide. ;)

Only 9% said "No", 7% "Not much", and 8% "Unsure/middle."

Even if we treat the unsure vote as an implied negative, that totals only about 24% negative! Even the weak yes overwhelms that at 36%! And 40% "yes" just plain blasts this myth out of the proverbial... antidermis pool.

Warped Reaction

Yet, before this, the poll that claimed the "don't dupe this topic" spot had unfair options. You could only vote "Best name ever" (the "strong yes" option, which most fair polls don't even bother with in favor of a simple "yes"), "Meh", or the strong no ("Fail").

The results? Well, frankly, even here the myth is unfounded. Out of 840 votes, only about 19% (20 if you wanna round up against the rounding rule :P) said "Fail," compared to 32% voting "Best Name Ever." More voted strongly for it than voted strongly against it.

So at the very least, "hate" is a huge exaggeration. (And "hate" is unhealthy hype and melodrama anyways, just like how people carelessly call all debates "flame wars," even if they were the opposite of flame.)

Now, this was unfair because while it had a weak no, it lacked a weak yes. If you liked the name, but didn't think it was the best name ever, you either had to null, or flip a coin between "Best name ever" or "Meh." As would be expected, many people voted "Meh."

I nulled, personally. And if you read the posts, most of those who voted "meh" aren't saying they dislike it, per se, but that it's not extreme yes or extreme no. So "somewhere near the middle" is how most people voted.

And that, along with the few strong negative posts in random places out there, started this ugly myth. My poll later revealed that in reality, that "somewhere" near the middle was actually almost totally on the positive side.

Now, In All Fairness

Now, there are some things we do have to take into consideration.

1) My fair poll came late (due to the unfair poll claiming the spot). Perhaps by that time, the name had grown on many people.

2) The amount of people voting nearly halved from Greg's poll to the unfair one, then again from that poll to mine. Perhaps many people who disliked it simply didn't view the reaction polls, skewing the results. Unless the exact same members all voted, we couldn't be 100% sure. (Still, my experience has been that after about 30 votes, most poll results tend not to change much even when the numbers of votes go way up, so around 30 or so votes would be a fair cross-section.)

3) However, the above may have actually skewed the first poll (the unfair options one) towards the negative. If you follow the replies in there, and compare the names you see posting against "Teridax", they are mostly the same people who voted against it being revealed in Greg's original poll.

Many people vote in Greg's polls that do not appear to vote in normal members' polls. These may tend to be less active, but strongly enthusiastic fans of Bionicle who are loving how it's going right now. Just a theory, but if so, both reaction polls, including mine, may be unrealistically skewed towards the negative. A phenomenon that has also seemed to come up every time something new comes out, even in polls.

4) True, there was at least one other option -- Greg didn't have to reveal the name. But let's face it, "we" chose for him to do so. (Meaning, most of us, of course.)

5) Being curious, I have launched another poll on whether people would have liked some other options, mainly if his name hadn't been revealed, would people be okay with that? Something Greg's original poll technically didn't ask, not that it is all that important -- as I say, I was just curious.

As of posting this, there are 65 votes, and it is mostly too close to call, so I won't overanalyze. Pretty consistent from the first few votes to now, though, has been "undecided", and roughly equal amounts of yes and no; no clear resoundingly obvious answer. Except that a somewhat clear majority are on the negative side of T having a different name.

Fanbase Vs. BZP

Finally, let's not forget that the vast majority Bionicle fans out there:

1) Aren't on BZPower. We're talking millions, compared to only thousands here.

2) Are newer and don't have the strong emotional attachment to "Makuta" that many of us do.

3) Do tend, apparently, to often have quite different tastes from BZPers, often opposite to the vocal minority, sometimes even opposite to our majority (ex: brown set color always polls high here, yet is the least popular among most fans).

So this still isn't definitive. But clearly, the myth is WAY blown out of proportions. :)

Ulterior Motives

Alright, alright, I admit it. I just wanna know TSO's name. :P

*ahem* Anyways... Let's stop giving life to this myth, okay? It just "ain't so, Joe." ^_^


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You know what though bones?

 

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It doesn't matter now since he's the only Makuta left alive XD

 

*spoilered just in case*

 

But yeah, I think I was one of the ones who didn't care either way. And Teridax does kinda have a catchy ring to it, if albeit redundant with the "x". =\

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What about you, bonesii? Do you like the name Teridax for our long loved Makuta?

 

-CF

It definately feels like it describes his personality, to me. So yeah. It sounds like a leader. I probably wouldn't have minded a different name or it not being revealed, though.

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I don't like it because I don't like how it sounds.

It strikes me as very Power Rangers-y, personally. Not like the dark, mystical evil I've always imagined him as.

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Wait.

 

Wait.

 

Wait-

 

You mean his real name isn't Terrence?

 

...

 

I don't keep up with the story like I used to... @_@

 

But in all honesty, I think I'd have to agree with "Aho's" spoiler'd statement. =\

 

 

 

 

-Ngakunui

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But when they say It's okay and meh, it really means whatever. I don't really like it but I'm not gonna argue with storyline. Whats done is done.

 

I personally liked it when he was the only Makuta. If the species name was Teridax and he was The Makuta, I would have been fine with that. Honestly x's, v's, and z's should be removed from Bionicle names. Well at least not in ever name. <<

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I personally liked it when he was the only Makuta. If the species name was Teridax and he was The Makuta, I would have been fine with that. Honestly x's, v's, and z's should be removed from Bionicle names. Well at least not in every name. <<

I agree with this one.

Both on him being called Makuta and too many x's, v's and z's. At least in big character names. I'll let it slide for Visorak and such.

Except this isn't about naming things....

BONES, care to give us your opinion on that in another entry?

 

-CF

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Both on him being called Makuta and too many x's, v's and z's. At least in big character names. I'll let it slide for Visorak and such.

Except this isn't about naming things....

BONES, care to give us your opinion on that in another entry?

Perhaps... I can sum it up right now though -- it just depends, basically. I wouldn't ban any letter outright, 'cuz for example if you want to make something sound alien, x's etc. can help. I wouldn't have minded "Teridahk" -- but since the "x" style was already being used in other Makuta, it seemed to make sense to use an x in his name. So I wouldn't have minded either way, in that case.

 

But going into more detail would make an interesting entry, I guess. :)

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Personally, I feel that "Teridahk" isn't as elegant... :notsure:

 

To me, the -ahk suffix makes it sound like, Bohrak, Rahkshi, Vahki, and the various generic enemies like that.

 

Teridax is no generic enemy.

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I'm pretty sure my "meh" vote was "I don't like the name compared to good old fashion 'Makuta,' but Lego's already made their decision, so I'm not going to cry myself to sleep over it or openly complain until I'm blue in the face."

 

Teridax isn't the greatest name ever, and I really hate that BS01 changed everything that used to refer to 'Makuta' into 'Teridax,' but it could've been something worst. Like "Foofypahk."

 

:music:

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Yeah, I'm one of those non-vocal people who don't like the name. I don't mind Xs and all that, since giving Makuta names that don't sound like Matoran names makes sense, but it would be nice if he wasn't named after a dinosaur. Or at least, if he was named after a better dinosaur.

But I can't think of a better name. Except for maybe Quetzalcoatlax, which on second thought would've been a totally awesome name.

So yeah. He'll always be Makuta to me (or The Makuta, if you need to differentiate him from all the other Makuta), but I won't start freaking out about how much I hate it.

 

I'm also kind of convinced that "The Shadowed One" actually is his name. And he just pretends that it's a title just to annoy everyone, since he likes to do that. Like, he comes from a culture where people are named actual words.

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I first thought Teridax was an okay name. Then I realized he couldn't have been given a super-cool-perfectly-fitting name, 'cause such thing doesn't exist. Now I think the "-x" fits him well.

 

Yeah, I'm one of those non-vocal people who don't like the name. I don't mind Xs and all that, since giving Makuta names that don't sound like Matoran names makes sense, but it would be nice if he wasn't named after a dinosaur. Or at least, if he was named after a better dinosaur.

But I can't think of a better name. Except for maybe Quetzalcoatlax, which on second thought would've been a totally awesome name.

So yeah. He'll always be Makuta to me (or The Makuta, if you need to differentiate him from all the other Makuta), but I won't start freaking out about how much I hate it.

 

I'm also kind of convinced that "The Shadowed One" actually is his name. And he just pretends that it's a title just to annoy everyone, since he likes to do that. Like, he comes from a culture where people are named actual words.

 

Er, GregF said that he had a name in mind for TSO, but the reaction to Teridax's name convinced him not to reveal it.

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You also have to consider that some people was expecting something really more 2001-ish (don't ask me what's that, that's how those fans call it), and that some people are always whining about everything when it's revealed and then like it(Toa Mhari/Phantoka/Mistika, anyone?). Except 2009...

 

BTW... Shame you didn't find a better image of our current Universe ruler! :P

 

EDIT: Aravagantos post reminded me of this: It's a shame to see how Greg rejected to reveal TSO name just because we were simply whining for a better name, and finally majority of people accepts it.

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it would be nice if he wasn't named after a dinosaur. Or at least, if he was named after a better dinosaur.

Well, his winged 2004 form seems to be his most popular form, or at least the one that people think of most as "Makuta's normal form." I see nothing wrong with, because of this, him being named after a Pteridactyl. I quite like the idea, actually. :)

 

But just for the record from my own perspective. :shrugs:

 

 

 

Er, GregF said that he had a name in mind for TSO, but the reaction to Teridax's name convinced him not to reveal it.

Pretty sure the illustrious Krahka was joking. :P

 

 

You also have to consider that some people was expecting something really more 2001-ish (don't ask me what's that, that's how those fans call it), and that some people are always whining about everything when it's revealed and then like it(Toa Mhari/Phantoka/Mistika, anyone?). Except 2009...

I highly doubt that, at least among the people that voted "yes, reveal it." Heck, among anybody who's been following Bionicle since then. :o The whole Maori debacle has essentially ended that trend, and now names typically use an English base, or sound quite different from the Maori style or English.

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BTW... Shame you didn't find a better image of our current Universe ruler! :P

Well, I wanted a more obscure image... just cuz. :P Plus, the brown look of it resembles, IMO, Mata Nui's outer appearance once he stands up. Of course, I color-modded it a bit to make it more so. :P

 

EDIT: Aravagantos post reminded me of this: It's a shame to see how Greg rejected to reveal TSO name just because we were simply whining for a better name, and finally majority of people accepts it.

Well, let's be clear -- the support isn't like "80% think it's the best name evah!11!" So that might have been Greg's reasoning. What I'm addressing here is the myth that most of us "hate" it -- a strong negative. But perhaps Greg was hoping more for a strong positive, which we did not have. It's still a huge majority who like it, but maybe Greg hoped for something more like love. :P Dunno; you'd have to ask him.

 

And even if not, I can understand how grating it must seem to him to give us treats over and over again, and we seem to just bite the proverbial hand that feeds us every time. If I was in his shoes, it would get old, even if it's only a relative handful of us. (Not saying we shouldn't have the right to be negative... I'm just saying, put yourself in Greg's shoes, and how would you feel? Keeping in mind that all names must be cleared by legal, etc.)

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Well at least we can now go back to calling him Makuta as he's the only one left. Then again I never started calling him Teridax :P

Wait if the majority of BZ is usually the opposite of Bionicle soesn't that mean that greg shouldn't have revealed the name and most people dont like it if you use the polls as statistics?

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Well at least we can now go back to calling him Makuta as he's the only one left. Then again I never started calling him Teridax :P

Wait if the majority of BZ is usually the opposite of Bionicle soesn't that mean that greg shouldn't have revealed the name and most people dont like it if you use the polls as statistics?

Lol. The majority is usually opposite when it comes to disliking new things, actually. :P But it's a fair point, I suppose. :shrugs:

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